[C320-list] Raising a Bosun's Chair
Jim & Kathy Painter
jpaint412 at msn.com
Mon Aug 21 18:49:49 PDT 2006
I can't count the number of trips I've made aloft on many different masts (C320 being the shortest) and I've always been satisfied to go up on a single halyard led back to its winch. The halyards are certainly more than strong enough (by many, many times I'd say) to lift a man. The real safety issue is to never ever leave the bitter end unattended as it comes off the winch.
Jim
#265
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1. Re: My fuel tank leaks! (jonvez at comcast.net<mailto:jonvez at comcast.net>)
2. Re: My fuel tank leaks! (amshd2 at aol.com<mailto:amshd2 at aol.com>)
3. Re: Gizmos to hold fridge lid's open (BAdams3491 at aol.com<mailto:BAdams3491 at aol.com>)
4. Re: Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject) (Peter Clancy)
5. Re: Gizmos to hold fridge lid's open (Jeff Church)
6. Re: Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
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7. Re: My fuel tank leaks! (bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net>)
8. Re: Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject) (Peter Clancy)
9. raising a bosun's chair (Koen Bennebroek)
10. Re: raising a bosun's chair (Chris Burti)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:03:11 +0000
From: jonvez at comcast.net<mailto:jonvez at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] My fuel tank leaks!
To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com>>
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Thanks Barry,
I will look for the pump mentioned. Unfortunately, it's not the connections as I have eliminated these. It is coming from the bottom of the tank. Unfortunately, Catalina was not very helpful in advice for removing the tank. They also think that the strap is 'after market'. I told them it came this way when I boat the boat new. They said they now use wood 'glassed' into the boat as a tie down?? I will try and get a tie down with no metal parts at West. I also asked whether I should put a sheet of neoprene down to protect the bottom of the tank--again not much help. Does anyone have any idea if this is a good idea or not and where one could purchase a sheet?
Looks like a mainsheet article brewing...
Thanks again for the help!
Regards,
Jon
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From: Barry Fahrer <bfahrer at lisurveyor.com<mailto:bfahrer at lisurveyor.com>>
>
> I purchased a fuel polisher at the Newport show last year and one of the
> recommendations was to use a pump to circulate the fuel through the polisher
> with an electric pump. This is the info from the company. "The part # for
> the Carter fuel pump is P-4389 and can be bought at Napa." The tank can be
> accessed via the Port lazerette. I think the tank can be removed, although
> I have never done it, but I have spent a bit of time working on the fuel
> polisher. You would have to remove the shelf in the starboard lazerette.
> The tank is held in place with a strap. As I remember there are 4
> connections to the tank. The fuel fill inlet, the inlet vent, the engine
> fuel feed, and the engine fuel return. Perhaps one of theese connections is
> leaking?
> Good luck.
> BARRY --... ...--
> TRANSIT C-320 # 126
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:40:09 -0400
From: amshd2 at aol.com<mailto:amshd2 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] My fuel tank leaks!
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I would contact a fuel service spilling the stuff can cause all kind of problems with Marina Mangement and the local EPA.
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Sent: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] My fuel tank leaks!
Thanks Pat,
If it is plastic (poly), then you have a superior material for the tank
according to Calder and it should last the life of the boat--Thanks for the
suggestion on the standard impeller pump--
Regards,
Jon Vez
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From: Pat Moriarty <patm at psiurethanes.com<mailto:patm at psiurethanes.com>>
> I used a standard rubber impeller pump 12VDC to transfer diesel from
> my truck to my tractor for a few years and had no problems. You may
> also find a fuel service like a polishing service or such to remove
> it. Good luck and by the way my tank is black and I thought plastic
> and looks almost impossible to remove.
>
> Pat
>
> #130
>
> At 07:32 AM 8/21/2006, you wrote:
> >Well I confirmed the worst case scenario this weekend. My fuel tank
> >is indeed leaking somewhere on the bottom. I will be calling
> >Catalina this morning to get a new tank, so any advice on removing
> >the tank and removing the fuel in the tank would be greatly
> >appreciated. Hopefully I can get one quickly enough to not end the
> >rest of my season :(
> >I took a look at what Nigel Calder had to say about fuel tanks and
> >was quite surprised to read that a study conducted by the ABYC
> >revealed a tank life for aluminum to be between 7.6 years and 17
> >years! Production and quality control seem to make the difference in
> >the life of the tanks. My boat is a '99, so this seems really premature.
> >
> >Does anyone have a suggestion on the type of transfer pump I can use
> >(siphoning is not an option).? Someone at the marina mentioned that
> >there is pump that can be attached to a drill and is okay to use
> >with diesel, but haven't been able to find one...Thanks in advance
> >for any advice!
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Jon Vez
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:08:50 EDT
From: BAdams3491 at aol.com<mailto:BAdams3491 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Gizmos to hold fridge lid's open
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Small hook on the bulk head, small line, small S hook to place on the lift
ring.
Bert
At Ease
#442
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:35:43 -0400
From: "Peter Clancy" <SAILORPETE at msn.com<mailto:SAILORPETE at msn.com>>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
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Bruce ...... I usually do the wet sanding the day following the last coat of Trinidad SR and spend maybe an hour at the most going over the hull lightly. Don't want to rub off too much of that expensive paint!
Pete Clancy
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Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
Peter,
How long do you let the paint cure before you sand with 220?
Thanks,
Bruce
Somerset #671 So Cal
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[mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Peter Clancy
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 7:02 PM
To: C320-List
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
Petit Trinidad SR is the bottom paint of choice here in South Florida with
our extreme fouling conditions and warm waters. I've used Trinidad and
Trinidad SR several times and usually get about two years between bottom
jobs. I apply two coats to the bottom and a third coat at the water line
and leading edges of the bow, rudder and keel. I've consistently used
between 1 1/2 to 2 gallons. West Marine gets $ 220/gal but I buy it at the
local boatyard for $ 185/gal. Since we also race, I go lightly over the
newly painted bottom with 220 grit wet sandpaper. This probably nets me a
whole 1/100 of a knot but I often see the really serious local racers doing
this to their boats. Good luck!
Peter Clancy
AROBAN C320 #222
Miami, FL
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To: 'C320-List'<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320org<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320org>>>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
Gary,
We are in Slip J25 on the Island side. I didn't get a quote from Dana
Point
Ship Yard but I know We$T Marine get's $220 per gallon and as near as I
can
tell it takes about two gallons per coat.
We are members of DWYC; it would be great if we could meet up for dinner
and/or drinks when we get back to CA, 949-289-8400.
Best,
Bruce
Somerset #671 SoCal
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[mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Gary Malcolmson
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 11:19 AM
To: C320-List
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
Hello Bruce,
We keep our boat in Dana Point also. Our dealer (in Marina del Rey) put
on Pettit Trinidad when our boat was new, back in Nov-2002. We're still
on the original paint but my guess is were getting close to needing
new. I'm not sure if they used the Trinidad 'SR' or some other version;
sorry I don't have that info. Have you considered waiting to paint
until the boat is here? Something comes to mind in that you want to
splash the boat without leaving the paint exposed to air too long. From
what I'm hearing from my dock neighbors, a bottom paint job will run
about $1000 at Dana.
Have you got a slip yet? If you need any suggestions for service
providers (diver, riggers, canvas, etc) just drop me a note.
Good Luck on your move and hope to hear from you once you're here.
PS, I have a great photo of Dana Point from the air with Catalina Island
in the background. If you'd like a digital copy, let me know and I'll
email it to you directly.
Regards,
Gary Malcolmson
C310 #230 "Rhythm"
bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net>>> wrote:
> Before we ship Somerset (hull 671) from Florida to her new home in Dana
Point, CA we will be giving her a new coat of bottom paint. She currently
is wearing Pettit Trinidad SR. Any recommendations would be much
appreciated? We race a few times a year but like to sail fast even when
cruising and have the bottom cleaned by a diver monthly.
> Thanks,
> Bruce and Diane
> Soon to be: Somerset #671 Dana Point, CA
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:15:53 -0500
From: "Jeff Church" <jjemail at comcast.net<mailto:jjemail at comcast.net>>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Gizmos to hold fridge lid's open
To: "C320-List" <c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com>>
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Maybe someone can pass this issue along to Mr. Douglas at the regatta.
As to my solution for the starboard lid, I used a wardrobe hook on the
bulkhead that catches the lift ring.
http://www.catalina320.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=IDLEWILD-1998-545-JeffC&id=IMG_0549a<http://www.catalina320.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=IDLEWILD-1998-545-JeffC&id=IMG_0549a>
For the port side lid I attached a lanyard and small carabineer to one of
the jib track bolts, and an eye strap to the inside of the reefer lid.
Hinges are in the works.
JeffC
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To: <c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com>>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Gizmos to hold fridge lid's open
> Small hook on the bulk head, small line, small S hook to place on the lift
> ring.
>
> Bert
> At Ease
> #442
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:19:04 +0000
From: bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
To: "C320-List" <c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com>>
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Peter,
Thanks, just put last coat on leading edges, will sand wit 220 wet tomorrow b4 truck comes.
Now I'm tring to use verbal persuasion to get Somerset to let go of here very worn out cutlass bearing...arg.
Bruce
Somerset #671 So Cal
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Peter Clancy" <SAILORPETE at msn.com<mailto:SAILORPETE at msn.com>>
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:35:43
To:"C320-List" <c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com>>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
Bruce ...... I usually do the wet sanding the day following the last coat of Trinidad SR and spend maybe an hour at the most going over the hull lightly. Don't want to rub off too much of that expensive paint!
Pete Clancy
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Heyman<mailto:BruceHeyman at cox.net<mailto:BruceHeyman at cox.net>>
To: 'C320-List'<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320org>>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
Peter,
How long do you let the paint cure before you sand with 220?
Thanks,
Bruce
Somerset #671 So Cal
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From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.org<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.org>>
[mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Peter Clancy
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 7:02 PM
To: C320-List
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
Petit Trinidad SR is the bottom paint of choice here in South Florida with
our extreme fouling conditions and warm waters. I've used Trinidad and
Trinidad SR several times and usually get about two years between bottom
jobs. I apply two coats to the bottom and a third coat at the water line
and leading edges of the bow, rudder and keel. I've consistently used
between 1 1/2 to 2 gallons. West Marine gets $ 220/gal but I buy it at the
local boatyard for $ 185/gal. Since we also race, I go lightly over the
newly painted bottom with 220 grit wet sandpaper. This probably nets me a
whole 1/100 of a knot but I often see the really serious local racers doing
this to their boats. Good luck!
Peter Clancy
AROBAN C320 #222
Miami, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce Heyman<mailto:BruceHeyman at cox.net<mailto:BruceHeyman at cox.net<mailto:BruceHeyman at cox.net<mailto:BruceHeyman at cox.net>>>
To: 'C320-List'<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320org<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320org>>>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
Gary,
We are in Slip J25 on the Island side. I didn't get a quote from Dana
Point
Ship Yard but I know We$T Marine get's $220 per gallon and as near as I
can
tell it takes about two gallons per coat.
We are members of DWYC; it would be great if we could meet up for dinner
and/or drinks when we get back to CA, 949-289-8400.
Best,
Bruce
Somerset #671 SoCal
-----Original Message-----
From:
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[mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Gary Malcolmson
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 11:19 AM
To: C320-List
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
Hello Bruce,
We keep our boat in Dana Point also. Our dealer (in Marina del Rey) put
on Pettit Trinidad when our boat was new, back in Nov-2002. We're still
on the original paint but my guess is were getting close to needing
new. I'm not sure if they used the Trinidad 'SR' or some other version;
sorry I don't have that info. Have you considered waiting to paint
until the boat is here? Something comes to mind in that you want to
splash the boat without leaving the paint exposed to air too long. From
what I'm hearing from my dock neighbors, a bottom paint job will run
about $1000 at Dana.
Have you got a slip yet? If you need any suggestions for service
providers (diver, riggers, canvas, etc) just drop me a note.
Good Luck on your move and hope to hear from you once you're here.
PS, I have a great photo of Dana Point from the air with Catalina Island
in the background. If you'd like a digital copy, let me know and I'll
email it to you directly.
Regards,
Gary Malcolmson
C310 #230 "Rhythm"
bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net>>> wrote:
> Before we ship Somerset (hull 671) from Florida to her new home in Dana
Point, CA we will be giving her a new coat of bottom paint. She currently
is wearing Pettit Trinidad SR. Any recommendations would be much
appreciated? We race a few times a year but like to sail fast even when
cruising and have the bottom cleaned by a diver monthly.
> Thanks,
> Bruce and Diane
> Soon to be: Somerset #671 Dana Point, CA
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 18:25:37 +0000
From: bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] My fuel tank leaks!
To: "C320-List" <c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com>>
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Jon,
I believe you are on the right track to remove the tank. I've heard that you can take it to an automotive radiator repair place and they will steam clean all the crud out of the inside. Then you can see what you have. Disimiar metal on an aluminum tank is a big no-no. Also you don't want the tank siting on anything that will hold moisture against the tank or you will get lots of pin whole leaks.
Never done but came close on the old boat, seems aluminuim tanks usually start to go after 20-30 years?
Bruce
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-----Original Message-----
From: jonvez at comcast.net<mailto:jonvez at comcast.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 16:03:11
To:C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com>>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] My fuel tank leaks!
Thanks Barry,
I will look for the pump mentioned. Unfortunately, it's not the connections as I have eliminated these. It is coming from the bottom of the tank. Unfortunately, Catalina was not very helpful in advice for removing the tank. They also think that the strap is 'after market'. I told them it came this way when I boat the boat new. They said they now use wood 'glassed' into the boat as a tie down?? I will try and get a tie down with no metal parts at West. I also asked whether I should put a sheet of neoprene down to protect the bottom of the tank--again not much help. Does anyone have any idea if this is a good idea or not and where one could purchase a sheet?
Looks like a mainsheet article brewing...
Thanks again for the help!
Regards,
Jon
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Barry Fahrer <bfahrer at lisurveyor.com<mailto:bfahrer at lisurveyor.com>>
>
> I purchased a fuel polisher at the Newport show last year and one of the
> recommendations was to use a pump to circulate the fuel through the polisher
> with an electric pump. This is the info from the company. "The part # for
> the Carter fuel pump is P-4389 and can be bought at Napa." The tank can be
> accessed via the Port lazerette. I think the tank can be removed, although
> I have never done it, but I have spent a bit of time working on the fuel
> polisher. You would have to remove the shelf in the starboard lazerette.
> The tank is held in place with a strap. As I remember there are 4
> connections to the tank. The fuel fill inlet, the inlet vent, the engine
> fuel feed, and the engine fuel return. Perhaps one of theese connections is
> leaking?
> Good luck.
> BARRY --... ...--
> TRANSIT C-320 # 126
>
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:30:41 -0400
From: "Peter Clancy" <SAILORPETE at msn.com<mailto:SAILORPETE at msn.com>>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
To: <bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net>>, "C320-List" <c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com>>
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Bruce ..... I just had my cutlass bearing replaced while the boat is out of the water for a new bottom job. If there's play, you may want to have it done now since you may not otherwise need to haul again for a couple of years. My yard used a neat hydraulic device that did not require removal of the prop shaft.
Pete Clancy
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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
Peter,
Thanks, just put last coat on leading edges, will sand wit 220 wet tomorrow b4 truck comes.
Now I'm tring to use verbal persuasion to get Somerset to let go of here very worn out cutlass bearing...arg.
Bruce
Somerset #671 So Cal
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Peter Clancy" <SAILORPETE at msn.com<mailto:SAILORPETE at msn.com<mailto:SAILORPETE at msn.com<mailto:SAILORPETE at msn.com>>>
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:35:43
To:"C320-List" <c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com>>>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
Bruce ...... I usually do the wet sanding the day following the last coat of Trinidad SR and spend maybe an hour at the most going over the hull lightly. Don't want to rub off too much of that expensive paint!
Pete Clancy
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From: Bruce Heyman<mailto:BruceHeyman at cox.net<mailto:BruceHeyman at cox.net<mailto:BruceHeyman at cox.net<mailto:BruceHeyman at cox.net>>>
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Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
Peter,
How long do you let the paint cure before you sand with 220?
Thanks,
Bruce
Somerset #671 So Cal
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[mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Peter Clancy
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 7:02 PM
To: C320-List
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
Petit Trinidad SR is the bottom paint of choice here in South Florida with
our extreme fouling conditions and warm waters. I've used Trinidad and
Trinidad SR several times and usually get about two years between bottom
jobs. I apply two coats to the bottom and a third coat at the water line
and leading edges of the bow, rudder and keel. I've consistently used
between 1 1/2 to 2 gallons. West Marine gets $ 220/gal but I buy it at the
local boatyard for $ 185/gal. Since we also race, I go lightly over the
newly painted bottom with 220 grit wet sandpaper. This probably nets me a
whole 1/100 of a knot but I often see the really serious local racers doing
this to their boats. Good luck!
Peter Clancy
AROBAN C320 #222
Miami, FL
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Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
Gary,
We are in Slip J25 on the Island side. I didn't get a quote from Dana
Point
Ship Yard but I know We$T Marine get's $220 per gallon and as near as I
can
tell it takes about two gallons per coat.
We are members of DWYC; it would be great if we could meet up for dinner
and/or drinks when we get back to CA, 949-289-8400.
Best,
Bruce
Somerset #671 SoCal
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From:
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[mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Gary Malcolmson
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 11:19 AM
To: C320-List
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
Hello Bruce,
We keep our boat in Dana Point also. Our dealer (in Marina del Rey) put
on Pettit Trinidad when our boat was new, back in Nov-2002. We're still
on the original paint but my guess is were getting close to needing
new. I'm not sure if they used the Trinidad 'SR' or some other version;
sorry I don't have that info. Have you considered waiting to paint
until the boat is here? Something comes to mind in that you want to
splash the boat without leaving the paint exposed to air too long. From
what I'm hearing from my dock neighbors, a bottom paint job will run
about $1000 at Dana.
Have you got a slip yet? If you need any suggestions for service
providers (diver, riggers, canvas, etc) just drop me a note.
Good Luck on your move and hope to hear from you once you're here.
PS, I have a great photo of Dana Point from the air with Catalina Island
in the background. If you'd like a digital copy, let me know and I'll
email it to you directly.
Regards,
Gary Malcolmson
C310 #230 "Rhythm"
bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net>>>> wrote:
> Before we ship Somerset (hull 671) from Florida to her new home in Dana
Point, CA we will be giving her a new coat of bottom paint. She currently
is wearing Pettit Trinidad SR. Any recommendations would be much
appreciated? We race a few times a year but like to sail fast even when
cruising and have the bottom cleaned by a diver monthly.
> Thanks,
> Bruce and Diane
> Soon to be: Somerset #671 Dana Point, CA
>
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:17:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Koen Bennebroek <vergaar2004-catalina at yahoo.com<mailto:vergaar2004-catalina at yahoo.com>>
Subject: [C320-list] raising a bosun's chair
To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com>>
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I finally got a bulb for our deck light half-way up the mast. Now I just need to get it in. WM had a pocket bosun's chair on sale, so I ordered it. Now the question becomes, how to get it up there? We have a spinaker halyard that we can backup with the main halyard for safety (or vice-versa). Can we use the anchor windlass for this? Or are there other preferred methods, like routing it over the 2 jib winches? Is using 2 halyards enough safety or are there other safety precautions to think of?
Any advice is highly appreciated!
Thanks, Koen
(BigCat, #224, 1995)
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:38:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Burti <cburti at yahoo.com<mailto:cburti at yahoo.com>>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] raising a bosun's chair
To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com>>
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A safety device is of utmost priority. Tailing a
second halyard is a real hassle and easy to mess up.
I prefer securing the second halyard at both ends and
tying an ascending knot to it and hooking a climbing
rated carbiner to the hoisting rings of the bosun's
chair.
My preference is the Prusik loop, but there are a
couple of others as well on this site.
http://www.climbing.ie/knotstop.html<http://www.climbing.ie/knotstop.html>
Take up enough slack to practice releasing the knot
before you get too high off your toes. You want to be
able to control your decent and know you can do it
befor ascending.
With a little practice, you can tie a pair of these,
one for your chair and one for your feet and climb the
mast fairly easily without assistance if you are in a
bind.
cb
--- Koen Bennebroek <vergaar2004-catalina at yahoo.com<mailto:vergaar2004-catalina at yahoo.com>>
wrote:
> I finally got a bulb for our deck light half-way up
> the mast. Now I just need to get it in. WM had a
> pocket bosun's chair on sale, so I ordered it. Now
> the question becomes, how to get it up there? We
> have a spinaker halyard that we can backup with the
> main halyard for safety (or vice-versa). Can we use
> the anchor windlass for this? Or are there other
> preferred methods, like routing it over the 2 jib
> winches? Is using 2 halyards enough safety or are
> there other safety precautions to think of?
>
> Any advice is highly appreciated!
>
> Thanks, Koen
> (BigCat, #224, 1995)
>
Chris Burti
"Commitment"
Catalina 320, #867,
Farmville, NC
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 21:11:49 +0000
From: bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
To: "Peter Clancy" <SAILORPETE at msn.com<mailto:SAILORPETE at msn.com>>, "C320-List"
<c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com>>
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Pete,
Hydrolic would have been great. We got it out with a screw press and a very large malet. Looks like it was worn out due to misalignment. The yard foreman said he sees this all the time with Yamars. He said the mounts are too soft and when you get up to hull speed there is often a set, some times so bad the shaft is hitting the log. Apparently they now offer firmer engine mounts in addition to the soft ones that come with our boats. I would not have expected it to go after only 1000 hours. I'm hoping the freezer trick gets it installed easilly tomorow morning befor truck gets here.
Bruce
Somerset 671 So Cal
Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless
-----Original Message-----
From: "Peter Clancy" <SAILORPETE at msn.com<mailto:SAILORPETE at msn.com>>
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:30:41
To:<bruceheyman at cox.net>,"C320-List<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net>,"C320-List>" <c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com>>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
Bruce ..... I just had my cutlass bearing replaced while the boat is out of the water for a new bottom job. If there's play, you may want to have it done now?since you may not otherwise need to haul again for a couple of years. My yard used a neat hydraulic device that did not require removal of the prop shaft.
?
Pete Clancy
----- Original Message -----
From: bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net>: <mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net>>
To: C320-List: <mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com>>
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
Peter,
Thanks, just put last coat on leading edges, will sand wit 220 wet tomorrow b4 truck comes.
Now I'm tring to use verbal persuasion to get Somerset to let go of here very worn out cutlass bearing...arg.
Bruce
Somerset #671 So Cal
Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless?
-----Original Message-----
From: "Peter Clancy" <SAILORPETE at msn.com<mailto:SAILORPETE at msn.com>: <mailto:SAILORPETE at msn.com<mailto:SAILORPETE at msn.com>> >
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:35:43
To:"C320-List" <c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com>: <mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com>> >
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
Bruce ...... I usually do the wet sanding the day following the last coat of Trinidad SR and spend maybe an hour at the most going over the hull lightly. Don't want to rub off too much of that expensive paint!
Pete Clancy
? ----- Original Message -----
? From: Bruce Heyman<mailto:BruceHeyman at cox.net<mailto:BruceHeyman at cox.net>: <mailto:BruceHeyman at cox.net<mailto:BruceHeyman at cox.net>> >
? To: 'C320-List'<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320org>: <mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com>> >
? Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:41 PM
? Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
? Peter,
? How long do you let the paint cure before you sand with 220?
? Thanks,
? Bruce
? Somerset #671 So Cal
? -----Original Message-----
? From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320org<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com>: <mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.org<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com>> >
? [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Peter Clancy
? Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 7:02 PM
? To: C320-List
? Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
? Petit Trinidad SR is the bottom paint of choice here in South Florida with
? our extreme fouling conditions and warm waters. I've used Trinidad and
? Trinidad SR several times and usually get about two years between bottom
? jobs.? I apply two coats to the bottom and a third coat at the water line
? and leading edges of the bow, rudder and keel. I've consistently used
? between 1 1/2 to 2 gallons. West Marine gets $ 220/gal but I buy it at the
? local boatyard for $ 185/gal. Since we also race, I go lightly over the
? newly painted? bottom with 220 grit wet sandpaper. This probably nets me a
? whole 1/100 of a knot but I often see the really serious local racers doing
? this to their boats. Good luck!
? Peter Clancy
? AROBAN? C320? #222
? Miami, FL
? ----- Original Message -----
??? From: Bruce Heyman<mailto:BruceHeyman at cox.net<mailto:BruceHeyman at cox.net<mailto:BruceHeyman at cox.net<mailto:BruceHeyman at cox.net>: <mailto:BruceHeyman at cox.net<mailto:BruceHeyman at cox.net<mailto:BruceHeyman at cox.net<mailto:BruceHeyman at cox.net>> >>
??? To: 'C320-List'<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320org<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320org>: <mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320org<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list at catalina320org>> >>
??? Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 11:45 PM
??? Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
??? Gary,
??? We are in Slip J25 on the Island side.? I didn't get a quote from Dana
? Point
??? Ship Yard but I know We$T Marine get's $220 per gallon and as near as I
? can
??? tell it takes about two gallons per coat.
??? We are members of DWYC; it would be great if we could meet up for dinner
??? and/or drinks when we get back to CA, 949-289-8400.
??? Best,
??? Bruce
??? Somerset #671 SoCal
??? -----Original Message-----
??? From:
? c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320org<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.org<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com>: <mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.org<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com>> >>
??? [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Gary Malcolmson
??? Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 11:19 AM
??? To: C320-List
??? Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bottom Paint for Dana Point (was: no subject)
??? Hello Bruce,
??? We keep our boat in Dana Point also.? Our dealer (in Marina del Rey) put
??? on Pettit Trinidad when our boat was new, back in Nov-2002.? We're still
??? on the original paint but my guess is were getting close to needing
??? new.? I'm not sure if they used the Trinidad 'SR' or some other version;
??? sorry I don't have that info.? Have you considered waiting to paint
??? until the boat is here?? Something comes to mind in that you want to
??? splash the boat without leaving the paint exposed to air too long.? From
??? what I'm hearing from my dock neighbors, a bottom paint job will run
??? about $1000 at Dana.
??? Have you got a slip yet?? If you need any suggestions for service
??? providers (diver, riggers, canvas, etc) just drop me a note.
??? Good Luck on your move and hope to hear from you once you're here.
??? PS, I have a great photo of Dana Point from the air with Catalina Island
??? in the background.? If you'd like a digital copy, let me know and I'll
??? email it to you directly.
??? Regards,
??? Gary Malcolmson
??? C310 #230 "Rhythm"
??? bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net>: <mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net<mailto:bruceheyman at cox.net>> >> wrote:
??? > Before we ship Somerset (hull 671) from Florida to her new home in Dana
??? Point, CA we will be giving her a new coat of bottom paint.? She currently
??? is wearing Pettit Trinidad SR.? Any recommendations would be much
??? appreciated?? We race a few times a year but like to sail fast even when
??? cruising and have the bottom cleaned by a diver monthly.
??? > Thanks,
??? > Bruce and Diane
??? > Soon to be: Somerset #671 Dana Point, CA
??? >
??? >
??? >??
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