[C320-list] Re: C320-List Digest, Vol 4, Issue 47
Ralph Winkler
capt-wink at aepro.com
Sat Jan 14 12:36:13 PST 2006
If, I were buying a new sailboat today I go with the Raymarine hydraulic or
under deck system.
Two years ago when I did the instrument upgrade the techy guy at Raymarine
recommneded that I stick with my original wheel drive system but upgrade to
the newer brain control and he offered me a factory reconditioned "like new"
unit with a 1 year warrenty. Big improvement over the old original brain
system.
Ralph
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> From: "T. Scott Thompson" <sthompson at toad.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Autohelm
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> I have a vague recollection that when I took the drive unit for my
> ST4000+ in for repairs a while ago the technician told me that the older
> units had better gears (metal vs. plastic), or maybe it was the other
> way around. I don't remember for sure. But it's worth finding out
> whether the old units are better if your old drive unit is still
> functional.
>
> I'm not completely happy with the ST4000+ that came with my boat from
> the previous owner. It does not steer a straight line under power with
> no wind or waves, which seems like it should be a baseline requirement.
> (Before someone advises me to recalibrate or change the settings, I've
> already tried that many times.) The drive unit is not especially beefy
> and Raymarine does not provide adequate instructions for maintenance or
> servicing in my view. And when my drive unit broke it temporarily
> disabled the entire steering system by locking up the wheel. Repairs
> are VERY expensive considering that most of the parts are plastic,
> especially when compared to the replacement cost of the unit. If I have
> any more trouble with mine I'm going to look seriously at a below deck
> unit. The technology has advanced considerably since these things were
> designed, and the more advanced Raymarine units should offer all of the
> remote control options and other bells and whistles of the ST4000+ plus
> some. The main advantage of this unit seems to be initial cost and
> relatively easy installation. If they now tell people that you need a
> rudder reference unit to get good performance then that advantage is
> diminished.
>
> Steven Magennis wrote:
>
>>The ST4000+ works OK on the C-320 (after you change the settings), but
>>it's not perfect. The alternative fairly inexpensive pilot (can't
>>remember the name, but it doesn't fit on the older C-320s such as yours
>>with the old style instrument pod) doesn't talk directly to the
>>remainder of your RayNav instruments (as the ST4000+ does using
>>SeaTalk).
>>
>>Mine was installed new on the boat as it came from Catalina three
>>seasons ago and didn't come with the rudder position indicator. Reports
>>are that this may improve the control under power, but I couldn't be
>>happier with the control that I have using the windicator or the GPS
>>(through NMEA from my Garmin).
>>
>>The ST4000+ is a low end autopilot for our boats, but for most
>>conditions, it's adequate. If I were to do serious cruising / ocean
>>voyaging, I would get a higher end unit such as the B&G mentioned in a
>>previous post.
>>
>>You should be able to talk to RayNav at Strictly Sail, and they may be
>>able to recommend exactly what you need (possibly short of an entire
>>autopilot (maybe the 4000+head will drive the 4000 drive wheel and be
>>able to use the fluxgate compass too)) Gosh, I do ramble at times.
>>
>>I'll be down at Strictly Sail on Saturday, so perhaps we'll run into
>>each other at teh Catalina booth
>>
>>Steve
>>Alchemist #909
>>
>>--- Sweetwater Yacht Charters <sail at sweetwater-charters.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Just to bring this back up, because I don't think I asked the
>>>question
>>>correctly. Am I right in assuming that most are happy with the
>>>ST4000+ on
>>>their C320? OR, does anyone have a different unit which they think is
>>>better? I will probably be stopping by Strictly Sail in Chicago next
>>>month
>>>so I might be able to get a deal on something.
>>>
>>>-Joan
>>> C320 #90 Persistence
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "T. Scott Thompson" <sthompson at toad.net>
>>>To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>; "Steven Magennis"
>>><magenns at yahoo.com>
>>>Cc: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:58 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [C320-list] Autohelm
>>>
>>>
>>>The settings quoted below are for the ST4000+, which is NOT the unit
>>>in
>>>question. In fact, if I read the messages correctly, Joan is asking
>>>whether she should upgrade to the ST4000+.
>>>
>>>Steve: What makes you say that the wind instrument just provides
>>>adjustments to the fluxgate input? My impression has been that the
>>>fluxgate is no longer used to steer the boat at all when sailing to
>>>the
>>>wind instrument. The wind mode gives by far the best performance, at
>>>least for sailing upwind, I've found.
>>>
>>>Joan: I've found that my boat with ST4000+ snakes about the same
>>>when
>>>using the GPS waypoint mode as when using a compass heading mode.
>>>May
>>>be the function of one GPS vs. another, but I can't think of why the
>>>GPS would help much since according to the docs, the Autohelm does
>>>not
>>>use the GPS heading information at all. (It appears to use the cross
>>>track error data and the bearing to waypoint data to determine which
>>>course to steer in GPS mode. But my experience is that it will
>>>tolerate quite a bit of cross track error before it makes a
>>>correction.)
>>>
>>>I've read here that Raymarine has recommended the rudder sensor to
>>>some
>>>owners, but have never heard anyone report that they noticed much of
>>>an
>>>improvement from installing one. I'd love to be proven wrong,
>>>however.
>>>
>>>On the other hand, installing one of the newer Raymarine units that
>>>includes a gyro unit to improve the heading response performance of
>>>hte
>>>compass should make a lot of difference. I don't think you can add
>>>this to the ST4000 or ST4000+, however.
>>>
>>>------------------
>>>T. Scott Thompson
>>>sthompson at toad.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Quoting Steven Magennis <magenns at yahoo.com>:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>This has been discussed a lot on this site. From Jan, 2005:
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: Allan Field
>>>>To: c320
>>>>Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:44 PM
>>>>Subject: RE: [c320] User Setup for Raymarine ST4000 Plus Wheel
>>>>Autopilot
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>An important setting is drive type = 2.
>>>>
>>>> Calibration Lock OFF
>>>> Pilot Type 4000whl
>>>> Rudder Gain 2
>>>> Response 2
>>>> Turn Rate Limit 20
>>>> Align Rudder 0
>>>> Rudder Limit 20
>>>> Off Course Alarm 20
>>>> AutoTack 100
>>>> AutoTrim 3
>>>> Drive Type 2
>>>> Variation 0
>>>> AutoAdapt nth
>>>> Latitude The correct latitude for
>>>> the location of the boat.
>>>> Rudder Damp 4
>>>> Cruise Speed A
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>These settings sort-of work. You will still get a wake snake, but
>>>>they
>>>>are much better than the original factory settings. At least one
>>>>C-320
>>>>owner has installed the rudder position indicator on his boat (look
>>>>in
>>>>the C-320 photo archives), and that may help.
>>>>
>>>>I have been using these settings for the past four years with my
>>>>ST-4000+ on my C-320, and get a minimal wake snake when steering
>>>>off
>>>>the fluxgate compass under power. However, when I use either the
>>>>wind
>>>>instrument or the GPS to control the direction (yeah, yeah, I know,
>>>>the
>>>>wind instrument just provides some adjustment to the fluxgate
>>>>control,
>>>>but what can I say), the boat runs straight as an arrow with no
>>>>
>>>>
>>>wake
>>>
>>>
>>>>snake at all.
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>>Alchemist C-320 #909
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--- Sweetwater Yacht Charters <sail at sweetwater-charters.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Believe me, we have tried everything! I would be happy with any
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>kind
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>of
>>>>>course at all - even if it is a big "S". This unit simply will
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>not
>>>
>>>
>>>>>hold a
>>>>>course at all. The previous owner actually sent the head in for
>>>>>repair and
>>>>>they upgraded the software and sent a list of all the correct
>>>>>settings, but
>>>>>it still won't work. After struggling with it for 2 seasons, I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>think
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I would
>>>>>just rather get a new unit.
>>>>>-Joan
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Mark Koch" <markkoch738 at hotmail.com>
>>>>>To: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:31 AM
>>>>>Subject: RE: [C320-list] Autohelm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dear Joan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We had the same problem on "Still Crazy". I could not make the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>system
>>>>>hold
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>a course in any kind of a sea. Each variation to port or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>starboard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>was
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>greater than the last. We were sailing huge S's down the lake.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>contacted
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>customer service at Raymarine and he gave me a group of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>settings
>>>
>>>
>>>>>that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>returned the unit to factory settings. After performing the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>recommended
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>adjustments, the system worked flawlessly. Raymarine service
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>contacted me
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>several days later to check on the adjustments. I am now very
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>pleased
>>>>>with
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>both the Autohem and the Service Dept.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mark Koch
>>>>>>#738 Still Crazy
>>>>>>Huron, Ohio
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mark Koch
>>>>>>KelKo Products Company
>>>>>>Sandusky, Ohio
>>>>>>(419) 626-2571
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From: "Sweetwater Yacht Charters"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>><sail at sweetwater-charters.net>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>Reply-To: C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>>>>>>To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>>>>>>Subject: [C320-list] Autohelm
>>>>>>>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:03:14 -0800
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We have never been able to get the Autohelm on Persistence to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>work
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>correctly. Apparently the previous owner had problems too. I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>have
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>decided
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>replace the unit this year. The old unit is the ST4000 (not
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>ST400+)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>My question: I think I can get an upgrade from Raymarine to go
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>from the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>ST4000 to the ST4000+. This would be much cheaper since it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>would
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>work
>>>>>with
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>the equipment already installed. Has anyone done this? Also,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>does
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>anyone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>have suggestions for a better system? My feeling after doing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>research is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>that the ST4000+ is adequate, but not great. Of course, the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>service
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>department would like me to buy a nice, expensive system! I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>sail
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>on the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Great Lakes (primarily Lake Michigan) so I don't need anything
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>really
>>>>>heavy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>duty, but we do some long distances when delivering so it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>can't
>>>
>>>
>>>>be
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>light-weight either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-Joan
>>>>>>> C320 #90 Persistence
>>>>>>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 11:34:00 -0500
> From: "T. Scott Thompson" <sthompson at toad.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Autohelm
> To: C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
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> It might be "cool" to motor around with no one at the helm, but I
> suspect that the USCG might take a dim view of this if you were doing
> this in a way that actually scared people. And I doubt if it's legal in
> a harbor setting given that you don't have any control of your engine
> with units like this.
>
> Returning to the original question: It's not clear to me that the
> remote control is an argument for the ST4000+. I'm fairly sure you can
> get the same or better functionality with other Raymarine autopilots,
> and probably with units from other manufacturers too.
>
> Robert E. Sloat wrote:
>
>>I have Hull 894 (2002) and the OEM installation from the Catalina factory
>>is
>>Raymarine ST60 wind, speed and depth instruments along with latest 4000
>>wheel autopilot. Once you swing the fluxgate compass and set the wind
>>instrument calibrated per owner's manual everything works just fine. The
>>autopilot settings I use are those lifted from the 320 site which I
>>believe
>>are basically very close to factory recommendations.
>>
>>One advantage of the Raymarine autopilot that I just discovered on their
>>website is that their SmartController wireless autopilot controller
>>appears
>>to be plug and play with the 4000 autopilot and gives you both the benefit
>>of wireless autopilot control and a repeater of digital data. I may
>>install
>>this in the spring and eliminate the hassle of installing a wired repeater
>>on the mast. The hand held SmartController could be mounted or just
>>placed
>>somewhere under the dodger so you can observe speed changes based on sail
>>adjustment without having to go back to the helm or ask for a reading from
>>the skipper. The SmartController display screen is not very large, but it
>>would be right next to the crew and looks like a nice improvement.
>>
>>The wireless unit would be very convenient to make heading adjustments
>>when
>>soloing and at the bow setting the asymmetrical spinnaker. It might be
>>cool
>>to scare folks at the harbor when under power by emptying the cockpit,
>>hanging out at the bow and steering with the remote. I believe the
>>wireless
>>range is around 30 feet so there is a low chance some joker on shore with
>>a
>>similar unit could join in on the fun.
>>
>>I will stop but the Raymarine booth at Strictly Sail here in Chicago to
>>discuss installation with a rep.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Sweetwater Yacht Charters" <sail at sweetwater-charters.net>
>>To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:11 PM
>>Subject: Re: [C320-list] Autohelm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Just to bring this back up, because I don't think I asked the question
>>>correctly. Am I right in assuming that most are happy with the ST4000+ on
>>>their C320? OR, does anyone have a different unit which they think is
>>>better? I will probably be stopping by Strictly Sail in Chicago next
>>>month
>>>so I might be able to get a deal on something.
>>>
>>>-Joan
>>> C320 #90 Persistence
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "T. Scott Thompson" <sthompson at toad.net>
>>>To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>; "Steven Magennis"
>>><magenns at yahoo.com>
>>>Cc: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 1:58 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [C320-list] Autohelm
>>>
>>>
>>>The settings quoted below are for the ST4000+, which is NOT the unit in
>>>question. In fact, if I read the messages correctly, Joan is asking
>>>whether she should upgrade to the ST4000+.
>>>
>>>Steve: What makes you say that the wind instrument just provides
>>>adjustments to the fluxgate input? My impression has been that the
>>>fluxgate is no longer used to steer the boat at all when sailing to the
>>>wind instrument. The wind mode gives by far the best performance, at
>>>least for sailing upwind, I've found.
>>>
>>>Joan: I've found that my boat with ST4000+ snakes about the same when
>>>using the GPS waypoint mode as when using a compass heading mode. May
>>>be the function of one GPS vs. another, but I can't think of why the
>>>GPS would help much since according to the docs, the Autohelm does not
>>>use the GPS heading information at all. (It appears to use the cross
>>>track error data and the bearing to waypoint data to determine which
>>>course to steer in GPS mode. But my experience is that it will
>>>tolerate quite a bit of cross track error before it makes a correction.)
>>>
>>>I've read here that Raymarine has recommended the rudder sensor to some
>>>owners, but have never heard anyone report that they noticed much of an
>>>improvement from installing one. I'd love to be proven wrong, however.
>>>
>>>On the other hand, installing one of the newer Raymarine units that
>>>includes a gyro unit to improve the heading response performance of hte
>>>compass should make a lot of difference. I don't think you can add
>>>this to the ST4000 or ST4000+, however.
>>>
>>>------------------
>>>T. Scott Thompson
>>>sthompson at toad.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Quoting Steven Magennis <magenns at yahoo.com>:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>This has been discussed a lot on this site. From Jan, 2005:
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: Allan Field
>>>>To: c320
>>>>Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:44 PM
>>>>Subject: RE: [c320] User Setup for Raymarine ST4000 Plus Wheel
>>>>Autopilot
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>An important setting is drive type = 2.
>>>>
>>>> Calibration Lock OFF
>>>> Pilot Type 4000whl
>>>> Rudder Gain 2
>>>> Response 2
>>>> Turn Rate Limit 20
>>>> Align Rudder 0
>>>> Rudder Limit 20
>>>> Off Course Alarm 20
>>>> AutoTack 100
>>>> AutoTrim 3
>>>> Drive Type 2
>>>> Variation 0
>>>> AutoAdapt nth
>>>> Latitude The correct latitude for
>>>> the location of the boat.
>>>> Rudder Damp 4
>>>> Cruise Speed A
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>These settings sort-of work. You will still get a wake snake, but
>>>>they
>>>>are much better than the original factory settings. At least one
>>>>C-320
>>>>owner has installed the rudder position indicator on his boat (look
>>>>in
>>>>the C-320 photo archives), and that may help.
>>>>
>>>>I have been using these settings for the past four years with my
>>>>ST-4000+ on my C-320, and get a minimal wake snake when steering
>>>>off
>>>>the fluxgate compass under power. However, when I use either the
>>>>wind
>>>>instrument or the GPS to control the direction (yeah, yeah, I know,
>>>>the
>>>>wind instrument just provides some adjustment to the fluxgate
>>>>control,
>>>>but what can I say), the boat runs straight as an arrow with no wake
>>>>snake at all.
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>>Alchemist C-320 #909
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--- Sweetwater Yacht Charters <sail at sweetwater-charters.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Believe me, we have tried everything! I would be happy with any
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>kind
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>of
>>>>>course at all - even if it is a big "S". This unit simply will not
>>>>>hold a
>>>>>course at all. The previous owner actually sent the head in for
>>>>>repair and
>>>>>they upgraded the software and sent a list of all the correct
>>>>>settings, but
>>>>>it still won't work. After struggling with it for 2 seasons, I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>think
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I would
>>>>>just rather get a new unit.
>>>>>-Joan
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "Mark Koch" <markkoch738 at hotmail.com>
>>>>>To: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 7:31 AM
>>>>>Subject: RE: [C320-list] Autohelm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dear Joan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We had the same problem on "Still Crazy". I could not make the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>system
>>>>>hold
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>a course in any kind of a sea. Each variation to port or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>starboard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>was
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>greater than the last. We were sailing huge S's down the lake.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>contacted
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>customer service at Raymarine and he gave me a group of settings
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>returned the unit to factory settings. After performing the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>recommended
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>adjustments, the system worked flawlessly. Raymarine service
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>contacted me
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>several days later to check on the adjustments. I am now very
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>pleased
>>>>>with
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>both the Autohem and the Service Dept.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mark Koch
>>>>>>#738 Still Crazy
>>>>>>Huron, Ohio
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mark Koch
>>>>>>KelKo Products Company
>>>>>>Sandusky, Ohio
>>>>>>(419) 626-2571
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From: "Sweetwater Yacht Charters"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>><sail at sweetwater-charters.net>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>Reply-To: C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>>>>>>To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>>>>>>Subject: [C320-list] Autohelm
>>>>>>>Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:03:14 -0800
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We have never been able to get the Autohelm on Persistence to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>work
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>correctly. Apparently the previous owner had problems too. I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>have
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>decided
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>replace the unit this year. The old unit is the ST4000 (not the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>ST400+)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>My question: I think I can get an upgrade from Raymarine to go
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>from the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>ST4000 to the ST4000+. This would be much cheaper since it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>would
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>work
>>>>>with
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>the equipment already installed. Has anyone done this? Also,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>does
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>anyone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>have suggestions for a better system? My feeling after doing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>research is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>that the ST4000+ is adequate, but not great. Of course, the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>service
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>department would like me to buy a nice, expensive system! I
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>sail
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>on the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Great Lakes (primarily Lake Michigan) so I don't need anything
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>really
>>>>>heavy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>duty, but we do some long distances when delivering so it can't
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>be
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>light-weight either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-Joan
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