[C320-list] Re: C320-List Digest, Vol 4, Issue 67

Tue Jan 24 10:32:49 PST 2006

Bill,
Wind Dancer is a more "mature" hull #394 and the forward panel also has four 
screws holding it.  Have you tried looking around the corners to the edge 
pieces?

Ralph

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>   1. Re: RE: AGM batteries, Battery OFF/BOTH (belairlk at aim.com)
>   2. Re: Brand of Power Pack (Joseph A Tamucci)
>   3. Re: RE: AGM batteries, Battery OFF/BOTH (Dave Anderer)
>   4. Re: Fleet 1 (K L)
>   5. How to use a Martec 2 Blade folding prop
>      (Chris Block ..._/)   ....._/))
>   6. Navstation forward wood panel removal? (Bill Culbertson)
>   7. Re: Navstation forward wood panel removal? (Steven Magennis)
>   8. RE: Fleet 1 (Adam Weiner)
>   9. Re: How to use a Martec 2 Blade folding prop (T. Scott Thompson)
>  10. Re: Simplified Starting Battery Schematic needed
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 14:04:14 -0500
> From: belairlk at aim.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] RE: AGM batteries, Battery OFF/BOTH
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> Did you get the lower power ($59) or the higher power ($85) model #40615?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Anderer <danderer at udel.edu>
> To: C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:09:33 -0500
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] RE: AGM batteries, Battery OFF/BOTH
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>
> Here's the route I went (though it was selling for only $59 last month):
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=40615
>
> belairlk at aim.com wrote:
>> Joe #619---What is the brand of the power pack, and how many amps does it 
>> deliver? For around $50. it sounds like a more economical solution than 
>> dedicated stater battery. > > On the web I found Red Flash RF350 power 
>> pack for small diesels---cranking current 510 Amps, weighs about 22 
>> lbs.---made by British company, have inquired whether they're sold here, 
>> and retail price
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> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:16:40 -0500
> From: Joseph A Tamucci <jtamucci at adelphia.net>
> Subject: [C320-list] Re: Brand of Power Pack
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> I have an "Ever Start" Maxx, Heavy Duty Jump Starter I bought at Walmart
> for about $50.  Its rated at 600 Amps Starting power with a capacity of 20
> AMP/HRS. I was wrong: it only weights 20Lbs.  It has 2-12VDC outputs  but
> no built in light or air pump.  It's also the only power pack that has an
> override switch that allows the jumper cables to be powered on even if
> there is no load.  This is a handy feature for directly connecting to
> higher amp devices such as high volume air pumps etc. on deck or away from
> the boat. The other power pacts require you to be connected to a battery
> before power is applied to the cables.  CAUTION...I would never use this
> feature to directly connect the power pack to the engine cables with no
> batteries in the circuit.  That would most likely damage the alternator
> and/or power pack.
>
> Its power source is an AGM battery so it's sealed and can be placed in any
> position.  It can be recharged by an AC adapter or 12V cigarette lighter.
> I had it sitting on the boat for 2 months without charging and it still 
> was
> almost fully charged when I used it to jump start my YANMAR.
>
> I found out about it from Practical Sailor magazine (don't remember what
> issue) that compared it to other pacts and highly recommended it.
>
> Joe #619
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:20:10 -0500
> From: Dave Anderer <danderer at udel.edu>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] RE: AGM batteries, Battery OFF/BOTH
> To: C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
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> I purchased a #40615 from them on 12/31/05 for $59.  Obviously they've
> raised their price since then.
>
> belairlk at aim.com wrote:
>>  Did you get the lower power ($59) or the higher power ($85) model 
>> #40615?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Anderer <danderer at udel.edu>
>> To: C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:09:33 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] RE: AGM batteries, Battery OFF/BOTH
>>
>>
>> Here's the route I went (though it was selling for only $59 last month):
>>
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=40615
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 16:39:47 -0800
> From: "K L" <sfca33 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fleet 1
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
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> I keep Grace in Emery Cove. I am on a waiting list for Sausalito but not
> sure I will move when my name makes it to the top of the list.
>
> Ken Danko
> #802
>
>
>>From: MNEUMANN at att.net (Matt Neumann)
>>Reply-To: C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>To: C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fleet 1
>>Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 03:30:13 +0000
>>
>>The only activities we are aware of are organized by Farallone Yachts
>>Brokers with Catalina. These events are for all Catalina owners not just
>>320 owners. If would be fun to cruise out to Angel Island or to one the
>>local Yacht Clubs for a BBQ, etc.
>>
>>Do you know if there is a list of owners on the bay?
>>
>>Where do you keep your boat?
>>
>>Matt Neumann
>>#669
>>Pineapple Girl
>>Coyote Point
>>-------------- Original
>>
>>-------------- Original message from "K L" <sfca33 at hotmail.com>:
>>--------------
>>
>>
>> > I would be interested in getting it going again. I see other 320s out
>>there
>> > frequently (I saw #597 last week near Angel Island for instance) and
>>have
>> > often wondered if there are any organized activities.
>> >
>> > Ken Danko
>> > #802
>> > Grace
>> >
>> >
>> > >From: mneumann at att.net (Matt Neumann)
>> > >Reply-To: C320-List
>> > >To: C320-List
>> > >Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fleet 1
>> > >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 23:08:18 +0000
>> > >
>> > >Does Fleet 1, on SF Bay, still exist? If so, who do I contact? If not,
>>is
>> > >there any interest in getting it going again? How about a 320 Cruise
>>Out?
>> > >
>> > >Matt
>> > >#669
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> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:54:35 -0600
> From: "Chris Block ..._/\)   ....._/\)" <cblock at austin.rr.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] How to use a Martec 2 Blade folding prop
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> I just got my Martec folding 2 blade prop back and I will be installing it 
> next week.
>
> The instructions claim that it only works in 2 positions (blade pin 
> vertical).  They ask you to mark your shaft in the positions where the 
> blade pin we be vertical. (I guess so that gravity does not open one side 
> of the prop.)
>
> This makes sense but I have 2 questions:
>
> 1. How does one get the prop shaft to lock in position?  put it in gear? 
> or special contraption/clamp/prop shaft brake?
>
> 2. Is there a quick way to get it back to this position without having to 
> take apart the bed etc.
>
> Chris
> Amore #139
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:49:27 -0800 (PST)
> From: Bill Culbertson <billculb_a2 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] Navstation forward wood panel removal?
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> I don't recall this ever coming up on the list before which surprises me 
> given all the stuff that we ask & talk about.  How is the forward-most of 
> the wood panels that hold Navstation instruments mounted?
>
>  My aft panel is full and I'm putting another instrument in.  When we 
> bought the boat, the dealer installed the stereo in the top of that 
> forward panel.  Since then, everything that I've put in has been in the 
> aft panel.  That one comes off simply with four corner screws.  If the 
> stereo weren't obscuring the view, I'd could better tell how the forward 
> panel is held in place.
>
>  It "looks" like it might be held by a corner piece.  If so, then the 
> top-most screw of that corner piece is completely inaccessible to me now 
> b/c it's sandwiched between the stereo and the end panel.  I'm really 
> wondering how the got that flush-mount stereo in at this point.
>
>  Thanks in advance for any light anyone can share.
>
>   -bill culbertson
>    Harmony #859
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:58:39 -0800 (PST)
> From: Steven Magennis <magenns at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Navstation forward wood panel removal?
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> I had mine off about 4 years ago (to run speaker wire and an antenna
> for the Stereo), and as I recall, it's held in by only 4 screws.  The
> hull slopes in towards the bottom of the pannel, and there's not much
> space between the panel and the hull in the lower 1/2, so you would
> need to keep your instruments nearer the top unless you are surface
> mounting them.
>
> Steve
> Alchemist #909
>
>
>
> --- Bill Culbertson <billculb_a2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't recall this ever coming up on the list before which surprises
>> me given all the stuff that we ask & talk about.  How is the
>> forward-most of the wood panels that hold Navstation instruments
>> mounted?
>>
>>   My aft panel is full and I'm putting another instrument in.  When
>> we bought the boat, the dealer installed the stereo in the top of
>> that forward panel.  Since then, everything that I've put in has been
>> in the aft panel.  That one comes off simply with four corner screws.
>>  If the stereo weren't obscuring the view, I'd could better tell how
>> the forward panel is held in place.
>>
>>   It "looks" like it might be held by a corner piece.  If so, then
>> the top-most screw of that corner piece is completely inaccessible to
>> me now b/c it's sandwiched between the stereo and the end panel.  I'm
>> really wondering how the got that flush-mount stereo in at this
>> point.
>>
>>   Thanks in advance for any light anyone can share.
>>
>>    -bill culbertson
>>     Harmony #859
>>
>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:23:59 -0800
> From: "Adam Weiner" <esquirecatering at rcn.com>
> Subject: RE: [C320-list] Fleet 1
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> It fell apart because Orlando kept coming up here and didn't go sailing.
>
> Adam
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> [mailto:C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Linda Richards
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 5:59 PM
> To: C320-List
> Subject: RE: [C320-list] Fleet 1
>
>
> That is a shame to hear that Fleet 1 is no longer active for us
> long-time Cat 320 owners.  Fleet 1 sponsored the first four Catalina 320
> Association annual meetings held in the Bay Area back in I believe 1995
> - 1998.  A lot of good memories and long-time friendships began there in
> our assn.
>
>  Linda Richards
>  cuba libre 2
>  Marina del Rey, CA
>
> Adam Weiner <esquirecatering at rcn.com> wrote:
>  Julian Elliot was the driving force behind Fleet One and last time I
> saw him was about a year ago and he was talking to moving to Canada.
> Dinah Goodsell at Farrollne Boat Sales in Alameda was the broker behind
> the fleet. The best bet would probably be to contact her.
>
> Cruise out sounds good to me.
>
> Adam
>
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> [mailto:C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Matt Neumann
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:08 PM
> To: C320-List
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fleet 1
>
>
> Does Fleet 1, on SF Bay, still exist? If so, who do I contact? If not,
> is there any interest in getting it going again? How about a 320 Cruise
> Out?
>
> Matt
> #669
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> Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:32:47 -0500
> From: "T. Scott Thompson" <sthompson at toad.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] How to use a Martec 2 Blade folding prop
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> I don't have one but I've used them on other boats.  Here are my answers
> based on experience in similar boats...
>
> 1.  There is no need to lock the shaft.  Just put the transmission in
> reverse.  There are no substantial torques on the shaft while you are
> sailing once the prop folds.
>
> 2.  No.  At least not in my experience.  You have to look at the shaft
> and mounting flange to know for sure whether it is lined up.  It's
> probably possible to build some specialized gizmo that would stop the
> shaft in the right position, but I've never seen anything like this.  On
> the other hand, if you don't stop the shaft in the right position you
> will still get most of the benefits of a folding prop.  It's just that
> gravity is going to keep it partly open when you are moving slowly.
>
> Chris Block ..._/) ....._/) wrote:
>
>>I just got my Martec folding 2 blade prop back and I will be installing it 
>>next week.
>>
>>The instructions claim that it only works in 2 positions (blade pin 
>>vertical).  They ask you to mark your shaft in the positions where the 
>>blade pin we be vertical. (I guess so that gravity does not open one side 
>>of the prop.)
>>
>>This makes sense but I have 2 questions:
>>
>>1. How does one get the prop shaft to lock in position?  put it in gear? 
>>or special contraption/clamp/prop shaft brake?
>>
>>2. Is there a quick way to get it back to this position without having to 
>>take apart the bed etc.
>>
>>Chris
>>Amore #139
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:38:11 +0000
> From: jonvez at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Simplified Starting Battery Schematic needed
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> To charge both from the alternator I use a battery Combiner. when on shore 
> power, both banks are charging regardless of the setting (Jeff helped my 
> with my setup as well)...
>
> regards,
>
> Jon Vez
>
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: John Van Vessem <jvanvessem at sbcglobal.net>
>
>> Jeff,
>>
>> I like your solution to a simple starting battery installation. It's
>> something I have wanted to do also. However, I'm questioning your 
>> instructions
>> on the use of this set up. You say that you must have the switch in the 
>> BOTH
>> position while charging either from the charger or from the alternator. I 
>> don't
>> get that because presently the switch position doesn't matter. I can have 
>> the
>> switch in position 1 or 2 and both 4d batteries will charge. Does your 
>> wiring
>> plan change that?
>>
>> John (Sojourn645)
>>
>> Jeff Hare wrote:
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> Orlando's advise is wise here. You should invest in the 12v
>> bible or something
>> simple like it. Aside from that, the job is not complicated. For
>> any cables you need,
>> use only 1/0 or 2/0 pre-tinned boat cable.
>>
>> Re: this wiring
>> diagram: 
>> http://www.catalina320.com/gallery/album31/MinimalStartingBattery
>>
>> This is one of the simplest functional arrangements you'll probably find.
>>
>> First step: Parallel the 4Ds
>> ====================
>> The negative terminals of both 4Ds are already connected together
>> with heavy black cable and
>> they form the common DC ground. That part is all set.
>>
>> To put the two 4Ds in parallel without adding any new wire, you
>> can simply move the battery
>> cable connected to the #1 (or A) terminal of the 1-2-both, over to
>> the #2 (or B) terminal of that
>> switch. I strongly recommend cleaning the connectors lightly with
>> steel wool before reattaching
>> them, especially if they're not pre-tinned connectors.
>>
>> Step two: Install a starting battery
>> =========================
>> Put it as close to the 1-2-Both switch as practical and
>> relatively close to one of the two 4Ds.
>> I'm guessing that you're battery 1-2-both switch is on the electrical 
>> panel.
>>
>> Using heavy black cable, connect the Negative starting battery
>> terminal to the Negative post on the nearest 4D.
>>
>> Using a heavy Red Cable, connect the Positive starting battery
>> terminal to the #1 (or A) terminal of the 1-2-both switch.
>>
>> That's it... Now, how do you use it?
>> ==============================
>>
>> Generally speaking, you leave the battery switch on both whenever
>> motoring, or at the dock plugged-in to shore power. On the hook,
>> using battery power, ALWAYS switch over to position #2 to disconnect
>> the starting battery.
>>
>> The engine will start in position #1 using the Starting battery or
>> position #2 using the house batteries, or all batteries in the Both 
>> position.
>>
>> You don't need to do anything with the alternator wiring.
>>
>> The shore power will only recharge the starting battery when the
>> 1-2-both is in BOTH position.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> -JeffH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 01:05 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote:
>> >Although there is much information on the site and archives for
>> >installing a starting battery, I was hoping to get some help on a
>> >simpler design.
>> >
>> >I have hull #139 with a 4D battery under each settee, one on STBD
>> >and one on PORT.
>> >
>> >I've purchased a separate on/off switch from Blue Sea, a negative
>> >distribution bus, and I intend to buy a group 24 battery and the
>> >necessary extra cables and wires.
>> >
>> >I do not intend to install a monitor.
>> >
>> >I only motor in and out of the slip (15mins) and I plug in every
>> >night all night.
>> >
>> >I leave the fridge running all the time if stocked with beer, etc.
>> >
>> >I use the boat (race and cruise) all year long, and visit the boat
>> >at least 2X per week (10mins from house).
>> >
>> >Can someone draw out the simplified wiring diagram? Alternatively,
>> >if someone can talk in terms of "take the wire that was here and
>> >move it here and add a wire here....etc" that would be appreciated.
>> >
>> >Using Jeff's diagram as a guide, where do the wires from the
>> >alternator tie into?
>> >
>> >Do I need a fuse, solenoid, combiner, isolator for this simple
>> >design? What are the risks of not having any of these?
>> >
>> >Thanks in advance, and I will be happy to post a follow up story
>> >with pictures upon completion of the project.
>> >
>> >Chris
>> >Amore #139
>> >
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