[C320-list] Re: C320-List Digest, Vol 4, Issue 77

Ralph Winkler capt-wink at aepro.com
Fri Jan 27 13:57:46 PST 2006 

Russ

I agree with security.  Karl has the right idea that the old list required 
owners to enter their owner password to gain access and that was great.  All 
some of us had to do was then remember our password.  :<(

Ralph

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>   3. RE: C320 Owners list--important discussion (Karl Krueger)
>   4. Re: New Genoa (David J Gleason)
>   5. Re: New Genoa (David J Gleason)
>   6. RE: C320 Owners list--important discussion (Chris Burti)
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> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 11:19:28 -0800
> From: "Sweetwater Yacht Charters" <sail at sweetwater-charters.net>
> Subject: Re: Re: [C320-list] Engine Access
> To: <kmielen at iwon.com>, "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
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> Karl-
> Beautiful job! I plan on doing this too. The previous owners had a custom
> mattress built for the aft cabin; even though it is in two sections, it is
> so heavy to move that it makes getting the engine cover off very 
> difficult.
>
> -Joan
>  C320 #90 Persistence
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karl Mielenhausen _/) " <kmielen at iwon.com>
> To: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 8:08 AM
> Subject: FW: Re: [C320-list] Engine Access
>
>
>> Russ,
>>
>>
>>
>> I located the access port so that the bottom of the hole was 7" above the
> very bottom of the aft engine cover. I positioned the hole as far forward 
> as
> I dared trying to avoid compromising the structural integrity of the cover
> and to leave room for the deckplate flange and its screws, about 2" or so.
> You want to go as far forward as possible to better align with the 
> dipstick.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is a new pic with the cover reinstalled:
>>
>>      http://www.catalina320.com/gallery/album91/Engine_Acess_Port
>>
>>
>>
>> If I had to do it again, I'd position the hole at 8" not 7". That would
> improve access to the transmission (gearbox) dipstick. Right now it is
> difficult to reach over the engine control cables to get to that dipstick.
> Raising the hole 1" would help without compromising access to the engine 
> oil
> dipstick.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cutting the cover was easier than I anticipated. Once I laid out the hole
> location, I drilled 2 adjacent 1/8" holes to form a slot for my saber saw
> blade. I used a fine tooth blade to make the cut. It left a nice clean 
> edge
> but I had to open up the hole slightly anyway when I was done, since I cut
> it slightly undersize. For that I used a sanding drum on my rotary tool.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Karl Mielenhausen
>>
>> 2000 C320 Hull#690 "Silver Lining"
>>
>> New Bern, NC
>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:54:45 -0500
> From: "Jeff Hare" <hare at cadence.com>
> Subject: RE: [C320-list] C320 Owners list--important discussion
> To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
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> Hi Russ,
>
>   In the past I took this list and removed email addresses and other
> important information so that it couldn't be used to build mailing or
> emailing lists from.  Only then would I post it for logged in Website
> Members to view.
>
> I also agree with the need to be sensitive to privacy (why I never
> forwarded the unmodified Nanosec data to people).
>
> -Jeff
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com
> [mailto:C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of pat reynolds
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:00 AM
> To: C320-List
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 Owners list--important discussion
>
> I agree also
>
> --- Russell Monaco <russgm at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi everybody-
>>  Alot of you are interested in the copy of the Master List.  I have
>> given this some thought and would prefer to discuss this first.  Alot
>> of people may have some privacy concerns about such a list with
>> persoanl data being circulated.  What I propose to do is to post on
>> the web site a membership roster for people to look at, this would
>> include just the
>> following:
>>  first name, last name, city, hull#, boat name.
>>
>>  Please let me know what you think. In terms of those trying to get in
>
>> touch with specific people, or groups of people I have in the past and
>
>> will continue to respond to direct member requests for anmes
>> address/emails etc, to help them form fleets etc.  But i am hesitant
>> in this day and age to simply be loose with our members personal data.
>>
>>  What do you all think?
>>  Russ Monaco
>>  Commodre C320IA
>>
>>
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> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:10:12 -0600
> From: "Karl Krueger" <smoothsail at usxchange.net>
> Subject: RE: [C320-list] C320 Owners list--important discussion
> To: "'C320-List'" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
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> Russ:
>
> Good idea!  I'd like to piggyback on your idea.  I like the idea of other
> C320 owners being able to register on the list.  The method or file that 
> was
> used on the old C320 web site was nice. How much work is involved in that?
>
> Karl Krueger (Kindred Spirit #282)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com
> [mailto:C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com]On Behalf Of Russell Monaco
> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:21 PM
> To: C320-List
> Subject: [C320-list] C320 Owners list--important discussion
>
>
> Hi everybody-
> Alot of you are interested in the copy of the Master List.  I have given
> this some thought and would prefer to discuss this first.  Alot of people
> may have some privacy concerns about such a list with persoanl data being
> circulated.  What I propose to do is to post on the web site a membership
> roster for people to look at, this would include just the following:
> first name, last name, city, hull#, boat name.
>
> Please let me know what you think. In terms of those trying to get in 
> touch
> with specific people, or groups of people I have in the past and will
> continue to respond to direct member requests for anmes address/emails 
> etc,
> to help them form fleets etc.  But i am hesitant in this day and age to
> simply be loose with our members personal data.
>
> What do you all think?
> Russ Monaco
> Commodre C320IA
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:27:48 -0500
> From: David J Gleason <djgleason1 at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Cc: C320-List at catalina320.com
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> The reason that the "credit is extremely miserly...." is that Catalina is
> giving you EXACTLY what the sail is worth!
>
> Dave Gleason
> Proud Mary, #150
>
>
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:28:53 -0800 Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com
> writes:
>> Jon,
>>
>> You're correct, the credit is extremely miserly....
>>
>> The difference in overall performance after the new sails was
>> amazing--I changed both genoa and main at the same time (both from
>> UK Sails)
>>
>> cuba libre 2
>> --------------------------
>> Regards,
>> OD
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: C320-List-bounces
>> Sent: 01/27/2006 06:09 AM
>> To: C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
>>
>> I also agree. I took this approach starting last fall. I ordered my
>> new jib and will replace my main after this sailing season. Are the
>> original catalina sails in good shape? According to two sail lofts
>> they are in great shape. When I was told that I wouldn't believe the
>> difference in overall sailing characteristics (pointing higher,
>> significantly reducing rounding up etc) with quality sails (I
>> happened to go with North) I can say the difference is
>> astounding....
>>
>> Orlando, you're probably doing the wise thing with your new boat
>> because my understanding is the 'credit' Catalina gives for ordering
>> without sails is pretty measly.....
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jon Vez
>>
>> -------------- Original message -------------- 
>> From: "Jeff Church" <jjemail at comcast.net>
>>
>> > I agree. It's really frustrating when you have to reef because
>> everything
>> > that should de-power the main has so little effect. This year new
>> jib, next
>> > year new main.
>> >
>> > Jeff
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From:
>> > To: "Catalina 320 List"
>> > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:51 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
>> >
>> >
>> > I hated my stock sails....they were worthless....when I buy my new
>> boat, I
>> > will only use the stock sails till I'm ready to leave...2 years at
>> most,
>> > I'll buy new sails for cruising...
>> >
>> > cuba libre 2
>> > -------------------------- 
>> > Regards,
>> > OD
>> >
>> > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:15:40 -0500
> From: David J Gleason <djgleason1 at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Cc: C320-List at catalina320.com
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> Jeff:
>
> Let me first ask you a question.  If you are not interested in a deck
> sweeper for racing purposes, then why would want a lower clew that does
> not provide any more sail area than a higher clew on the same size sail.
> Changing the clew position does not provide more sail area.
>
> On Proud Mary the clew is about 2" above the life lines.  There is a 8"
> pennant on the tack of the sail so that the foot of the sail will clear
> the life line.
>
> Dave Gleason
> Proud Mary, #150
>
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:14:42 -0600 "Jeff Church" <jjemail at comcast.net>
> writes:
>> Dave,
>>
>> Even with the OEM sail, when I tack to a close hauled point of sail
>> I need
>> to skirt the jib. As to losing visibility under the jib, I'll accept
>> some of
>> that, but I'm not really considering a deck sweeper. I used that as
>> an
>> example of the compromises that you make when deciding these issues.
>> I'm
>> looking at a clew height anywhere from the sailmaker's recommended
>> 18" to
>> whatever the OEM sail has, which I am not sure of at this point,
>> maybe 24 to
>> 26". How high is your clew (approx) when close hauled? I'd like to
>> be able
>> to tell the sailmaker that the clew is X now, and he can lower it a
>> little
>> from there.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "David Gleason" <djgleason1 at juno.com>
>> To: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Cc: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 9:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
>>
>>
>> > Jeff:
>> >
>> > If you are racing then a deck sweeper (very low clew) sail is what
>> you
>> > will want.  This sail will not allow as much air to spill under
>> the sail
>> > as a higher clew sail will.  However, when ever you tack when
>> close
>> > hauled, someone will have to skirt the sail over the life lines in
>> order
>> > to sheet it in. In addition, you loose visibility on that side of
>> the
>> > boat, as the helms person cannot see other boats.  You will need
>> a
>> > lookout.   For a cruiser, without a large crew, this is a real
>> pain.  You
>> > want to be able to see where other boats are, and tack without
>> someone
>> > going forward on the leeward side of the boat to handle this
>> chore.
>> >
>> > Dave Gleason
>> > Proud Mary, #150
>> >
>>
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:34:30 -0800 (PST)
> From: Chris Burti <cburti at yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: [C320-list] C320 Owners list--important discussion
> To: C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <20060127203430.5214.qmail at web30201.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> I am pretty sure that I have a copy of that file from
> around 2004. Jeff has/had the original and was getting
> a little behind with the demands of a new baby as
> recall. I helped him clean it it up a bit. Glad to
> provide it, assuming I can find it, but I feel sure
> that everything else is probably more current anyway.
>
> --- Karl Krueger <smoothsail at usxchange.net> wrote:
>
>> Russ:
>>
>> Good idea!  I'd like to piggyback on your idea.  I
>> like the idea of other
>> C320 owners being able to register on the list.  The
>> method or file that was
>> used on the old C320 web site was nice. How much
>> work is involved in that?
>>
>> Karl Krueger (Kindred Spirit #282)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com
>> [mailto:C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com]On Behalf
>> Of Russell Monaco
>> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:21 PM
>> To: C320-List
>> Subject: [C320-list] C320 Owners list--important
>> discussion
>>
>>
>> Hi everybody-
>>  Alot of you are interested in the copy of the
>> Master List.  I have given
>> this some thought and would prefer to discuss this
>> first.  Alot of people
>> may have some privacy concerns about such a list
>> with persoanl data being
>> circulated.  What I propose to do is to post on the
>> web site a membership
>> roster for people to look at, this would include
>> just the following:
>>  first name, last name, city, hull#, boat name.
>>
>>  Please let me know what you think. In terms of
>> those trying to get in touch
>> with specific people, or groups of people I have in
>> the past and will
>> continue to respond to direct member requests for
>> anmes address/emails etc,
>> to help them form fleets etc.  But i am hesitant in
>> this day and age to
>> simply be loose with our members personal data.
>>
>>  What do you all think?
>>  Russ Monaco
>>  Commodre C320IA
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:38:40 -0800
> From: Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
> To: "Catalina 320 List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
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> Dave,
>
> Correct!
>
> cuba libre 2
> --------------------------
> Regards,
> OD
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: C320-List-bounces
> Sent: 01/27/2006 12:27 PM
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Cc: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
>
> The reason that the "credit is extremely miserly...." is that Catalina is
> giving you EXACTLY what the sail is worth!
>
> Dave Gleason
> Proud Mary, #150
>
>
> On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 07:28:53 -0800 Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com
> writes:
>> Jon,
>>
>> You're correct, the credit is extremely miserly....
>>
>> The difference in overall performance after the new sails was
>> amazing--I changed both genoa and main at the same time (both from
>> UK Sails)
>>
>> cuba libre 2
>> --------------------------
>> Regards,
>> OD
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: C320-List-bounces
>> Sent: 01/27/2006 06:09 AM
>> To: C320-List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
>>
>> I also agree. I took this approach starting last fall. I ordered my
>> new jib and will replace my main after this sailing season. Are the
>> original catalina sails in good shape? According to two sail lofts
>> they are in great shape. When I was told that I wouldn't believe the
>> difference in overall sailing characteristics (pointing higher,
>> significantly reducing rounding up etc) with quality sails (I
>> happened to go with North) I can say the difference is
>> astounding....
>>
>> Orlando, you're probably doing the wise thing with your new boat
>> because my understanding is the 'credit' Catalina gives for ordering
>> without sails is pretty measly.....
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jon Vez
>>
>> -------------- Original message -------------- 
>> From: "Jeff Church" <jjemail at comcast.net>
>>
>> > I agree. It's really frustrating when you have to reef because
>> everything
>> > that should de-power the main has so little effect. This year new
>> jib, next
>> > year new main.
>> >
>> > Jeff
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From:
>> > To: "Catalina 320 List"
>> > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 7:51 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
>> >
>> >
>> > I hated my stock sails....they were worthless....when I buy my new
>> boat, I
>> > will only use the stock sails till I'm ready to leave...2 years at
>> most,
>> > I'll buy new sails for cruising...
>> >
>> > cuba libre 2
>> > -------------------------- 
>> > Regards,
>> > OD
>> >
>> > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>> >
>> >
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