[C320-list] Re: C320-List Digest, Vol 4, Issue 80
Ralph Winkler
capt-wink at aepro.com
Sun Jan 29 14:37:24 PST 2006
Jeff,
I only bought the new genny. But I upgraded from standard crosscut and
dacron since we do allot of evening sails with just the genny. Also he
predicted that I'd get longer overall life in sail shape. Although the OE
sail lasted eight years.
If, (depends on how long we keep Wind Dancer) and when we replace the main I
would consider the stackpac set-up as we have chartered some Catalinas in
the BVI with this set-up and I've been impressed with how easy it is.
Option #2 would be the Forspare boom furler. There is a C30 on our dock
with it (not OE) and the guy really likes it. We also have the Forspare
Sales Manager as a member of our club and he's been giving me some input.
Ball park complete set-up with new main would be between $7500 and $10000.
I really like the 33.3% variance! Shows what a couple beers will do. I
know that I can do the Stacpac for allot less and that could determine the
deal.
Ralph
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> 4. RE: Re: [C320-list] Engine Access (Allan Field)
> 5. New Mainsail (WindSwept)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:45:44 -0600
> From: "Jeff Church" <jjemail at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Re: C320-List Digest, Vol 4, Issue 73
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> Ralph,
>
> Did you also buy a mainsail? If so, what kind, cross cut, tri-radial,
> loose
> footed, etc. I'm thinking that I might spring for the whole suit including
> a
> Stackpack.
>
> Thanks for the jib info.
>
> Jeff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ralph Winkler" <capt-wink at aepro.com>
> To: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 6:28 PM
> Subject: [C320-list] Re: C320-List Digest, Vol 4, Issue 73
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>
>> Jeff
>> In spring of '05 I bought a 155% Quantom from the local Milwaukee shop.
>> Very impressed with the performance and service. They talked to the
>> Quantom office in Houston (?) to confirm measurements and cut design as
>> Houston had allot of 320 experience. I "think the clue is around 20 -24"
>> off the deck.
>>
>> Ralph
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:51:59 -0600
> From: "Jeff Church" <jjemail at comcast.net>
> Subject: [C320-list] Stackpack
> To: "C320" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
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> If anyone has experience with a Doyle Stackpack, I'd appreciate some input
> on whether they like it or not. I'm considering a new main to go along
> with the jib that I just bought (in for a penny, in for a pound), and if I
> go that route I'm very tempted to get a Stackpack with it.
>
> Thanks
>
> JeffC
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 17:24:26 -0800
> From: Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
> To: "Catalina 320 List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
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> So.....your sailmaker knew what he was talking about...Imagine that! :)
>
> cuba libre 2
> --------------------------
> Regards,
> OD
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: C320-List-bounces
> Sent: 01/27/2006 04:06 PM
> To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
>
> Dave,
>
> I did the math. Now I understand what you were getting at. The constant LP
> (155%) keeps the sail area constant regardless of the clew height. I guess
> that's why the sailmaker was pointing out that the trade-off was better
> pointing ability with a lower clew vs. better reaching ability (and
> visibility under the foot) with a higher clew, and sail area wasn't a
> factor
> in that conversation.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jeff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Church" <jjemail at comcast.net>
> To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David J Gleason" <djgleason1 at juno.com>
>> To: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Cc: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 2:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
>>
>>
>>> Jeff:
>>>
>>> Let me first ask you a question. If you are not interested in a deck
>>> sweeper for racing purposes, then why would want a lower clew that does
>>> not provide any more sail area than a higher clew on the same size sail.
>>> Changing the clew position does not provide more sail area.
>>>
>>> On Proud Mary the clew is about 2" above the life lines. There is a 8"
>>> pennant on the tack of the sail so that the foot of the sail will clear
>>> the life line.
>>>
>>> Dave Gleason
>>> Proud Mary, #150
>>>
>>
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> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:44:01 -0500
> From: "Allan Field" <Allan.Field at comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: Re: [C320-list] Engine Access
> To: <kmielen at iwon.com>, "'C320-List'" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
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> I used a Dremel to cut the hole. Much better control.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com
> [mailto:C320-List-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Karl Mielenhausen
> _/)
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:08 AM
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> Subject: FW: Re: [C320-list] Engine Access
>
> Russ,
>
>
>
> I located the access port so that the bottom of the hole was 7" above the
> very bottom of the aft engine cover. I positioned the hole as far forward
> as
> I dared trying to avoid compromising the structural integrity of the cover
> and to leave room for the deckplate flange and its screws, about 2" or so.
> You want to go as far forward as possible to better align with the
> dipstick.
>
>
>
> Here is a new pic with the cover reinstalled:
>
> http://www.catalina320.com/gallery/album91/Engine_Acess_Port
>
>
>
> If I had to do it again, I'd position the hole at 8" not 7". That would
> improve access to the transmission (gearbox) dipstick. Right now it is
> difficult to reach over the engine control cables to get to that dipstick.
> Raising the hole 1" would help without compromising access to the engine
> oil
> dipstick.
>
>
>
> Cutting the cover was easier than I anticipated. Once I laid out the hole
> location, I drilled 2 adjacent 1/8" holes to form a slot for my saber saw
> blade. I used a fine tooth blade to make the cut. It left a nice clean
> edge
> but I had to open up the hole slightly anyway when I was done, since I cut
> it slightly undersize. For that I used a sanding drum on my rotary tool.
>
>
>
>
>
> Karl Mielenhausen
>
> 2000 C320 Hull#690 "Silver Lining"
>
> New Bern, NC
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:08:02 -0600
> From: "WindSwept" <c320_windswept at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [C320-list] New Mainsail
> To: "'C320-List'" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
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> Like someone else I just read aboout I am in the market for a new
> mainsail. First quote I received was from Quantum for a dacron full
> batten main was in the neighborhood of 2,800. Is this reasonable?
>
> Larry
> WindSwept C320 #246
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 21:48:46 -0600
> From: "Jeff Church" <jjemail at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
> To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
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> O,
>
> He better know, and as this transaction progresses, with the help of you
> and
> other owners, I'm hoping that I'll know a little better what I am talking
> about so that I can have more productive discussions with him. I still
> have
> some latitude in how high I have him cut the clew, and because of these
> discussions I know that there are characteristics other than sail area
> that
> I need to discuss with him. I can also tell him that the OEM sail, which
> is
> one of several things that he will refer to as he does his measurements,
> has
> a clew height of about 20". I also know that other owners have had their
> new
> sail cut to either 150% or 155%. He usually builds jibs to 155% because of
> racing rule limitations, but for a cruising boat I question whether 155%
> is
> overkill. Prior to this I thought that 150% was some kind of standard for
> our boat. Maybe the OEM sail are 150% just because Catalina is saving a
> few
> bucks or because the OEM sailcloth won't shape up very well if the sail is
> that large. I'll talk to him some more about that too.
>
> I guess I could have just written him a check for whatever he wants to
> build
> me.
>
> If you have had a new main built, let me know what you bought. I'm
> thinking
> loose footed is the way to go but I'm not sure how to rig the boat for
> that,
> outhaul run back to the cabin top, lazy jacks, etc.
>
> Thanks to all.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com>
> To: "Catalina 320 List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
>
>
> So.....your sailmaker knew what he was talking about...Imagine that! :)
>
> cuba libre 2
> --------------------------
> Regards,
> OD
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: C320-List-bounces
> Sent: 01/27/2006 04:06 PM
> To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
>
> Dave,
>
> I did the math. Now I understand what you were getting at. The constant LP
> (155%) keeps the sail area constant regardless of the clew height. I guess
> that's why the sailmaker was pointing out that the trade-off was better
> pointing ability with a lower clew vs. better reaching ability (and
> visibility under the foot) with a higher clew, and sail area wasn't a
> factor
> in that conversation.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jeff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Church" <jjemail at comcast.net>
> To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David J Gleason" <djgleason1 at juno.com>
>> To: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Cc: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 2:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
>>
>>
>>> Jeff:
>>>
>>> Let me first ask you a question. If you are not interested in a deck
>>> sweeper for racing purposes, then why would want a lower clew that does
>>> not provide any more sail area than a higher clew on the same size sail.
>>> Changing the clew position does not provide more sail area.
>>>
>>> On Proud Mary the clew is about 2" above the life lines. There is a 8"
>>> pennant on the tack of the sail so that the foot of the sail will clear
>>> the life line.
>>>
>>> Dave Gleason
>>> Proud Mary, #150
>>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:21:21 -0800
> From: Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
> To: "Catalina 320 List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
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> I'll get my main and genoa specs for you but I hope youi realize I was
> just kidding with you--this is always such a tough decision!
>
> cuba libre 2
> --------------------------
> Regards,
> OD
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: C320-List-bounces
> Sent: 01/27/2006 07:48 PM
> To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
>
> O,
>
> He better know, and as this transaction progresses, with the help of you
> and
> other owners, I'm hoping that I'll know a little better what I am talking
> about so that I can have more productive discussions with him. I still
> have
> some latitude in how high I have him cut the clew, and because of these
> discussions I know that there are characteristics other than sail area
> that
> I need to discuss with him. I can also tell him that the OEM sail, which
> is
> one of several things that he will refer to as he does his measurements,
> has
> a clew height of about 20". I also know that other owners have had their
> new
> sail cut to either 150% or 155%. He usually builds jibs to 155% because of
> racing rule limitations, but for a cruising boat I question whether 155%
> is
> overkill. Prior to this I thought that 150% was some kind of standard for
> our boat. Maybe the OEM sail are 150% just because Catalina is saving a
> few
> bucks or because the OEM sailcloth won't shape up very well if the sail is
> that large. I'll talk to him some more about that too.
>
> I guess I could have just written him a check for whatever he wants to
> build
> me.
>
> If you have had a new main built, let me know what you bought. I'm
> thinking
> loose footed is the way to go but I'm not sure how to rig the boat for
> that,
> outhaul run back to the cabin top, lazy jacks, etc.
>
> Thanks to all.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com>
> To: "Catalina 320 List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 7:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
>
>
> So.....your sailmaker knew what he was talking about...Imagine that! :)
>
> cuba libre 2
> --------------------------
> Regards,
> OD
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: C320-List-bounces
> Sent: 01/27/2006 04:06 PM
> To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
>
> Dave,
>
> I did the math. Now I understand what you were getting at. The constant LP
> (155%) keeps the sail area constant regardless of the clew height. I guess
> that's why the sailmaker was pointing out that the trade-off was better
> pointing ability with a lower clew vs. better reaching ability (and
> visibility under the foot) with a higher clew, and sail area wasn't a
> factor
> in that conversation.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jeff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Church" <jjemail at comcast.net>
> To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
>
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David J Gleason" <djgleason1 at juno.com>
>> To: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Cc: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 2:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Genoa
>>
>>
>>> Jeff:
>>>
>>> Let me first ask you a question. If you are not interested in a deck
>>> sweeper for racing purposes, then why would want a lower clew that does
>>> not provide any more sail area than a higher clew on the same size sail.
>>> Changing the clew position does not provide more sail area.
>>>
>>> On Proud Mary the clew is about 2" above the life lines. There is a 8"
>>> pennant on the tack of the sail so that the foot of the sail will clear
>>> the life line.
>>>
>>> Dave Gleason
>>> Proud Mary, #150
>>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 22:54:15 -0600
> From: "Jeff Church" <jjemail at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] New Mainsail
> To: "C320-List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
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> Larry,
>
> Last August UK quoted me $2800 for a cruising tape drive main. After
> talking
> to North and Doyle I passed on tape drive, but I'll email the quote to
> you.
> I plan to talk to Doyle this weekend.
>
> JeffC
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "WindSwept" <c320_windswept at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'C320-List'" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:08 PM
> Subject: [C320-list] New Mainsail
>
>
> Like someone else I just read aboout I am in the market for a new
> mainsail.
> First quote I received was from Quantum for a dacron full batten main was
> in
> the neighborhood of 2,800. Is this reasonable?
>
> Larry
> WindSwept C320 #246
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