[C320-list] Unsteping Mast Pro-Con

jonvez at comcast.net jonvez at comcast.net
Wed Sep 13 04:26:38 PDT 2006


Ralph,

I am jealous--If I had the opportunity to store indoors, I would unstep my mast without hesitation! Unfortunately, the very few places that do offer inside storage charge about 3 times what you are paying and are few and far between--

Regards,

Jon Vez

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Ralph Winkler" <capt-wink at aepro.com> 

> We have had Wind Dancer ('96 #394) since '99. The first couple years we 
> stored outside with the mast up. I even bought one of the 320 fitted canvas 
> from the Canvas ?? in New England and it worked great. Yes, leaving the 
> mast up does mean you don't have to cross your fingers and toes with the 
> yard stepping and unstepping every season however, your kidding yourself 
> when it comes to the effects of cold and air pollution. 
> For me, storing inside here in Wisconsin has had it's plus's with easy 
> access to power and water, instruments, cushions, batteries all stay 
> on-board and the batteries get a extra charge boost every couple months. 
> Most of all here in Milwaukee all the yards are in the industrial areas so 
> with inside storage the hull is not subjected to the air pollution and road 
> melt salt (eat your heart out Orlando) during the winter. To me the cost 
> ($1800 for seven months inside) is worth it considering the investment. I 
> guess that it all really boils down to where you are geographically. 
> With storing inside I had to remove the radar dome from the mast each season 
> just because I didn't want to worry about damage moving the mast to the 
> storage rack, so about three years ago I moved the dome to a stern mounted 
> mast from Garhauler. On Lake Michigan the lost ten foot height change of 
> the dome I can live with even going across the lake. 
> 
> Ralph Winkler 
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> > 2. Re: What are the pros/cons of destepping the mast forwinter 
> > storage? (jonvez at comcast.net) 
> > 3. Re: Anchor & chain size? (russgm at yahoo.com) 
> > 4. Re: What are the pros/cons of destepping the mast forwinter 
> > storage? (russgm at yahoo.com) 
> > 5. Re: Anchor & chain size? (Stanley Rogacevicz) 
> > 6. Re: Anchor & chain size? (russgm at yahoo.com) 
> > 7. Re: Blade falls off of Autoprop propeller! (bruceheyman at cox.net) 
> > 8. Re: What are the pros/cons of destepping the mast forwinter 
> > storage? (David Cardoza) 
> > 9. Re: Anchor & chain size? (Stanley Rogacevicz) 
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> > Message: 1 
> > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 06:11:42 -0700 (PDT) 
> > From: "russgm at yahoo.com" 
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Anchor & chain size? 
> > To: C320-List 
> > Message-ID: <20060912131142.62950.qmail at web56915.mail.re3.yahoo.com> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 
> > 
> > chris and co... 
> > On my new boat(C387) I purchased the Spade, whcih is a wonderful 
> > anchor(see Practical Sailor etal), the Rocna appears to be the next step 
> > in this new generation of anchor. Basically, its a copy-cat of the Spade 
> > with the addition of a roll bar, maybe an improvement(I haven't seen 
> > enough testing to know, thatis why I went with the Spade). But in my 
> > research the one to watch is not the Rocna, its the Manson Supreme, who 
> > has copycated the Rocna, tweaked it a bit, and done so at a reduced price! 
> > 
> > http://www.manson-marine.co.nz/SitePages/SupManson.htm 
> > 
> > As with anything like this "Google around" a bit and you will find out 
> > more and more info about them, including what crusiers have to say about 
> > them. 
> > 
> > 
> > Chris Holt wrote: That looks like a great anchor. 
> > Watch the video of their holding tests. It is pretty impressive. 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Bryan Campbell" 
> > To: "C320-List" 
> > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 5:06 PM 
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Anchor & chain size? 
> > 
> > 
> >> Check out the "next generation" of anchors at www.rocna.com/. 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message----- 
> >> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com 
> >> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com]On Behalf Of Timothy Grennan 
> >> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 3:57 PM 
> >> To: C320-List 
> >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Anchor & chain size? 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Hi, 
> >> I have a 15 kg (33 lb.) bruce which is the pattern that the claw is made 
> >> from. I also use 20 ft. of 5/16" HT chain and 200 ft. of 5/8" nylon 
> >> rode. 
> >> I 
> >> cruise in the great lakes and this anchor has served me very well. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Tim G. 
> >> 
> >> jpmesa at aol.com wrote: 
> >> I'm getting ready to upgrade my main anchor & chain and would like to 
> >> get 
> >> some feed back on what the 320 group is using? I was thinking about a 
> >> 30-33 
> >> lb Claw (type)? I like to go one anchor size up. But would love to hear 
> >> from 
> >> others out there. JOHN 
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> > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:11:43 +0000 
> > From: jonvez at comcast.net 
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] What are the pros/cons of destepping the mast 
> > forwinter storage? 
> > To: C320-List 
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> > That is very true--it is a yard by yard consideration, not a regional 
> > one... 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > From: "Lachance, Michael B (ISD, IT)" 
> > 
> >> Just as a point of clarification from a fellow New Englander, some yards 
> >> in New England do in fact require you to unstep. 
> >> Mike LaChance 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message----- 
> >> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com 
> >> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of 
> >> jonvez at comcast.net 
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:55 AM 
> >> To: C320-List 
> >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] What are the pros/cons of destepping the mast 
> >> forwinter storage? 
> >> 
> >> Tim, 
> >> 
> >> I typically take the mast down every 5 years or so. I go up the mast to 
> >> check things out twice a season, but I've found no reason to unstep the 
> >> mast so often--it just creates opportunities for the yard to screw 
> >> things up when they restep. I know some yards require you to unstep, but 
> >> fortunately that is not the case up here in New England... 
> >> 
> >> Regards, 
> >> 
> >> Jon 
> >> 
> >> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> >> From: Tim 
> >> 
> >> > When I bought my boat last year hull #603, the mast was down and had 
> >> > to be stepped at launching. No real issues but I had a minor problem 
> >> > with VHF antenna and one of the stays was connected wrong to the chain 
> >> 
> >> > plate. Now that winter in approaching, I do have the option to store 
> >> > my boat either way and was leaning towards leaving the mast intact. 
> >> Let's here some pros and cons from the group. 
> >> > For me, there is a cost savings but then it would be good to take a 
> >> > good look at the mast while down. Also, I was considering purchasing a 
> >> 
> >> > cover for the winter and can have it made w/ or w/o the mast in place. 
> >> 
> >> > Does this cause the cover to leak a bit? 
> >> > 
> >> > Tim 
> >> > 
> >> > 
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> > Message: 3 
> > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 06:14:25 -0700 (PDT) 
> > From: "russgm at yahoo.com" 
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Anchor & chain size? 
> > To: C320-List 
> > Message-ID: <20060912131425.70336.qmail at web56913.mail.re3.yahoo.com> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 
> > 
> > Stan- 
> > WHen I ought my new boat I did a TON of anchor research, I concluded that 
> > although the Bruce sets very well, it does not hold particularly well. 
> > Have you seen the Practical Sailor articles? As my other post on the this 
> > subject indicates I went with a Spade, but have sights on a Manson 
> > Supreme. 
> > -russ 
> > 
> > Stanley Rogacevicz wrote: The Rocna may very 
> > well be a good anchor but I think their streaming 
> > video is BS. I think the only way you could make a Bruce not set like 
> > that is if the 'beach' they used was a concrete slab with a little sand 
> > dumped on the sections used for the 'other' anchors. For the past 7 
> > years a Bruce 33 has set instantly in all bottoms, in 7-40' of water, 
> > and held/reset in 180 and even 360 degree wind shifts for me. I like a 
> > rope rode but if the wind is high or I have to under scope in a crowded 
> > anchorage I use 1 or more 15 lb. mushrooms as a sentinel that I slide 
> > down the rode on a separate line. 
> > Stan 
> > formerly "Christy Leigh" 
> > c320 #656 
> > Wickford/Narragansett Bay RI 
> > 
> >>>> "Bryan Campbell" 9/11/2006 5:06 PM >>> 
> > Check out the "next generation" of anchors at www.rocna.com/. 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com 
> > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com]On Behalf Of Timothy Grennan 
> > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 3:57 PM 
> > To: C320-List 
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Anchor & chain size? 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi, 
> > I have a 15 kg (33 lb.) bruce which is the pattern that the claw is 
> > made 
> > from. I also use 20 ft. of 5/16" HT chain and 200 ft. of 5/8" nylon 
> > rode. I 
> > cruise in the great lakes and this anchor has served me very well. 
> > 
> > 
> > Tim G. 
> > 
> > jpmesa at aol.com wrote: 
> > I'm getting ready to upgrade my main anchor & chain and would like to 
> > get 
> > some feed back on what the 320 group is using? I was thinking about a 
> > 30-33 
> > lb Claw (type)? I like to go one anchor size up. But would love to hear 
> > from 
> > others out there. JOHN 
> > 
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> > Message: 4 
> > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 06:17:03 -0700 (PDT) 
> > From: "russgm at yahoo.com" 
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] What are the pros/cons of destepping the mast 
> > forwinter storage? 
> > To: C320-List 
> > Message-ID: <20060912131703.77105.qmail at web56901.mail.re3.yahoo.com> 
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> > 
> > Mike did you mean to say 
> > Mike LaChance (Commodore Elect) 
> > -russ 
> > 
> > "Lachance, Michael B (ISD, IT)" wrote: Just as 
> > a point of clarification from a fellow New Englander, some yards 
> > in New England do in fact require you to unstep. 
> > Mike LaChance 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com 
> > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of 
> > jonvez at comcast.net 
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:55 AM 
> > To: C320-List 
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] What are the pros/cons of destepping the mast 
> > forwinter storage? 
> > 
> > Tim, 
> > 
> > I typically take the mast down every 5 years or so. I go up the mast to 
> > check things out twice a season, but I've found no reason to unstep the 
> > mast so often--it just creates opportunities for the yard to screw 
> > things up when they restep. I know some yards require you to unstep, but 
> > fortunately that is not the case up here in New England... 
> > 
> > Regards, 
> > 
> > Jon 
> > 
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > From: Tim 
> > 
> >> When I bought my boat last year hull #603, the mast was down and had 
> >> to be stepped at launching. No real issues but I had a minor problem 
> >> with VHF antenna and one of the stays was connected wrong to the chain 
> > 
> >> plate. Now that winter in approaching, I do have the option to store 
> >> my boat either way and was leaning towards leaving the mast intact. 
> > Let's here some pros and cons from the group. 
> >> For me, there is a cost savings but then it would be good to take a 
> >> good look at the mast while down. Also, I was considering purchasing a 
> > 
> >> cover for the winter and can have it made w/ or w/o the mast in place. 
> > 
> >> Does this cause the cover to leak a bit? 
> >> 
> >> Tim 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> --------------------------------- 
> >> Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! 
> >> Small Business. 
> > 
> > 
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> > Message: 5 
> > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:36:20 -0400 
> > From: "Stanley Rogacevicz" 
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Anchor & chain size? 
> > To: "C320-List" 
> > Message-ID: <45067F93.06B5.0058.0 at holycross.edu> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII 
> > 
> > Russ, 
> > I haven't seen any PS articles in quite a while since the ones that 
> > gave the Bruce fairly high marks on setting but I don't recall their 
> > ranking on Holding. As for Holding the 6 years with a Bruce 33 on the 
> > c320 is a bit oversized and I gave it a quite a few wind shift tests but 
> > never really gave it much of a high (over 15kt) test. But - my NC 331 
> > came with a Bruce 33 knockoff which I think is a bit undersized for the 
> > high windage 18,000 lbs of a pilothouse (44 would be better). On my 
> > delivery from Annapolis to NGBay I gave it a couple pretty good tests at 
> > 15-20kts with a good fetch creating waves that kept me up most of the 
> > night and another 10-15kts night with no wave fetch but a 180 degree 
> > wind shift through the night. No Problems. Although 7 cruising years in 
> > the NE is only 1/2 the anchoring time in the south I'm still at %100 
> > satisfaction so what else can I say - except I still think the Rocna 
> > video is tainted somehow because it's easy enough to do. 
> > Stan 
> > 
> >>>> "russgm at yahoo.com" 9/12/2006 9:14 AM >>> 
> > Stan- 
> > WHen I ought my new boat I did a TON of anchor research, I concluded 
> > that although the Bruce sets very well, it does not hold particularly 
> > well. Have you seen the Practical Sailor articles? As my other post on 
> > the this subject indicates I went with a Spade, but have sights on a 
> > Manson Supreme. 
> > -russ 
> > 
> > Stanley Rogacevicz wrote: The Rocna may 
> > very well be a good anchor but I think their streaming 
> > video is BS. I think the only way you could make a Bruce not set like 
> > that is if the 'beach' they used was a concrete slab with a little 
> > sand 
> > dumped on the sections used for the 'other' anchors. For the past 7 
> > years a Bruce 33 has set instantly in all bottoms, in 7-40' of water, 
> > and held/reset in 180 and even 360 degree wind shifts for me. I like a 
> > rope rode but if the wind is high or I have to under scope in a 
> > crowded 
> > anchorage I use 1 or more 15 lb. mushrooms as a sentinel that I slide 
> > down the rode on a separate line. 
> > Stan 
> > formerly "Christy Leigh" 
> > c320 #656 
> > Wickford/Narragansett Bay RI 
> > 
> >>>> "Bryan Campbell" 9/11/2006 5:06 PM >>> 
> > Check out the "next generation" of anchors at www.rocna.com/. 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com 
> > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com]On Behalf Of Timothy Grennan 
> > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 3:57 PM 
> > To: C320-List 
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Anchor & chain size? 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi, 
> > I have a 15 kg (33 lb.) bruce which is the pattern that the claw is 
> > made 
> > from. I also use 20 ft. of 5/16" HT chain and 200 ft. of 5/8" nylon 
> > rode. I 
> > cruise in the great lakes and this anchor has served me very well. 
> > 
> > 
> > Tim G. 
> > 
> > jpmesa at aol.com wrote: 
> > I'm getting ready to upgrade my main anchor & chain and would like 
> > to 
> > get 
> > some feed back on what the 320 group is using? I was thinking about a 
> > 30-33 
> > lb Claw (type)? I like to go one anchor size up. But would love to 
> > hear 
> > from 
> > others out there. JOHN 
> > 
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> > Message: 6 
> > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 06:47:27 -0700 (PDT) 
> > From: "russgm at yahoo.com" 
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Anchor & chain size? 
> > To: C320-List 
> > Message-ID: <20060912134728.85280.qmail at web56909.mail.re3.yahoo.com> 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 
> > 
> > Stan- 
> > Here is the PS article, there was also a follow up in April on anchors...I 
> > don't think any reasonably intelligent person could confuse those Rocna 
> > videos with a valid anchoring test either! BUt nonetheless I have read 
> > failry positive things, on my new C387 I went with 150' of chain and a 45# 
> > Spade you cannot make a mistake with a Spade, it was the first of the "New 
> > generation" and is tried and true. It sets easy, it holds very well, and 
> > resets well if required. As you can see I am also a fan of chain, 
> > whatever you got, chain makes it better. 
> > -russ 
> > 
> > Stanley Rogacevicz wrote: Russ, 
> > I haven't seen any PS articles in quite a while since the ones that 
> > gave the Bruce fairly high marks on setting but I don't recall their 
> > ranking on Holding. As for Holding the 6 years with a Bruce 33 on the 
> > c320 is a bit oversized and I gave it a quite a few wind shift tests but 
> > never really gave it much of a high (over 15kt) test. But - my NC 331 
> > came with a Bruce 33 knockoff which I think is a bit undersized for the 
> > high windage 18,000 lbs of a pilothouse (44 would be better). On my 
> > delivery from Annapolis to NGBay I gave it a couple pretty good tests at 
> > 15-20kts with a good fetch creating waves that kept me up most of the 
> > night and another 10-15kts night with no wave fetch but a 180 degree 
> > wind shift through the night. No Problems. Although 7 cruising years in 
> > the NE is only 1/2 the anchoring time in the south I'm still at %100 
> > satisfaction so what else can I say - except I still think the Rocna 
> > video is tainted somehow because it's easy enough to do. 
> > Stan 
> > 
> >>>> "russgm at yahoo.com" 9/12/2006 9:14 AM >>> 
> > Stan- 
> > WHen I ought my new boat I did a TON of anchor research, I concluded 
> > that although the Bruce sets very well, it does not hold particularly 
> > well. Have you seen the Practical Sailor articles? As my other post on 
> > the this subject indicates I went with a Spade, but have sights on a 
> > Manson Supreme. 
> > -russ 
> > 
> > Stanley Rogacevicz wrote: The Rocna may 
> > very well be a good anchor but I think their streaming 
> > video is BS. I think the only way you could make a Bruce not set like 
> > that is if the 'beach' they used was a concrete slab with a little 
> > sand 
> > dumped on the sections used for the 'other' anchors. For the past 7 
> > years a Bruce 33 has set instantly in all bottoms, in 7-40' of water, 
> > and held/reset in 180 and even 360 degree wind shifts for me. I like a 
> > rope rode but if the wind is high or I have to under scope in a 
> > crowded 
> > anchorage I use 1 or more 15 lb. mushrooms as a sentinel that I slide 
> > down the rode on a separate line. 
> > Stan 
> > formerly "Christy Leigh" 
> > c320 #656 
> > Wickford/Narragansett Bay RI 
> > 
> >>>> "Bryan Campbell" 9/11/2006 5:06 PM >>> 
> > Check out the "next generation" of anchors at www.rocna.com/. 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com 
> > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com]On Behalf Of Timothy Grennan 
> > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 3:57 PM 
> > To: C320-List 
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Anchor & chain size? 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi, 
> > I have a 15 kg (33 lb.) bruce which is the pattern that the claw is 
> > made 
> > from. I also use 20 ft. of 5/16" HT chain and 200 ft. of 5/8" nylon 
> > rode. I 
> > cruise in the great lakes and this anchor has served me very well. 
> > 
> > 
> > Tim G. 
> > 
> > jpmesa at aol.com wrote: 
> > I'm getting ready to upgrade my main anchor & chain and would like 
> > to 
> > get 
> > some feed back on what the 320 group is using? I was thinking about a 
> > 30-33 
> > lb Claw (type)? I like to go one anchor size up. But would love to 
> > hear 
> > from 
> > others out there. JOHN 
> > 
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> > Message: 7 
> > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:50:10 +0000 
> > From: bruceheyman at cox.net 
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Blade falls off of Autoprop propeller! 
> > To: "C320-List" 
> > Message-ID: 
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> > Content-Type: text/plain 
> > 
> > Jon, 
> > In the information that I got from the PO I found an envelope with the SN 
> > of our H5BB on the outside, a letter from Steve Armatage and a couple 
> > pages on how to maintain the prop, including how to adjust the bearings 
> > (tourque down to 14 ft lbs or 18 NM and then back of 1/4 turn). The most 
> > dificulty I had was tightening the lock nut with out it adjusting the 
> > tension on the bearings. 
> > 
> > I would be happy to make a copy and send to you if that would help. 
> > Bruce 
> > Somerset 671 SoCal 
> > Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: jonvez at comcast.net 
> > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:09:28 
> > To:C320-List 
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Blade falls off of Autoprop propeller! 
> > 
> > Larry, 
> > 
> > Did the procedure you mention from AP come with the propeller? I don't 
> > believe I received the procedure you are referring to... 
> > 
> > Regards, 
> > 
> > Jon Vez 
> > 
> > -------------- Original message -------------- 
> > From: "WindSwept" 
> > 
> >> Bruce, 
> >> 
> >> I'll respond here to a couple of things. 
> >> 
> >> You took a hit on the 240 Buicks so I won't comment on that. The correct 
> >> unit on the torque is 14 ft-lbs or 18 NM per the instructions I received. 
> >> My torque wrench is calibrated in inch pounds and NM. 14 ft pounds is 168 
> >> inch-pounds. Any of the three will work. 
> >> 
> >> The website doesn't really talk about bearing adjustment. It really just 
> >> adresses cleaning out of the bearings. 
> >> 
> >> This weekend I checked the bearing adjustment and followed the AB Marine 
> >> procedure where you back off the retaining cap by 1/4 turn. I also have 
> >> the 
> >> procedure recommended by Steve, but decided to go with the procedure 
> >> provided by the designers and manufacturers over the distributor. I have 
> >> no 
> >> reason to believe that Steve's procedure wouldn't be perfectly fine and 
> >> it 
> >> is easier to follow. 
> >> 
> >> When the bearings are adjusted using the procedure provided by the 
> >> designers 
> >> of the autoprop, the blades spin smoothly and there is just a small 
> >> amount 
> >> of play in the bearings. 
> >> 
> >> Larry 
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: 
> >> To: "C320-List" 
> >> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 6:44 PM 
> >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Blade falls off of Autoprop propeller! 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> > Larry, 
> >> > Sorry you lost the blade! I'd be very interested in how freely the 
> >> > blades 
> >> > rotate when you get your prop back from the factory. I just rebuilt 
> >> > ours 
> >> > but on the direction of Steve Armitage I did NOT follow the original 
> >> > instructions. The original instructions call for you to tourque down on 
> >> > the adjustments for each blade to 14 nm (I know I have the number right 
> >> > but not sure about the units) and then back off 1/4 turn. Steve told me 
> >> > to just tighten them down until there was no play in any direction and 
> >> > the 
> >> > blades still rotate freely. The rebuild kit was about 240 buicks and 
> >> > fairly easy to do. Hardest part was getting everything good and clean. 
> >> > I 
> >> > also have the H5BB so no grease. 
> >> > Bruce 
> >> > Somerset 671 SoCal 
> >> > Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless 
> >> > 
> >> > -----Original Message----- 
> >> > From: "Robert E. Sloat" 
> >> > Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 09:41:36 
> >> > To:"C320-List" 
> >> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Blade falls off of Autoprop propeller! 
> >> > 
> >> > Check out their website at http://ab-marine.com/. There is all kind of 
> >> > installation information and 
> >> > maintenance procedures for the various model Autoprop propellers. Mine 
> >> > is 
> >> > the H5 model which does not require any greasing. For the models which 
> >> > require greasing, they suggest every 2 years. The installation 
> >> > instructions 
> >> > for my prop suggest rotating the blades at haul out to make sure they 
> >> > freely 
> >> > move and gives information on bearing replacement kits when needed. 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> > From: "WindSwept" 
> >> > To: "'C320-List'" 
> >> > Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 8:59 AM 
> >> > Subject: [C320-list] Blade falls off of Autoprop propeller! 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > A funny thing happened on the way to the ship yard this spring for my 
> >> > semi-annual bottom job. Well maybe not so funny. 
> >> > 
> >> > Carla and I spent the night at anchor in a cove about 1/2 mile from the 
> >> > yard 
> >> > the prior to dropping off WindSwept. 
> >> > 
> >> > After hauling anchor when we tried to motor over to the yard the boat 
> >> > shook 
> >> > terribly at any RPMs above idle. 
> >> > 
> >> > We quickly anchored again and I dove below the boat to find out what 
> >> > was 
> >> > wrapped around the prop, but was amazed to find that one of the three 
> >> > blades 
> >> > of my Autoprop was just......missing! 
> >> > 
> >> > We managed to sail to the yard which is located up a narrow channel and 
> >> > moor 
> >> > in the haul up slip. Luckily the wind was from a favorable direction. 
> >> > 
> >> > To make a long story shorter, I had the fixed three blade that came 
> >> > with 
> >> > WindSwept reinstalled and sent the Autoprop to AB Marine for analysis 
> >> > and 
> >> > repair. The prop had to be sent back to the factory in the UK so the 
> >> > engineers could look at it and a new blade could be fabricated. 
> >> > 
> >> > The reason for the failure was that the bearings were excessively worn 
> >> > causing too much torque to be applied on the mechanical fastenings that 
> >> > hold 
> >> > the blades on. 
> >> > 
> >> > At this point I think it is relevant to mention that I had purchased 
> >> > the 
> >> > Autoprop used about 7-8 years ago from a 320 owner who had traded up. I 
> >> > do 
> >> > not believe I received all the paperwork that one would normally 
> >> > receive 
> >> > with a new Autoprop. This paperwork discusses the need to inspect and 
> >> > adjust the bearings at each haulout. AB Marine sells a kit for this 
> >> > purpose. 
> >> > 
> >> > I was upset with AB Marine as through the years I have had many 
> >> > discussions 
> >> > on this subject and even though I asked about maintenance, this was 
> >> > never 
> >> > mentioned. In their defense, they probably thought I had the original 
> >> > instruction sheets for installation and maintenance. As an engineer I 
> >> > was 
> >> > amazed that I didn't need to do any maintenance on a bearing in this 
> >> > type 
> >> > of 
> >> > service. The autoprop had been on WindSwept for four years without 
> >> > maintenance before the failure occurred. 
> >> > 
> >> > The point of all this is that I think this was a preventable situation 
> >> > had 
> >> > I 
> >> > know to inspect the bearings for excessive looseness and adjust every 
> >> > year 
> >> > or two as needed. 
> >> > 
> >> > I plan on having the Autoprop put back on in a couple of weeks as I can 
> >> > definitely say it really improves boat speed and handling in all 
> >> > situations. 
> >> > I will inspect it annually and disassemble and adjust bearing 
> >> > clearances 
> >> > every other year at a minimum. 
> >> > 
> >> > I wanted to share my experience with others in the hopes that you don't 
> >> > experience the same problem. In another situation it could have been 
> >> > much 
> >> > more disastrous. 
> >> > 
> >> > Larry 
> >> > WindSwept C320 #246 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
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> > Message: 8 
> > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 09:56:13 -0400 
> > From: "David Cardoza" 
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] What are the pros/cons of destepping the mast 
> > forwinter storage? 
> > To: "'C320-List'" 
> > Message-ID: 
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 
> > 
> > I truck the boat home every year so I have to un-step. I like having the 
> > Boat in the back yard. I have a shore power hookup and fair cloth cover 
> > and 
> > can put a little heat in the boat when I want to get a head start on 
> > spring. 
> > Besides it's cheaper than winter storage at a yard and I think I do a 
> > better 
> > job on the bottom than the yard does. I can also have a mechanic from the 
> > regional Yanmar distributor go over the engine without having issues about 
> > not using yard mechanics. The cost is a little over 1k per year and 
> > includes the crane to step and un-step. The only negative I find is that 
> > the hull does settle a little on blocks without the mast and stays up. 
> > When 
> > it first hits the water the stays seem short but after about 24 hrs fit 
> > just 
> > fine. I assume it's the whole keel supporting the boat on blocks / boat 
> > supporting the keel on water thing. 
> > 
> > Another thing I remember about storing the mast down at the yard one year 
> > was they charged extra to store the mast on top of the stepping fee. 
> > 
> > See all you New Englanders at the Newport boat show. 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com 
> > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Tim 
> > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 10:44 PM 
> > To: C320 List 
> > Subject: [C320-list] What are the pros/cons of destepping the mast 
> > forwinter 
> > storage? 
> > 
> > When I bought my boat last year hull #603, the mast was down and had to be 
> > stepped at launching. No real issues but I had a minor problem with VHF 
> > antenna and one of the stays was connected wrong to the chain plate. Now 
> > that winter in approaching, I do have the option to store my boat either 
> > way 
> > and was leaning towards leaving the mast intact. Let's here some pros and 
> > cons from the group. For me, there is a cost savings but then it would be 
> > good to take a good look at the mast while down. Also, I was considering 
> > purchasing a cover for the winter and can have it made w/ or w/o the mast 
> > in 
> > place. Does this cause the cover to leak a bit? 
> > 
> > Tim 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > Message: 9 
> > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:16:42 -0400 
> > From: "Stanley Rogacevicz" 
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Anchor & chain size? 
> > To: "C320-List" 
> > Message-ID: <45068909.06B5.0058.0 at holycross.edu> 
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> > 
> > Russ, 
> > I assume you attempted an attachment - nope - but that's ok because 
> > in general I agree that the Spade design is good. Actually since I have 
> > a dual roller and dual locker I may replace the CQR all chain (it needs 
> > all the help it can get) with a Spade type since I have no need to Plow 
> > any furrows in the seabed with a CQR Plow I may sell it for an upgrade 
> > to a Spade as my secondary anchor. I may also upgrade to a Bruce 44 
> > which will still be my primary which has always done fine with rope. 
> > Shame on you.... giving me good excuses to spend a few hundred more 
> > $$$$$$$$$$$. 
> > Stan 
> > 
> >>>> "russgm at yahoo.com" 9/12/2006 9:47 AM >>> 
> > Stan- 
> > Here is the PS article, there was also a follow up in April on 
> > anchors...I don't think any reasonably intelligent person could confuse 
> > those Rocna videos with a valid anchoring test either! BUt nonetheless 
> > I have read failry positive things, on my new C387 I went with 150' of 
> > chain and a 45# Spade you cannot make a mistake with a Spade, it was 
> > the first of the "New generation" and is tried and true. It sets easy, 
> > it holds very well, and resets well if required. As you can see I am 
> > also a fan of chain, whatever you got, chain makes it better. 
> > -russ 
> > 
> > Stanley Rogacevicz wrote: Russ, 
> > I haven't seen any PS articles in quite a while since the ones that 
> > gave the Bruce fairly high marks on setting but I don't recall their 
> > ranking on Holding. As for Holding the 6 years with a Bruce 33 on the 
> > c320 is a bit oversized and I gave it a quite a few wind shift tests 
> > but 
> > never really gave it much of a high (over 15kt) test. But - my NC 331 
> > came with a Bruce 33 knockoff which I think is a bit undersized for 
> > the 
> > high windage 18,000 lbs of a pilothouse (44 would be better). On my 
> > delivery from Annapolis to NGBay I gave it a couple pretty good tests 
> > at 
> > 15-20kts with a good fetch creating waves that kept me up most of the 
> > night and another 10-15kts night with no wave fetch but a 180 degree 
> > wind shift through the night. No Problems. Although 7 cruising years 
> > in 
> > the NE is only 1/2 the anchoring time in the south I'm still at %100 
> > satisfaction so what else can I say - except I still think the Rocna 
> > video is tainted somehow because it's easy enough to do. 
> > Stan 
> > 
> >>>> "russgm at yahoo.com" 9/12/2006 9:14 AM >>> 
> > Stan- 
> > WHen I ought my new boat I did a TON of anchor research, I concluded 
> > that although the Bruce sets very well, it does not hold particularly 
> > well. Have you seen the Practical Sailor articles? As my other post 
> > on 
> > the this subject indicates I went with a Spade, but have sights on a 
> > Manson Supreme. 
> > -russ 
> > 
> > Stanley Rogacevicz wrote: The Rocna may 
> > very well be a good anchor but I think their streaming 
> > video is BS. I think the only way you could make a Bruce not set like 
> > that is if the 'beach' they used was a concrete slab with a little 
> > sand 
> > dumped on the sections used for the 'other' anchors. For the past 7 
> > years a Bruce 33 has set instantly in all bottoms, in 7-40' of water, 
> > and held/reset in 180 and even 360 degree wind shifts for me. I like a 
> > rope rode but if the wind is high or I have to under scope in a 
> > crowded 
> > anchorage I use 1 or more 15 lb. mushrooms as a sentinel that I slide 
> > down the rode on a separate line. 
> > Stan 
> > formerly "Christy Leigh" 
> > c320 #656 
> > Wickford/Narragansett Bay RI 
> > 
> >>>> "Bryan Campbell" 9/11/2006 5:06 PM >>> 
> > Check out the "next generation" of anchors at www.rocna.com/. 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com 
> > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com]On Behalf Of Timothy Grennan 
> > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 3:57 PM 
> > To: C320-List 
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Anchor & chain size? 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi, 
> > I have a 15 kg (33 lb.) bruce which is the pattern that the claw is 
> > made 
> > from. I also use 20 ft. of 5/16" HT chain and 200 ft. of 5/8" nylon 
> > rode. I 
> > cruise in the great lakes and this anchor has served me very well. 
> > 
> > 
> > Tim G. 
> > 
> > jpmesa at aol.com wrote: 
> > I'm getting ready to upgrade my main anchor & chain and would like 
> > to 
> > get 
> > some feed back on what the 320 group is using? I was thinking about a 
> > 30-33 
> > lb Claw (type)? I like to go one anchor size up. But would love to 
> > hear 
> > from 
> > others out there. JOHN 
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