[C320-list] Club Racing the C320
Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com
Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com
Wed Aug 29 14:34:42 PDT 2007
Kirk,
BTW, first thing I didn't like about it was the below decks layout, the
sluggishness was simply the topper.. :)
"Kirk
McCullough"
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Adam
You and Orlando seem to agree on the sluggishness of the C350. So that,
along with the fact that my wife is not crazy about the below decks layout
will kill it for us.
Kirk
#124
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Weiner" <esquirecatering at rcn.com>
To: "'C320-List'" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>I have only seen a few and I have rocketed past each one (even with a
> two bladed fixed). Get a test sail and bring along a portable GPS to
> look at speed.
>
> Adam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Kirk McCullough
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:27 PM
> To: C320-List
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>
>
> Adam, are the C350's really slow? I have looked at them as a possible
> move
> up.
>
>
> Kirk
>
> #124
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Weiner" <esquirecatering at rcn.com>
> To: "'C320-List'" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>
>
>> David, everything you say is absolutely true, correct, and perfect.
>> No argument from me. And, I drove a Dodge Magnum once in Kauai, nice
>> car.
>>
>>
>> As for me, I seriously race anything under 45 feet going in the same
>> general direction except C350's. They are so slow that's not fun. I
>> generally give everyone a good run for it except recently a Saber 37
>> just beat the foul weather gear off me.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Dave Moores
>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 6:49 PM
>> To: 'C320-List'
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>>
>>
>> Adam, I said that "some of us want it all", and I reckon the 320 comes
>> close. I don't race against the sailboat equivalent of Porsches. I
>> race
>> "SERIOUSLY" against similar boats that are optimised for PHRF, and we
>
>> have great, intense, competitive "SERIOUS" racing. Nothing wrong with
>> that I hope. Then I still have this fine cruiser when the racing's
>> over. In fact, because of the 320's nice underwater shape with the
>> elliptical keel, rudder and all, it repays a little care and tuning so
>
>> that you can surprise people, and that is the biggest kick of all!
>>
>> Call it more of a Dodge Magnum, not a Suburban, how does that work?
>> Careful with the answer, that's what I drive. For similar reasons.
>>
>> Dave M
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of steve smith
>> Sent: August 27, 2007 8:53 PM
>> To: 'C320-List'
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>>
>>
>> Come on what did he say?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Adam Weiner
>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:49 PM
>> To: 'C320-List'
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>>
>> I guess that is a good answer. It's kind of like buying a Suburban
>> and then try to figure out how to out accelerate a Porsche. Our boats
>
>> are great boats, wonderful boats, terrific boats but they aren't
>> serious racers. We could have all bought a J105 or equivalent but we
>> opted for the C320 (a much better choice) and then we get upset with
>> anyone who doesn't want to trick it out and a fair amount of expense
>> to make it go a bit faster in winds under 12 knots. (By the way, ask
>> Gerry Douglas what he thinks about folding props on the boat--which I
>> did point blank, man to man at the Strictly Sail show. I never wanted
>
>> to write what he said on here because I don't need any more hate mail
>> then I already
>> get.)
>>
>> Warmest regards,
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Dave Moores
>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 5:36 PM
>> To: 'C320-List'
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>>
>>
>> Adam: BECAUSE SOME OF US WANT IT ALL!
>>
>> Dave M
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Adam Weiner
>> Sent: August 27, 2007 8:33 PM
>> To: 'C320-List'
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>>
>>
>> I only have one question: If you want to race seriously then what in
>> the hell are you doing with a Catalina 320? Notice I didn't respond
>> to the comment about me?
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Scott Thompson
>> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 4:03 PM
>> To: C320-List
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>>
>>
>> Because the rules are made by serious racers, and no serious racer
>> wants
>>
>> a rule change that would generally make it better to have a slower
>> sailing boat. Few racers, even on San Francisco Bay, share Adam's
>> rapture about the the benefits of using a fixed prop as a brake! The
>> rules are thus biased in favor of racing gear over cruising gear, and
>> no
>>
>> one believes that they equalize all boats. If that's what you are
>> after
>>
>> switch to a strict one design class and get out of PHRF.
>>
>> For what it's worth, I believe that folding props are faster than
>> feathering ones, and if you really want to race successfully you will
>> do
>>
>> better with a small two-bladed folder that folds into a really compact
>
>> and streamlined package (e.g. the nicer Martec) than with any other
>> prop. On the other hand, if you are really that serious about racing
>> then the 320 isn't a very good choice of boat in the first place. I
>> love to cruise my 320 and I love to race. But I race boats that are
>> designed for speed, not cruising comfort.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> chris denny wrote:
>>> If it is generally accepted that a folder is that much of a benefit,
>>> why is the allowance for a fixed prop not greater? I thought the idea
>
>>> was
>> to
>>> make things "equal". Is 6 seconds the "standard addition" for a
>>> fixed
>>
>>> prop?
>>> cd #328
>>> Peter Clancy wrote:
>>>
>>>> Casual racers may underestimate the value of relatively small speed
>>>> improvements.
>>>>
>>>> For example, assume a course is 15 nautical miles long. If you have
>>>> a
>>
>>>> modest 1/2 knot per mile speed advantage (with a folding prop) over
>> an
>>>> identical boat with a fixed prop and you average 6.5 knots, by the
>>>> time you reach the finish you'll be at least 10 minutes ahead of
>>>> the
>>
>>>> slower boat. If that boat has a 6 second per mile rating advantage
>> due
>>>> to a fixed prop, he only gains 90 seconds or 1.5 minutes when
>>>> corrected. Generally speaking, the lighter the air, the greater the
>>>> benefit of a folding prop. We raced 'AROBAN' successfully for
>>>> several
>>
>>>> years with a Gori two-blade folder and took first in class in last
>>>> October's Columbus Day Regatta which is South Florida's largest
>> annual
>>>> sailboat race.
>>>> The C320 is a capable racer especially when tweaked and sailed for
>>>> optimum speed.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Clancy
>>>> 'AROBAN' #222 (former owner)
>>>> Miami, FL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Origi nal Message ----- From: Joe
>>>> Barrett<mailto:joe at dolphinmortgage.com> To:
>>>> 'C320-List'<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com> Sent: Tuesday, August
>
>>>> 21, 2007 9:19 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If going from a fixed to a feathering/folding prop gains you
>>>> 1/2-3/4
>>
>>>> knot of speed do the math. The 6 seconds you loose makes getting a
>>>> feathering/folding prop a no brainer. Joe Barrett
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:
>>>>
>> c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320
>> .o
>> rg>
>>>>
>>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of chris denny
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:05 AM
>>>> To: C320-List
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>>>>
>>>> If a folder is that much help, why does having a fixed prop get
>>>> you just 6 seconds on your adjusted PHRF? CD #328
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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