[C320-list] Club Racing the C320

[Kirk McCullough]

Definitely an omen not to be ignored.:)

Kirk

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Adam Weiner" <esquirecatering at rcn.com>
To: "'C320-List'" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320


> Your wife is a smart woman for marrying you and for her criticism of the
> interior.  The first time I went below I turned to my sailing buddy and
> I said "I sure wouldn't want to be down here while the boat was moving.
> You would kill yourself."
>
> And Orlando and I only rarely agree so when that happens you had better
> take it as an omen. . .
>
> Adam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Kirk McCullough
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:13 PM
> To: C320-List
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>
>
> Adam
>
> You and Orlando seem to agree on the sluggishness of the C350. So that,
> along with the fact that my wife is not crazy about the below decks
> layout
> will kill it for us.
>
> Kirk
> #124
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Adam Weiner" <esquirecatering at rcn.com>
> To: "'C320-List'" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>
>
>>I have only seen a few and I have rocketed past each one (even with a
>>two bladed fixed).  Get a test sail and bring along a portable GPS to
>>look at speed.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Kirk
>> McCullough
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:27 PM
>> To: C320-List
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>>
>>
>> Adam, are the C350's really slow? I have looked at them as a possible
>> move up.
>>
>>
>> Kirk
>>
>> #124
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Adam Weiner" <esquirecatering at rcn.com>
>> To: "'C320-List'" <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>>
>>
>>> David, everything you say is absolutely true, correct, and perfect.
>>> No argument from me. And, I drove a Dodge Magnum once in Kauai, nice
>>> car.
>>>
>>>
>>> As for me, I seriously race anything under 45 feet going in the same
>>> general direction except C350's.  They are so slow that's not fun.  I
>
>>> generally give everyone a good run for it except recently a Saber 37
>>> just beat the foul weather gear off me.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Dave Moores
>>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 6:49 PM
>>> To: 'C320-List'
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam, I said that "some of us want it all", and I reckon the 320
> comes
>>> close.   I don't race against the sailboat equivalent of Porsches.  I
>>> race
>>> "SERIOUSLY" against similar boats that are optimised for PHRF,  and
>>> we
>>
>>> have great, intense, competitive "SERIOUS" racing. Nothing wrong with
>
>>> that I hope. Then I still have this fine cruiser when the racing's
>>> over. In fact, because of the 320's nice underwater shape with the
>>> elliptical keel, rudder and all, it repays a little care and tuning
>>> so
>>
>>> that you can surprise people, and that is the biggest kick of all!
>>>
>>> Call it more of a Dodge Magnum, not a Suburban, how does that work?
>>> Careful with the answer, that's what I drive. For similar reasons.
>>>
>>> Dave M
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of steve smith
>>> Sent: August 27, 2007 8:53 PM
>>> To: 'C320-List'
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>>>
>>>
>>> Come on what did he say?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Adam Weiner
>>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 8:49 PM
>>> To: 'C320-List'
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>>>
>>> I guess that is a good answer.  It's kind of like buying a Suburban
>>> and then try to figure out how to out accelerate a Porsche.  Our
>>> boats
>>
>>> are great boats, wonderful boats, terrific boats but they aren't
>>> serious racers.  We could have all bought a J105 or equivalent but we
>
>>> opted for the C320 (a much better choice) and then we get upset with
>>> anyone who doesn't want to trick it out and a fair amount of expense
>>> to make it go a bit faster in winds under 12 knots.  (By the way, ask
>
>>> Gerry Douglas what he thinks about folding props on the boat--which I
>
>>> did point blank, man to man at the Strictly Sail show.  I never
>>> wanted
>>
>>> to write what he said on here because I don't need any more hate mail
>
>>> then I already
>>> get.)
>>>
>>> Warmest regards,
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Dave Moores
>>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 5:36 PM
>>> To: 'C320-List'
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam: BECAUSE SOME OF US WANT IT ALL!
>>>
>>> Dave M
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Adam Weiner
>>> Sent: August 27, 2007 8:33 PM
>>> To: 'C320-List'
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>>>
>>>
>>> I only have one question:  If you want to race seriously then what in
>
>>> the hell are you doing with a Catalina 320?  Notice I didn't respond
>>> to the comment about me?
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Scott
>>> Thompson
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 4:03 PM
>>> To: C320-List
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>>>
>>>
>>> Because the rules are made by serious racers, and no serious racer
>>> wants
>>>
>>> a rule change that would generally make it better to have a slower
>>> sailing boat.  Few racers, even on San Francisco Bay, share Adam's
>>> rapture about the the benefits of using a fixed prop as a brake!  The
>
>>> rules are thus biased in favor of racing gear over cruising gear, and
>
>>> no
>>>
>>> one believes that they equalize all boats.  If that's what you are
>>> after
>>>
>>> switch to a strict one design class and get out of PHRF.
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, I believe that folding props are faster than
>>> feathering ones, and if you really want to race successfully you will
>
>>> do
>>>
>>> better with a small two-bladed folder that folds into a really
>>> compact
>>
>>> and streamlined package (e.g. the nicer Martec) than with any other
>>> prop.  On the other hand, if you are really that serious about racing
>
>>> then the 320 isn't a very good choice of boat in the first place.  I
>>> love to cruise my 320 and I love to race.  But I race boats that are
>>> designed for speed, not cruising comfort.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> chris denny wrote:
>>>> If it is generally accepted that a folder is that much of a benefit,
>
>>>> why is the allowance for a fixed prop not greater? I thought the
>>>> idea
>>
>>>> was
>>> to
>>>> make things "equal".  Is 6 seconds the "standard addition" for a
>>>> fixed
>>>
>>>> prop?
>>>> cd #328
>>>> Peter Clancy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Casual racers may underestimate the value of relatively small speed
>
>>>>> improvements.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example, assume a course is 15 nautical miles long. If you have
>
>>>>> a
>>>
>>>>> modest 1/2 knot per mile speed advantage (with a folding prop) over
>>> an
>>>>> identical boat with a fixed prop and you average 6.5 knots, by the
>>>>> time you reach the finish  you'll be at least 10 minutes ahead of
>>>>> the
>>>
>>>>> slower boat. If that boat has a 6 second per mile rating advantage
>>> due
>>>>> to a fixed prop, he only gains 90 seconds or 1.5 minutes when
>>>>> corrected. Generally speaking, the lighter the air, the greater the
>
>>>>> benefit of a folding prop. We raced 'AROBAN' successfully for
>>>>> several
>>>
>>>>> years with a Gori two-blade folder and took first in class in last
>>>>> October's Columbus Day Regatta which is South Florida's largest
>>> annual
>>>>> sailboat race.
>>>>> The C320 is a capable racer especially when tweaked and sailed for
>>>>> optimum speed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Clancy
>>>>> 'AROBAN' #222 (former owner)
>>>>> Miami, FL
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  ----- Origi nal Message -----  From: Joe
>>>>> Barrett<mailto:joe at dolphinmortgage.com>  To:
>>>>> 'C320-List'<mailto:c320-list at catalina320.com>  Sent: Tuesday,
>>>>> August
>>
>>>>> 21, 2007 9:19 AM
>>>>>  Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  If going from a fixed to a feathering/folding prop gains you
>>>>> 1/2-3/4
>>>
>>>>> knot of  speed do the math. The 6 seconds you loose makes getting a
>
>>>>> feathering/folding prop a no brainer.  Joe Barrett
>>>>>
>>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>>  From:
>>>>>
>>> c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com<mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina32
>>> 0
>>> .o
>>> rg>
>>>>>
>>>>>  [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.com] On Behalf Of chris
>>>>> denny
>>>>>  Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 10:05 AM
>>>>>  To: C320-List
>>>>>  Subject: Re: [C320-list] Club Racing the C320
>>>>>
>>>>>     If a folder is that much help, why does having a fixed prop get
>
>>>>> you just 6  seconds on your adjusted PHRF?  CD #328
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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