[C320-list] packing gland & listing to port

Sat Oct 20 11:20:06 PDT 2007

Academically, it would seem that the lever arm effect of sitting on
the edge of the deck would exert more downward force affecting list.
Lower is better for minimizing inertial effect of motion when sailing,
of course. I don't seem to have much noticable effect sitting anyhwere
on starboard, but increase list noticibly when on the port side...go
figure.

On 10/20/07, Orlando.Duran at averydennison.com
<Orlando.Duran at averydennison.com> wrote:
> The weight needs to be lower, on the deck won't work....
> ----------------------------------
> Regards,
> OD
>
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>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Burti" [clburti at gmail.com]
> Sent: 10/20/2007 10:35 AM
> To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] packing gland & listing to port
>
> Well, I am acarrying bout 100# more than that I don't level the boat
> sitting on the rail. :-(
>
> On 10/20/07, Orlando.Duran at averydennison.com
> <Orlando.Duran at averydennison.com> wrote:
> > Well, if you do put ballast in, Gerry recommend 170# of lead behind the head sink...
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------
> > Regards,
> > OD
> >
> > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris Burti" [clburti at gmail.com]
> > Sent: 10/20/2007 06:11 AM
> > To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] packing gland & listing to port
> >
> > Yes... I really am considering adding ballast. It just kills me that I
> > can't point the same on both tacks. As we haven't loaded Commitment
> > down with junk, she shows a couple inches of bottom paint below the
> > design waterline and I can afford the weight if I stick it midships.
> >
> > But, I am intrigued by Jeff's assertion that the mast is not centered
> > if the shrouds are equal in length. Since most mastheads are
> > symmetrical this is how you plumb the mast after verifying that the
> > base is centered. Now, if the base of a deck stepped mast is not
> > centered (something you should check because, surprisingly, it appears
> > to occur often enough) then you do have to make an adjustment as Jeff
> > suggested, I have measured the base and it is centered, I have plumbed
> > my mast in the traditional way and I still have a list. Now, if there
> > is something funky about the masthead...inquiring minds want to know.
> >
> > Oh, add me to the GFX packing group also...three years and loving it.
> >
> > Got a couple of comments on the mechanical dripless seal concept...I
> > know it is debating religion, but it is Saturday and I am obviously
> > not sailing. I am of the school that thinks it it imprudent to trust
> > rubber for birth control or keeping your boat afloat. I already have
> > some down there (intake hoses, shaft log, etc.) and don't care to add
> > more.
> >
> > If the bellows fails, your boat will sink unless you can get your rag
> > and bucket working fairly quickly. The assertion that there has never
> > been a documented "catastrophic" failure may be true but, is also
> > unprovable BS. All that it means to me is that the owners got the leak
> > stopped in time or they haven't had one sink at the dock or where they
> > could recover the hull and blame it on a burst bellows.
> >
> > My belief is that the most likely time one of these things would fail
> > is while the engine is in operation and shaft is turning. Given the
> > the high quality of the components, the most likely cause would seem
> > be some improperly stored something tangling the shaft in heavy seas
> > and damaging the bellows (of course from 'statistical' viewpoint that
> > sinking wouldn't be 'caused' by the seal, it would be 'caused' by the
> > skipper's 'negligence', heheheh).Too many boats go down taking water
> > for "unknown reasons" off shore in just these conditions and the hulls
> > are never recovered. Some of those must have had dripless seals. It
> > used to be that a selling point was the fact the Coasites used them...
> > News Flash..they are now going to GFX as well.
> >
> > Note that these seals are a proven product and I doubt that if I
> > bought a boat with one installed that I would be very concerned about
> > removing it, but I can't see me spending the money installing one
> > where $10 worth of GFX (in my case it was free...better yet) provides
> > the same results and no concerns.
> >
> > I have a dry bilge generally but haven't figured out how to keep from
> > adding about a quart of water when I pull my speed transducer after
> > each sail to avoid barnacles.
> >
> > On 10/19/07, Orlando.Duran at averydennison.com
> > <Orlando.Duran at averydennison.com> wrote:
> > > Please tell me you're kidding about putting in 300lbs of stainless steel to level out the boat!!
> > >
> > > A good place to store a 1-2gal gas container is in the anchor locker, it has an 'exhaust' hole..
> > > ----------------------------------
> > > Regards,
> > > OD
> > >
> > > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chris Burti" [clburti at gmail.com]
> > > Sent: 10/19/2007 12:54 PM
> > > To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] packing gland & listing to port
> > >
> > > Yes...the [port list is 'normal'. On my "to do" list is scrounging
> > > about 300 pounds of stainless scrap to level it out.
> > >
> > > Don't leave the gasoline on the boat as a precaution. I only carry it
> > > aboard when I leave on a cruise intending to take the dinghy. Not only
> > > is it a bit safer, it is always fresh. I recommend the anchor locker,
> > > it is vented better top and bottom.
> > >
> > > On 10/19/07, Moondancer5 at comcast.net <Moondancer5 at comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Now that I've had the boat back for a bit, and the weather has been highly cooperative, I have a couple of questions on what's normal. Thanks in advance for all advice!
> > > >
> > > > Not having had a cruiser before, we did not realize the amount of leaking from the packing gland was abnormal, until we were splashed this spring and the bilge pump wasn't working... after our marina adjusted it, we had our little incident with the powerboat wake and the whole engine had to be reset on the mounts and the shaft re-aligned, and at the dealer the bilge was dry. After the boat was delivered back to us there was quite a bit of water in the bilge (and the auto pump hadn't been left on). Now we see that after every afternoon of sailing, the shaft still drips after the engine has been shut off. I don't imagine that adjusting the d**n thing after each sail is normal, I had heard it should do is shed a drop of water every minute while the engine is running, and none after it's shut off. What's normal?
> > > >
> > > > And, I notice (and noticed before the accident) a slight (but distinct) list to port. Is THAT normal?
> > > >
> > > > One more while I'm here: Where do you store your gasoline tank for the dinghy when it's not in use? When at our marina in the slip, we put the Zodiac on a rack and the outboard on the rail (which has totally messed up the nice little slot there where we had the Lifesling mounted, now it won't fit in there with the outboard on the bracket). We are putting the gas tank in the starboard stern locker, I believe the a/c compressor is in that area too. is that safe?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Susan
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > Chris Burti
> > > Farmville, NC
> > >
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