[C320-list] Chargers Xantrex Install

[Monte B.]

If the 30 fails like the 20 you will get to buy batteries at the same time
Irv.

Monte
Laima #620

-----Original Message-----
From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
[mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Irving Grunes
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 8:24 PM
To: C320-List at catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Chargers Xantrex Install

Kirk and All
I know that you can strip back some strands to make the existing cables fit
the Xantrex 20.  but the bus bar scheme seems very logical and so I would
like to know where and what some of u have used as a bus bar system.

Irv grunes #851
BTW we replaced the Promariner 20 with a Promariner 30 that was recommended
by the Pro Mariner people.  I do not really rest easy with that charger and
will change it when I find that the batteries are not doing well with it.
Irv Grunes


On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:37 PM, Jon Vez <jonvez at comcast.net> wrote:

> Bob,
>
> You can attach the wiring directly to the Xantrex, however you have to
> peel
> back enough strands from the larger cable until it fits into the charger.
> I
> received Jeff Hare's okay on this approach (which was good enough for me).
> I
> used insulated cable clamps to ensure the wires would stay secure and this
> has worked great for 4 seasons...Let me know if you would like more info
> on
> the install. I can try and take a picture over the next few days if you
> like..
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon Vez
> Solstice #582
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Robert E.
> Sloat
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:44 AM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Chargers Xantrex Install
>
> Irv-My post crossed yours.  We have close hull numbers.  I am installing
> the
>
> Xantrex after it is received which will probably be next week.  I assume
> you
>
> also have the Flyback 20-3, so after I install mine I can let you know if
> you can attach the existing wiring directly to the charger.
>
> Bob Sloat
> Hull 894
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
> To: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Chargers...still!
>
>
> > Hi,
> > Thinking of changing our charger to the Xantrex 20..
> > Can you please identify the "bus bar system" by mfg, part number, source
> > and
> > estimated price that you used to get the wire size reduction.
> > Irv Grunes
> > $851
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Kirk McCullough
> > <kirk.mccullough at telus.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I recently installed the Xantrex 20 with good results. As Jon mentions
> I
> >> mounted it on a board then used the same footprint for the old charger
> to
> >> mount the board and charger in place. On Boomerang the charger was in
> the
> >> cockpit locker on the bulkhead with the galley.
> >>
> >> I installed a bus bar to handle the change down to smaller 8 ga wire
> the
> >> Xantrex takes. I left the  larger wires in place running to each
> battery
> >> bank.
> >>
> >> I also installed the now  recommended breakers on each bank. Xantrex
> >> specifies the size of the breakers, I don't recall size off hand, but I
> >> mounted them between the charger outputs and the buss bar.
> >>
> >> It took most of a day but it's a great charger. I also installed a Link
> >> 10
> >> battery monitor to keep tabs on my 2X 4D house bank.
> >>
> >> Kirk
> >> #124
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> >> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Jon Vez
> >> Sent: 22 April 2008 17:00
> >> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Chargers...still!
> >>
> >> Brian,
> >>
> >> I have the 20 amp Xantrex. Many on the list have gone with the 40. I
> find
> >> the 20 to be just fine as I am in a slip with shore power. The
> >> installation
> >> is not quite a drop in replacement. The footprint is different and you
> >> will
> >> have to install a board to accommodate it. The connecters are also
> >> different
> >> and you will have to either put a bus bar in to go from the bigger wire
> >> coming from the boat to the smaller (I believe 8 gauge but could be 6)
> >> needed to go into the charger.
> >>
> >> If you're interested, I would be happy to send you my Promariner for
> the
> >> cost of shipping. Mine was working fine when I took it out of the boat,
> >> but
> >> when I went with the new AGM's I did not want to chance it going bad so
> I
> >> swapped out the charger at that time. This may be an inexpensive short
> >> term
> >> option--if interested you're welcome to it...
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Jon Vez
> >> Solstice #582
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> >> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Amirault
> >> Family - S&B
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:54 PM
> >> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> >> Subject: [C320-list] Chargers...still!
> >>
> >> An administrative matter out of the way first. Bruce, thank you for the
> >> details of the "Allan Treatment". I am not leaking at the moment, but
> >> this
> >> appears to be a sound preventative procedure and I have always
> preferred
> >> prevention to cure. It will be done this spring and going forward. You
> >> too
> >> can come looking for libation when in town without fear of rejection.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bear came with the original charger and with modified wiring as the PO
> >> had
> >> installed a separate starting battery under the port settee. On
> delivery
> >> the
> >> batteries were not completely connected and I did this function as
> seemed
> >> appropriate while on the hard pre-launch. At that time I connected the
> >> shore
> >> power cable and with the charger switched on, the panel meter
> immediately
> >> went to hard-right full charge. This struck me as not normal so I
> turned
> >> off
> >> the charger and disconnected it from the battery terminal. I charged
> the
> >> batteries using a smart charger connected to the boat's AC supply.
> >> Through
> >> this process I discovered that the two house 4Ds were not holding
> charge
> >> and
> >> I replaced them with four 6V AGMs.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It is now a year later and I will shortly have the local boat
> electrician
> >> look at the system to determine whether I have a mere connection issue
> >> with
> >> the charger or if the charger is toast.  I have been charging batteries
> >> from
> >> the alternator the past year, and the batteries really got very little
> >> use
> >> as we never had an opportunity at overnighting  in the way we did with
> >> our
> >> previous boat. For the next five years I will be docked at a sail club
> >> which
> >> has shore power available only at the short-stay service dock.  The
> boat
> >> will motor out and back to the races Thursday nights and spend
> one-to-two
> >> night overnights every week or two in the brief Canadian summer with a
> >> one
> >> week trip thrown in I intend to continue to use the original alternator
> >> for
> >> the next three years or unto death; whichever comes first.  I intend to
> >> supplement the alternator with a small portable generator which will be
> >> connected to the shore power plug at the boat's stern and power the
> >> boat's
> >> internal charger through this.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The question for you all is, in the event that a new charger is in
> order,
> >> and as xantrex seems to get the majority of the positive responses
> here,
> >> what size/model charger is required given the constraints above? Is
> >> charger
> >> replacement a straight swap, or are there other considerations or items
> >> to
> >> be purchased. The upgrades budget this year was exhausted with a new
> head
> >> sail and Kiwi prop.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards;
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Brian Amirault
> >>
> >> 797 Waltzing Bear, too
> >>
> >>
>
>