[C320-list] Xantrex shore charger

Sat Feb 16 13:27:51 PST 2008

Jon

Wow, it sounds like a miracle of technology, I'll definitely get one!

Kirk
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Vez" <jonvez at comcast.net>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Xantrex shore charger

> Kirk,
>
> A 50 Amp Combiner costs about 50 bucks and you can install it in about 10
> minutes. You simply connect each lead to the 1 and the 2 setting on the 
> back
> of your Battery selector. It's about the size of a pack of gum so you 
> simply
> attach it behind the electrical panel. The advantage is not only being 
> able
> to charge both batteries, it also will keep the two batteries isolated
> automatically--
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Kirk
> McCullough
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 2:41 AM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Xantrex shore charger
>
> thanks Jon
>
> Great input I'll check out WM for the preswaged wiring. I'll go with 4 
> AWG.
>
> I don't have a combiner so for now I'll need to marshall the charge time
> between House and Starter as we motor. Oh well, I need to go below for a
> cold one from time to time anyway. :)
>
> Kirk
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jon Vez" <jonvez at comcast.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Xantrex shore charger
>
>
>> Kirk,
>>
>> Since the wire runs to the shunt are short in distance, 4 is fine. I
>> actually bought the pre-swaged 4AWG with the gold coated eyes at WM. I
>> think
>> I bought the 12 inch lengths. As far as the monitoring since it is the
>> single battery monitor and the shunt only *sees* the house bank (mine is
>> set
>> up like yours--2 4D's wired together for a single house) and that is the
>> only one I care about monitoring since my starter is always full. I also
>> use
>> a battery combiner so that I can charge both the house and starter while
>> motoring from the single alternator feed while the battery selector is 
>> set
>> to my starting battery...
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Kirk
>> McCullough
>> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 3:32 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Xantrex shore charger
>>
>> Jon yes this helps. I saw the drawing for your boat that I believe Jeff
>> did
>> for you.
>>
>> I'll get a block and mount it by the batteries as you did, this would
>> allow
>> me to connect all the negative loads to that block, then to the shunt,
>> then
>> out of the shunt to the negative battery post. What size wire did you use
>> to
>>
>> connect the shunt to the battery and the new terminal block.? The 
>> negative
>> load cables on Boomerang are all #4 wire. Would this be big enough to
>> connect the shunt?
>>
>> I am thinking based on what you said about the L10 not seeing the 
>> starting
>> battery when switched to position #2 must be the fact that the shunt does
>> not pick up the load from the start battery, I guess because its wired
>> only
>> to the house bank.
>>
>> Thanks Again
>>
>> Kirk
>>
>> #124
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jon Vez" <jonvez at comcast.net>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Xantrex shore charger
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Kirk,
>>>
>>> Probably best for the true expert Jeff Hare to weigh in, but my DC 
>>> ground
>>> is
>>> simply through the existing Neg circuit so I did not add an additional.
>>> As
>>> far as the Link 10--it will only monitor one bank--if I understand your
>>> question correctly, when switch to the starter, the L10 will not then
>>> monitor that bank. I ended up epoxying a small block next to my battery
>>> bank
>>> and mounted the shunt there. I simply had my house bank run to the shunt
>>> along with appropriate L10 wires as indicated in the instructions. So 
>>> all
>>> of
>>> the loads that come through my house bank are monitored via the
>>> batteries.
>>> Hope this helps, but if you still have questions don't hesitate to 
>>> ask...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jon Vez
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Kirk
>>> McCullough
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:01 PM
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Xantrex shore charger
>>>
>>> Again thanks to Herb, Jon, Bill, Karl, Allan, Jeff and all.
>>>
>>>    -More Questions
>>>
>>> I am starting the installation and have purchased breakers which I will
>>> install
>>> between the charger and each battery bank to solve that problem. They
>>> were
>>> recommended over fuses by the electrical installer at our yard.
>>>
>>> The Xantrex also has a chassis ground. How/where did you all connect to
>>> this ground. Is the DC ground going into the Neg connection on the
>>> charger
>>> not the same as the chassis ground point. Can I simply jumper over to 
>>> the
>>> chassis ground connection from the Neg terminal or do I need to run a
>>> separate wire back to the ground behind the electrical panel?
>>>
>>> I also purchased the Link 10 and want to install it. I saw the drawing 
>>> on
>>> the website, and see that all loads need to be connected after the 
>>> shunt.
>>> These loads inlcude the charger, the windlass, the DC panel etc. Can I
>>> connect those cables
>>> directly to the shunt terminal or do I need a separate ground connector
>>> installed somewhere near the battery. I intend to use the Link 10 for 
>>> the
>>> house bank only (2 X 4D), but if I switch to the starting battery will
>>> the
>>> Link
>>> 10 then monitor the starting battery? I have the house on position #1 
>>> and
>>> the
>>> starting Batt on position #2.
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Jon Vez" <jonvez at comcast.net>
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 5:37 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Xantrex shore charger
>>>
>>>
>>>> Kirk,
>>>>
>>>> The fuses are actually a bit hard to find for the size of the cabling. 
>>>> I
>>>> ended up getting them from Crutchfield--they are sold for automotive
>>>> purposes, but they are gold coated and corrosion is not an issue....
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Jon Vez
>>>> Solstice #582
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Kirk
>>>> McCullough
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 9:43 PM
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Xantrex shore charger
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Bill I do remember the story of the fire, and yes my hull #124
>>>> does
>>>> not currently have them, so as part of my new Xantrex installation I
>>>> will
>>>> add the fuses. I bought the TC 40+ and the manual asks for a DC cct
>>>> breaker
>>>> or DC fuse and disconnect rated at 50 amps at each bank.
>>>>
>>>> I now need to look around for this hardware, should be easy to find I
>>>> expect.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again to all who have given me some great input.
>>>>
>>>> Kirk
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Bill
>>>> Culbertson
>>>> Sent: 10 February 2008 13:18
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Xantrex shore charger
>>>>
>>>> Kirk,
>>>>
>>>> re: DC fuse at each battery.  I believe that your older (#124) boat 
>>>> does
>>>> not
>>>> have them unless you or someone added them.
>>>> At some point (I don't know when) Catalina added them to the production
>>>> model.  My boat #859 has them and
>>>> they're documented in the electrical drawings for the boat.  The fuses
>>>> are
>>>> inline in the charger -> battery cable
>>>> about 4"-6" before the connection to the battery.  Catalina may have
>>>> started
>>>> fusing the battery charger lines after the fire on
>>>> Kit Carson's boat.  Kit contributes to this maillist, is a member of 
>>>> the
>>>> 320
>>>> association and has attended most or all of
>>>> the annual regattas.
>>>>
>>>> -bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: Kirk McCullough <kirk.mccullough at telus.net>
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 2:59:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Xantrex shore charger
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to all for the quick responses. I'm off to the boat show
>>>> (Vancouver)
>>>> today to make the purchase. Not sure which way I will go,  but now I
>>>> know
>>>> that either will do the job, and I just need to analyze my own needs. 
>>>> We
>>>> do
>>>> stay on the hook for several days at a time, but then we balance that
>>>> out
>>>> with a a couple of days dockside. For days when Boomerang is at her
>>>> homeport, I have
>>>> never run the fridge when not on board because of the Pro-Mariner
>>>> concerns.
>>>> So a big improvement will be cold drinks whenever I go to the boat. And
>>>> the
>>>> constant humming will be history!
>>>>
>>>> The part about existing wiring size working for the 10+ but not 20+ may
>>>> influence me.
>>>>
>>>> I found a Xantrex manual on line and for both the 20+ and 40+ chargers
>>>> they
>>>> call for a fuse on the DC side for each battery bank. I don't believe I
>>>> have
>>>>
>>>> fuses on each bank with the Pro-Mariner. Has everyone installed these 
>>>> as
>>>> part of the project?
>>>>
>>>> I like Herb's idea to mount it on a back panel, this would retain the
>>>> existing 4 mounting holes on the bulkhead.
>>>>
>>>> I have the 2 x 4D paralleled for the house bank on position #1 and a
>>>> group
>>>> 27 starter on position #2.
>>>>
>>>> I am seriously looking at the link 20 also. I understand this is much
>>>> better
>>>>
>>>> than the remote monitor they offer. Has anyone added the temperature
>>>> sensor?
>>>>
>>>> Kirk
>>>> #124
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Jon Vez" <jonvez at comcast.net>
>>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 10:10 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Xantrex shore charger
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Kirk,
>>>>>
>>>>> I used the Xantrex 20 for a 400ah house and a group 27 starter (don't
>>>>> recall
>>>>> how many amp hours that one is). When I did this project I replaced my
>>>>> batteries (died and early death from the ProMariner) and added the
>>>>> starter.
>>>>> Very easy job (Herb's description is very good). The only difference
>>>>> for
>>>>> me
>>>>> is I did not use a bus bar. Instead I peeled off just enough wiring to
>>>>> fit
>>>>> the 4awg into the monel fittings (with Mr. Hare's advice)...has worked
>>>>> great
>>>>> for 4 seasons...
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon Vez
>>>>> Solstice #582
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Kirk
>>>>> McCullough
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:29 AM
>>>>> To: C320-List
>>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Xantrex shore charger
>>>>>
>>>>> I know this has been discussed already, but I would like to know what
>>>>> size
>>>>> charger is needed or best suited. I am considering the Xantrex iether
>>>>> 20
>>>>> amp
>>>>> or 40 amp.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any installation tips would also be much appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kirk
>>>>>
>>>>> Boomerang #124
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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