[C320-list] flat screen LCD

Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com
Fri Mar 28 19:25:22 PDT 2008 

Or the antique dinosaur watching the old tv...  :)
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Regards,
OD

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Hare" [catalina at thehares.com]
Sent: 03/28/2008 07:20 PM
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] flat screen LCD

Technology evolves so fast... Coming from the high speed PC design analysis
business, most PC-Boards made for these sorts of consumer products have a
conformal coating over them just to prevent copper corrosion and protect the
traces from the air, but don't have all the soldered terminal connections
coated.  Some companies require specialty coatings over everything after
assembly as Chris mentioned.

My guess here is that by the time you start having problems because of salt
air, your grand-kids will be laughing at that antique dinosaur of a TV
you're sporting on your boat.

-Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
[mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Chris Block
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Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 9:28 PM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] flat screen LCD

I work for an electronics manufacturer and we do conformal coating for some 
of our customers.  I wonder if the risk of opening the back of a flat screen

and having it coated is worth the risk?

Amore 139


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] flat screen LCD


> Some might be concerned regarding the effect of salt air on the  internal 
> circuit boards.  Most such boards have a conformal coating,  making that 
> concern moot.
> Battery contacts, antenna connections, and some of the TV controls (do 
> TV's even have control 'knobs' anymore?) may be of some minor concern.
> To date, we've had two computers, a car stereo, and a handheld GPS  unit 
> aboard, without problems.  None were 'marine' units.
> Although the computers currently serve for DVD's, we'll likely install  an

> LCD TV onboard some day.  It won't be a 'marine' unit.  We'll just  pay 
> our money and take our chances.  If 'marine' units are so  necessary, how 
> can computers, TV's, stereos, etc survive in the houses  and cars of 
> people that work and reside along the shore?
>
> Bob
>
> On Mar 28, 2008, at 8:39 PM, Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com wrote:
>
>> On cuba libre 2 I had a 13" Magnavox that I would put on the nav  table 
>> and use just the rabbit ears. Used for 6 years, left on the  boat all of 
>> the time (salt water environment), never had a problem.
>>
>> On cuba libre 3 I have 2- 20" flat screen lcds w/ dvd player along  with 
>> a flat screen 13" at the nav station to network my E120 chart  plotter 
>> (no dvd), almost 2 years now, again, no problems so far
>> ----------------------------------
>> Regards,
>> OD
>>
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>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Warren Updike" [wupdike at hotmail.com]
>> Sent: 03/28/2008 05:01 PM
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] flat screen LCD
>>
>> We bought a Sylvania 15" lcd W/dvd, $300.  It is mounted over the  nav 
>> table on a swing-out double jointed wall-mount bracket.  We run  it on a 
>> 400W inverter that plugs in with a typical 12V lighter  plug.  A bigger 
>> inverter may require larger cables and direct  battery attachment. 
>> Within 15-20 mi. of major cities, Balt. Wash.  DC, we get 2+ channels 
>> with a bow tie antenna inside the boat.   Beyond that reception is catch 
>> as catch can.  We use it mainly for  DVDs.  Other than weather, I 
>> couldn't care less for most programs.   In the Winter, we bring the TV 
>> home and use it in the guest room. So  far, two seasons, it has been 
>> fine.
>>
>> Having said all that, the Chesapeake Bay is considered inland  waters, 
>> mostly fresh above the Bay Bridge, and not at all  deleterious to 
>> equipment.  In salty environments, especially on the  open ocean, all 
>> bets could be off. Otherwise, we have been very  happy with the 
>> arrangements.
>>
>> Warren & Pattie Updike
>> C320, #62, 1994, "Warr De Mar"
>> Frog Mortar Creek, Middle River
>> Chesapeake Bay
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane & Ken" <obuoy4848 at sbcglobal.net
>> >
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 2:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] flat screen LCD
>>
>>
>>> All T.V. 320 owners,
>>> With the demise of analog signals for tv's, we decided to replace  our 
>>> trusted color set, purchased new at the time of delivery of  hull number

>>> 219, with a new digital set flat screen.  I especially  enjoyed John 
>>> Frost's information concerning his set.
>>> When we went to the big box showroom to purchase the set--we were  told 
>>> in no uncertain terms that the warrantee would be void if we  installed 
>>> the set in a boat!!  We asked why, and were told that the  marine 
>>> environment is death to all the new sets available today--I  explained 
>>> that our current set had been in operation since 1994 and  still worked 
>>> fine--He said he had several customers who installed  new sets and the 
>>> picture "tube" died in less than a year.
>>>
>>> I find this strange, but would appreciate any 'real life'  experience 
>>> from folk who have had either "flat" or even "plasma"  screens in their 
>>> boats for over a year--other boats in our marina  have 'new' sets but 
>>> have not complained about premature deaths.   Our sales person 
>>> recommended only a specific tv designed for marine  environments, which 
>>> he did not sell--so I suppose he was not a  "bait and switch" person.
>>>
>>> Since we have until next Feburary, if someone has a problem in a  couple

>>> of months, I would appreciate knowing about it.  We keep the  boat at 
>>> Lake Texoma, halfway between OKLA. CITY and DALLAS.
>>> Thanks in advance,  Ken Cathey,  OBUOY  #219
>>>
>>> John Frost <john at frostnet.net> wrote:
>>> Sorry, Bill...my memory fails me on that one. I do remember that it  was
>>> difficult to judge the brackets in their packaging. The one I kept  has 
>>> good
>>> friction elements on the hinges that you can set as tight as you  like 
>>> with
>>> an Allen wrench. I think that is important. So is robustness and 
>>> folding
>>> very flat. The big boxes don't seem to mind me trying a few out.
>>>
>>> John Frost
>>> 2007 C320 MKII, Hull # 1118
>>> Lake Guntesville, AL
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Bill
>>> Culbertson
>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:34 AM
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] flat screen LCD
>>>
>>> As long as we're asking you about model numbers, can you provide 
>>> make/model
>>> of the mount you chose too? It seems like a good find.
>>>
>>> -bill
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: John Frost
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 11:07:08 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] flat screen LCD
>>>
>>> It was a Panasonic "HD Widescreen LCD TV/DVD Combo" Model 1513-TDXB
>>> Circuit City has it for $240.
>>>
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Polaroid-15-4-LCD-HDTV-1511-TLXB/sem/rpsm/oid
>>> /175907/catOid/-12867/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
>>>
>>> It fit like a glove and left a little room on the shelf below for
>>> miscellaneous things. I'll send a picture to Jerry and Irving.
>>>
>>> John Frost
>>> 2007 C320 MKII, Hull # 1118
>>> Lake Guntesville, AL
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Jerry 
>>> Brown
>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:05 AM
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] flat screen LCD
>>>
>>> Hi John
>>>
>>> I am also looking to outfit a MKII with a small flat screen in the  same
>>> location. What model Panasonic is it?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Jerry Brown
>>> Indigo #1137
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Frost"
>>> To: "'C320-List'"
>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 9:36 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] flat screen LCD
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sig
>>>>
>>>> At risk of revealing my cruising versus racing bent, I'll give you  my
>>>> thoughts. I am still outfitting my MKII and had the same question.  You
>>>> have
>>>> several choices to include three bulkheads and under either side 
>>>> combing.
>>>> To
>>>> avoid the back of heads bumping into the tv, we chose to mount  over 
>>>> the
>>>> new
>>>> hanging locker on the port bulkhead, similar to Stan but higher.  This
>>>> won't
>>>> allow a monster size, but it is completely out of the way and is 
>>>> simple to
>>>> wire back to home base. To pick the actual unit, I took the exact
>>>> dimensions
>>>> to all my local stores and climbed in back of the units to find  the 
>>>> ones
>>>> that had an external power supply, AKA "wall wart". These allow  you to

>>>> use
>>>> 12 volts DC without using an inverter by simply splicing into the 
>>>> power
>>>> supply cable. (Funny, no one at the stores knew that)Out of the  dozens
>>>> that
>>>> I examined, I found one that exactly fit the space, ran on 12v and  had

>>>> a
>>>> DVD
>>>> internal. It was a Panasonic. It also will take computer input and 
>>>> play
>>>> from
>>>> memory cards/sticks.
>>>>
>>>> Next came the mount. I ended up buying 5 or 6 candidates and  taking 
>>>> them
>>>> all
>>>> to the boat. One stood out as obviously more robust and flatter so  it
>>>> stayed. Some had advised us to mount directly on the bulkhead to  avoid
>>>> flopping on a tack, but we found most of the screens we looked at
>>>> completely
>>>> washed out if viewed from below the horizontal. The mount we went  with
>>>> allows pulling the unit close to the seating positions for that "big
>>>> screen
>>>> feeling" and then firmly stows.
>>>>
>>>> Lastly, I am now wiring the sound output into my stereo to make  Jimmy
>>>> Buffet
>>>> DVDs sound like he is there.
>>>>
>>>> Now, back to the moving thru the water with gusto stuff.
>>>>
>>>> John Frost
>>>> 2007 C320 MKII, Hull # 1118
>>>> Lake Guntesville, AL
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: c320-list-bounces at catalina320.org
>>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at catalina320.org] On Behalf Of Stanley 
>>>> Rogacevicz
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 7:28 AM
>>>> To: c320-list at catalina320.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] flat screen LCD
>>>>
>>>> Sig,
>>>> You can see my in/through bulkhead installation at
>>>> http://www.catalina320.com/gallery/album62/DSC00477 I ran it off a
>>>> 1000 watt inverter live to all AC outlets to handle the microwave 
>>>> also.
>>>> Stan
>>>> (formerly) Christy Leigh
>>>> #656
>>>> Wickford/Narragansett Bay RI
>>>>
>>>>>>> "Sigmund Ancerewicz MD" 1/30/2008 6:01 PM >>>
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>> I'll be taking delivery of a mkII hull #1129 about May 1st. On my  old 
>>>> C28
>>>> #120, I had a 19" LCD flat panel running off 120 V which I used 
>>>> dockside
>>>> and
>>>> got amazingly good over the air HD reception using just rabbit  ears. 
>>>> My
>>>> question: Of those who have a TV what size, make, AC or DC and 
>>>> location do
>>>> you recommend. Any special pre-wiring that I should be doing now 
>>>> before
>>>> the
>>>> initial launch.
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Sig Ancerewicz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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