[C320-list] Overheating alarm Yanmar 3ym30-2006-Hull #1089
David Marecek
David.Marecek at ca.fujitsu.com
Fri Oct 3 15:11:01 PDT 2008
Susan
I have a 2004 C320 with the 3YM30. I have been having over heating
issues this year where anything above 2400 RPM drives temperature above
180. I understand 180 is the std operating temp. I sail in cool
northern BC waters, so I get a very standard intake temp for cooling
I have had mechanics go through entire cooling system and no issues
were found. Only other symptom seems to be limited water coming through
the exhaust system. The exhaust system was also checked with no visible
issues.
I have done some searches on the topic in the forum and there are a
couple of threads re this topic that seem to have some suggestions
based on various symptoms that you may recognize. I found a couple that
I will use to check things out
Try Searching on at http://groups.google.com/group/c320-list
Overheating
-----Original Message-----
From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
[mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Kurt
Budelmann
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:56 AM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Overheating alarm Yanmar 3ym30-2006-Hull #1089
Susan,
I have a Yanmar 3YM-30, year 2005. The first year all was fine. The
second
year the engine overheated running at wide open throttle after 15
minutes.
It usually runs a temp of 180 degrees, but overheats when it hits 220
degrees. I was told I did not have to change antifreeze every year
initially, but Yanmar told me I have to change it yearly even if it is
Dexcool. Since I have changed the antifreeze it does not overheat as
easily.
__
Kurt R. Budelmann, M.D.
Laurens County Medical Associates, P.A.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Rasco" <Moondancer5 at comcast.net>
To: <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 11:10 AM
Subject: [C320-list] Overheating alarm Yanmar 3ym30-2006-Hull #1089
> Apologies in advance for the lengthy question!
>
> Wondering if anyone has had a similar problem: I have no previous
> experience with diesel engines, (the 320 arrived at the dealer in May
> 2006) and had not tended to use the engine for more than docking and
> getting in & out of the creek to the Bay. The overheating alarm went
off
> once or twice on very hot days last year, and, thinking of it like a
car
> engine, I figured it was weather-related and shutting down the engine
> made it go away. This season, using the boat more and traveling on
some
> windless days, I discovered that running the engine at 3000 rpms,
after
> 20 minutes the gauge showed about 220 degrees, and the alarm would go
> off. (There were no clogs or problems with the cooling that we could
> find.)
>
> Our marina called the Yanmar local technician who found that the
engine
> temperature was running about 40 degrees lower than the pedestal
gauge
> showed, and the tach fluctuated when running the blower switch; and
he
> replaced the sender switch. He tested it at the dock for half an
hour: no
> alarm. I took the boat out some days later and the alarm went off
after
> 20-30 minutes at 2500 rpms, gauge again at 220-230 degrees. An
> electrician from Yanmar came and found a "problem at helm where
Catalina
> splices harness for their dash panel, 2 ground wires were screwed
onto
> bus bar & screw was 90% on wire insulation... " which he cut back and
> reconnected.
>
> I took the boat out and ran it at 3000 again, and after 20 minutes the
> gauge went up to 220 and the alarm went off again. Dropping down to
2500
> the gauge stayed up, dropping down to 2000 the alarm finally stopped
and
> the gauge shows 180. And now, the autopilot seems to engage when the
> 'auto' button is pressed, but if I select any of the degree buttons
to
> adjust course, the autopilot flashes "drive stopped" and does not
adjust
> course.
>
> I'm told the boat is out of warranty at this point and, apart from the
> $500 spent on the 50 hour Yanmar warranty service, I am so far in $800
> for the electrial work, which seems to be faulty installation during
the
> boat's construction. What I'd like to know is--what is the normal
> operating temperature for this engine at these speeds? At what
> temperature / operating rpms would one normally expect the engine to
> overheat and the alarm to go off? And has anyone with a 320 built in
the
> past 3 years had similar problems with the electrical installation at
the
> helm? Our engine has around 100 hours on it, we only had it in the
water
> for 3 months in 06, and last year, due to an incident with a
powerboat
> wake, we also only had it in the water for 3 months of use. This has
been
> our first 'full season' of sailing.
>
> Thanks much,
>
> Susan Rasco
>
>
>
>
>
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> wrote:
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>> 1. Re: Reversing can be easier (Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com)
>> 2. Re: Need Inflatable ( Rick Evans )
>> 3. Re: Reversing can be easier (Chris Burti)
>> 4. Re: Reversing can be easier (catalina at thehares.com)
>> 5. Re: Reversing can be easier (Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com)
>> 6. Re: engine overheating (catalina at thehares.com)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:44:23 -0700
>> From: Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Reversing can be easier
>> To: "C320-List" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Message-ID:
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>> It's not that simple and I know that most people on this list like
to
>> write in and get an absolute to their question...
>>
>> The true advantage of a folding/feathering prop is in lighter winds:
in
>> lower than say, 10kn, with a 3blade, you would go 3-4kn, with a
folder,
>> You could do 5-6kn....in higher winds it narrows but only slightly
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------
>> Regards,
>> OD
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Len [aqua5len at gmail.com]
>> Sent: 06/25/2008 10:36 AM
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Reversing can be easier
>>
>> Exactly how much increase (over 3-blade fixed) in "speed under sail"
do
>> you
>> get with folding/feathering prop in, say, 10 to 12 knot wind on 60
>> degree
>> reach or beam reach?
>>
>> Len
>> AQUA5 #1070
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 7:44 AM, <Orlando.Duran at averydennison.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I never had any issues with the 3-bladed prop relative to
performance
>>> or
>>> 'prop-walk'--it always worked extremely well.
>>>
>>> I just hated the fact that I had to give up 1kn+ under sail to get
that
>>> performance...it is a sailboat after all...
>>>
>>> Admittedly, in So Cal we never have to worry about currents, cross-
>>> winds in
>>> the marina (all slips are oriented upwind and downwind),
winterizing
>>> :), etc
>>>
>>> I just didn't see the benefit of the prop vs losing speed under
sail.
>>>
>>> On my 440 I installed a 3-bladed Flex-o-Fold prop and love
>>> it...although
>>> not self-pitching in reverse, it works great and of course, under
sail,
>>> no
>>> performance problems
>>> ----------------------------------
>>> Regards,
>>> OD
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: [crashley at gte.net]
>>> Sent: 06/25/2008 07:36 AM
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Reversing can be easier
>>>
>>> Orlando,
>>>
>>> That's odd. I found that stopping (and reversing) was a chore with
the
>>> factory 3 blade fixed prop and was much better with the Autostream
>>> feathering prop I installed a couple years ago. It has independently
>>> adjustable fwd and rev pitch, although I've never had to change the
>>> settings
>>> that it came with.
>>>
>>> CRA
>>> Rosebud #882
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com>
>>> To: "C320-List" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 8:44 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Reversing can be easier
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course you knew I had to chime in on this... :)
>>>
>>> When I bought cl 3 #112 it came with the 3-bladed prop--lots of
prop
>>> walk--ALL props, no matter what, have prop walk, fluid dynamics and
>>> all--
>>> but I learned that that's not bad thing at all, I used it lots of
times
>>> to
>>> get out of slips without a lot of room, etc. Once you understand
the
>>> amount
>>> of 'walk' your prop has, you learn to use it and not complain
about. In
>>> reverse, when going forward, it was like having power brakes, it
would
>>> stop
>>> the boat RIGHT NOW...
>>>
>>> 3 years later, I purchased (from this list by the way) a Martec 2-
blade
>>> folding prop, less prop walk--again not always a good thing--and it
>>> took a
>>> bit of getting used to not having as much stopping power in reverse.
>>>
>>> My point in this is that you simply need to get used to your
particular
>>> prop and take advantage of it's advantages and disadvantages...
>>>
>>> Oh yeah, dumping that 3-bladed prop was the best thing ever for
boat
>>> speed
>>> under sail, getting rid of that 3-bladed anchor..er, prop, made
that
>>> boat
>>> competitive....
>>> ----------------------------------
>>> Regards,
>>> OD
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Chris Burti" [clburti at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: 06/18/2008 08:12 PM
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Reversing can be easier
>>>
>>> I respectfully disagree that 320's exhibit significant prop walk
with a
>>> factory prop. I attribute most of the backing problems that I've
>>> observed
>>> to
>>> poor technique. I've been backing our 320 into slips everywhere we
go
>>> in
>>> all
>>> wind conditions for five years with little or no problems. We have a
>>> factory
>>> three bladed prop that works fine as long as I don't let the
barnacles
>>> get
>>> growing on it. Our approach fairway is less than 60' wide and that
is
>>> adequate to get control in reverse. the only time I see any
evidence of
>>> significant swinging of the stern from the prop is if the water is
thin
>>> the
>>> keel is dragging and I 'm fighting a cross wind.
>>>
>>> Seriously, if you want to experience prop walk at its worst, get
out on
>>> a
>>> full keel sailboat with the prop in the rudder aperture or try
backing
>>> a
>>> single screw inboard ski boat. After that experience I suspect that
>>> you'll
>>> never complain bout a fin keel boat again.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Bruce Stanley
<brucestanley36 at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Robert Seastream writes about poor Reversing.
>>>> My circumstances mean that I must reverse into a tight marine pen
>>>> (slip).
>>>> The Kiwi Feathering Prop really does deliver positive and immediate
>>>> thrust,
>>>> with little or no Prop walk.
>>>> I am sure there are other props that do this too, but not a
factory
>>>> fitted
>>>> fixed 3 blader.
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Bruce Stanley
>>>> Sydney
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Robert Seastream <
>>>> robert.seastream at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Backing at all (let alone straight) is something I simply can't
get
>>>>> my
>>>> boat
>>>>> to do, so I don't rely on it as part of the docking process.
>>>>> I've told my wife that when docking, if we miss we'll simply
circle
>>>>> and
>>>> try
>>>>> again, since we have little/no effective reverse/braking power.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Burti
>>> Farmville, NC
>>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:47:28 +0000
>> From: " Rick Evans " <ericstillwellevans at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Need Inflatable
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Message-ID:
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<701882073-1214416155-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-173506721
8- at bxe172.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
>> >
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>
>> Hey Joe,
>>
>> I don't know that company but I purchased an
affordableinflatbles.com.
>> I've had mine for 2 yrs now and it was affordable and the quality is
>> equal to if not better than mercury/ west marine etc.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Rick
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Joe Abbagnaro" <jabbagna at gmail.com>
>>
>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:57:23
>> To:C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.org>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Need Inflatable
>>
>>
>> Looking for an inflatable want to get an Air Floor
>> Anyone see or hear of these ???
>>
>>
http://aquamaxdirect.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=36&produ
cts_id=239
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:57:56 -0400
>> From: "Chris Burti" <clburti at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Reversing can be easier
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Message-ID:
>> <79721a9c0806251057n6c97fbaci7fcaa2079f1bac0c at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Trick question?
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 1:39 PM, <Orlando.Duran at averydennison.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A lot...
>>> ----------------------------------
>>> Regards,
>>> OD
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Len [aqua5len at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: 06/25/2008 10:36 AM
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Reversing can be easier
>>>
>>> Exactly how much increase (over 3-blade fixed) in "speed under
sail" do
>>> you
>>> get with folding/feathering prop in, say, 10 to 12 knot wind on 60
>>> degree
>>> reach or beam reach?
>>>
>>> Len
>>> AQUA5 #1070
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 7:44 AM, <Orlando.Duran at averydennison.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I never had any issues with the 3-bladed prop relative to
performance
>>>> or
>>>> 'prop-walk'--it always worked extremely well.
>>>>
>>>> I just hated the fact that I had to give up 1kn+ under sail to get
>>>> that
>>>> performance...it is a sailboat after all...
>>>>
>>>> Admittedly, in So Cal we never have to worry about currents, cross-
>>>> winds
>>> in
>>>> the marina (all slips are oriented upwind and downwind),
winterizing
>>>> :),
>>> etc
>>>>
>>>> I just didn't see the benefit of the prop vs losing speed under
sail.
>>>>
>>>> On my 440 I installed a 3-bladed Flex-o-Fold prop and love
>>>> it...although
>>>> not self-pitching in reverse, it works great and of course, under
>>>> sail,
>>> no
>>>> performance problems
>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>> Regards,
>>>> OD
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: [crashley at gte.net]
>>>> Sent: 06/25/2008 07:36 AM
>>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Reversing can be easier
>>>>
>>>> Orlando,
>>>>
>>>> That's odd. I found that stopping (and reversing) was a chore with
the
>>>> factory 3 blade fixed prop and was much better with the Autostream
>>>> feathering prop I installed a couple years ago. It has
independently
>>>> adjustable fwd and rev pitch, although I've never had to change the
>>> settings
>>>> that it came with.
>>>>
>>>> CRA
>>>> Rosebud #882
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From:
<Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com>
>>>> To: "C320-List" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 8:44 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Reversing can be easier
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course you knew I had to chime in on this... :)
>>>>
>>>> When I bought cl 3 #112 it came with the 3-bladed prop--lots of
prop
>>>> walk--ALL props, no matter what, have prop walk, fluid dynamics
and
>>>> all--
>>>> but I learned that that's not bad thing at all, I used it lots of
>>>> times
>>> to
>>>> get out of slips without a lot of room, etc. Once you understand
the
>>> amount
>>>> of 'walk' your prop has, you learn to use it and not complain
about.
>>>> In
>>>> reverse, when going forward, it was like having power brakes, it
would
>>> stop
>>>> the boat RIGHT NOW...
>>>>
>>>> 3 years later, I purchased (from this list by the way) a Martec 2-
>>>> blade
>>>> folding prop, less prop walk--again not always a good thing--and
it
>>>> took
>>> a
>>>> bit of getting used to not having as much stopping power in
reverse.
>>>>
>>>> My point in this is that you simply need to get used to your
>>>> particular
>>>> prop and take advantage of it's advantages and disadvantages...
>>>>
>>>> Oh yeah, dumping that 3-bladed prop was the best thing ever for
boat
>>> speed
>>>> under sail, getting rid of that 3-bladed anchor..er, prop, made
that
>>>> boat
>>>> competitive....
>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>> Regards,
>>>> OD
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Chris Burti" [clburti at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: 06/18/2008 08:12 PM
>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Reversing can be easier
>>>>
>>>> I respectfully disagree that 320's exhibit significant prop walk
with
>>>> a
>>>> factory prop. I attribute most of the backing problems that I've
>>>> observed
>>>> to
>>>> poor technique. I've been backing our 320 into slips everywhere we
go
>>>> in
>>>> all
>>>> wind conditions for five years with little or no problems. We have
a
>>>> factory
>>>> three bladed prop that works fine as long as I don't let the
barnacles
>>> get
>>>> growing on it. Our approach fairway is less than 60' wide and that
is
>>>> adequate to get control in reverse. the only time I see any
evidence
>>>> of
>>>> significant swinging of the stern from the prop is if the water is
>>>> thin
>>> the
>>>> keel is dragging and I 'm fighting a cross wind.
>>>>
>>>> Seriously, if you want to experience prop walk at its worst, get
out
>>>> on a
>>>> full keel sailboat with the prop in the rudder aperture or try
backing
>>>> a
>>>> single screw inboard ski boat. After that experience I suspect that
>>> you'll
>>>> never complain bout a fin keel boat again.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Bruce Stanley
>>>> <brucestanley36 at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Robert Seastream writes about poor Reversing.
>>>>> My circumstances mean that I must reverse into a tight marine pen
>>> (slip).
>>>>> The Kiwi Feathering Prop really does deliver positive and
immediate
>>>>> thrust,
>>>>> with little or no Prop walk.
>>>>> I am sure there are other props that do this too, but not a
factory
>>> fitted
>>>>> fixed 3 blader.
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Bruce Stanley
>>>>> Sydney
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Robert Seastream <
>>>>> robert.seastream at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Backing at all (let alone straight) is something I simply can't
get
>>>>>> my
>>>>> boat
>>>>>> to do, so I don't rely on it as part of the docking process.
>>>>>> I've told my wife that when docking, if we miss we'll simply
circle
>>> and
>>>>> try
>>>>>> again, since we have little/no effective reverse/braking power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Burti
>>>> Farmville, NC
>>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris Burti
>> Farmville, NC
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:04:11 -0500 (CDT)
>> From: catalina at thehares.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Reversing can be easier
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
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>>
>> Not to get into folding/feathering vs fixed prop debate, but here's
what
>> we noticed. Wing keel/135 genoa/full main/gori-3 blade folding.
>>
>> With winds above 10 kts, we mostly notice a change in the boat's
>> acceleration. Our rig isn't very well tuned to heavy air at the
moment.
>>
>> Below 10kts, the difference can be pretty dramatic. This past
weekend,
>> we
>> easily sailed between ~4.5-5kts in 8-10kts of wind on a close reach
with
>> less than 1 foot seas. Frequently our headway speed was at around
half
>> the TRUE wind speed.
>>
>> I define "easily" by running up the laundry and only having to mess
with
>> it every 10 minutes or so.
>>
>> With our 3 blade fixed, we would be lucky to reach 4kts in any those
>> wind
>> conditions and only if we kept on top of the sail trim.
>>
>> If there were big swells or bumpy conditions, we'd never bother to
sail
>> in
>> winds below 8kts because we'd only make a couple knots headway and
the
>> sails would bang around.
>>
>> Another interesting side effect is that the helm feels lighter
(wonder
>> if
>> it's the turbulence around the rudder that the fixed prop created?)
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>>> Exactly how much increase (over 3-blade fixed) in "speed under
sail" do
>>> you
>>> get with folding/feathering prop in, say, 10 to 12 knot wind on 60
>>> degree
>>> reach or beam reach?
>>>
>>> Len
>>> AQUA5 #1070
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 7:44 AM, <Orlando.Duran at averydennison.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I never had any issues with the 3-bladed prop relative to
performance
>>>> or
>>>> 'prop-walk'--it always worked extremely well.
>>>>
>>>> I just hated the fact that I had to give up 1kn+ under sail to get
>>>> that
>>>> performance...it is a sailboat after all...
>>>>
>>>> Admittedly, in So Cal we never have to worry about currents, cross-
>>>> winds
>>>> in
>>>> the marina (all slips are oriented upwind and downwind),
winterizing
>>>> :),
>>>> etc
>>>>
>>>> I just didn't see the benefit of the prop vs losing speed under
sail.
>>>>
>>>> On my 440 I installed a 3-bladed Flex-o-Fold prop and love
>>>> it...although
>>>> not self-pitching in reverse, it works great and of course, under
>>>> sail,
>>>> no
>>>> performance problems
>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>> Regards,
>>>> OD
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: [crashley at gte.net]
>>>> Sent: 06/25/2008 07:36 AM
>>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Reversing can be easier
>>>>
>>>> Orlando,
>>>>
>>>> That's odd. I found that stopping (and reversing) was a chore with
the
>>>> factory 3 blade fixed prop and was much better with the Autostream
>>>> feathering prop I installed a couple years ago. It has
independently
>>>> adjustable fwd and rev pitch, although I've never had to change the
>>>> settings
>>>> that it came with.
>>>>
>>>> CRA
>>>> Rosebud #882
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From:
<Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com>
>>>> To: "C320-List" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 8:44 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Reversing can be easier
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course you knew I had to chime in on this... :)
>>>>
>>>> When I bought cl 3 #112 it came with the 3-bladed prop--lots of
prop
>>>> walk--ALL props, no matter what, have prop walk, fluid dynamics and
>>>> all--
>>>> but I learned that that's not bad thing at all, I used it lots of
>>>> times
>>>> to
>>>> get out of slips without a lot of room, etc. Once you understand
the
>>>> amount
>>>> of 'walk' your prop has, you learn to use it and not complain
about.
>>>> In
>>>> reverse, when going forward, it was like having power brakes, it
would
>>>> stop
>>>> the boat RIGHT NOW...
>>>>
>>>> 3 years later, I purchased (from this list by the way) a Martec 2-
>>>> blade
>>>> folding prop, less prop walk--again not always a good thing--and
it
>>>> took
>>>> a
>>>> bit of getting used to not having as much stopping power in
reverse.
>>>>
>>>> My point in this is that you simply need to get used to your
>>>> particular
>>>> prop and take advantage of it's advantages and disadvantages...
>>>>
>>>> Oh yeah, dumping that 3-bladed prop was the best thing ever for
boat
>>>> speed
>>>> under sail, getting rid of that 3-bladed anchor..er, prop, made
that
>>>> boat
>>>> competitive....
>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>> Regards,
>>>> OD
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Chris Burti" [clburti at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: 06/18/2008 08:12 PM
>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Reversing can be easier
>>>>
>>>> I respectfully disagree that 320's exhibit significant prop walk
with
>>>> a
>>>> factory prop. I attribute most of the backing problems that I've
>>>> observed
>>>> to
>>>> poor technique. I've been backing our 320 into slips everywhere we
go
>>>> in
>>>> all
>>>> wind conditions for five years with little or no problems. We have
a
>>>> factory
>>>> three bladed prop that works fine as long as I don't let the
barnacles
>>>> get
>>>> growing on it. Our approach fairway is less than 60' wide and that
is
>>>> adequate to get control in reverse. the only time I see any
evidence
>>>> of
>>>> significant swinging of the stern from the prop is if the water is
>>>> thin
>>>> the
>>>> keel is dragging and I 'm fighting a cross wind.
>>>>
>>>> Seriously, if you want to experience prop walk at its worst, get
out
>>>> on
>>>> a
>>>> full keel sailboat with the prop in the rudder aperture or try
backing
>>>> a
>>>> single screw inboard ski boat. After that experience I suspect that
>>>> you'll
>>>> never complain bout a fin keel boat again.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Bruce Stanley
>>>> <brucestanley36 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Robert Seastream writes about poor Reversing.
>>>>> My circumstances mean that I must reverse into a tight marine pen
>>>>> (slip).
>>>>> The Kiwi Feathering Prop really does deliver positive and
immediate
>>>>> thrust,
>>>>> with little or no Prop walk.
>>>>> I am sure there are other props that do this too, but not a
factory
>>>>> fitted
>>>>> fixed 3 blader.
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Bruce Stanley
>>>>> Sydney
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Robert Seastream <
>>>>> robert.seastream at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Backing at all (let alone straight) is something I simply can't
get
>>>>> my
>>>>> boat
>>>>>> to do, so I don't rely on it as part of the docking process.
>>>>>> I've told my wife that when docking, if we miss we'll simply
circle
>>>>> and
>>>>> try
>>>>>> again, since we have little/no effective reverse/braking power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Burti
>>>> Farmville, NC
>>>>
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:08:13 -0700
>> From: Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Reversing can be easier
>> To: "C320-List" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Message-ID:
>> <OF51BC461A.AD23E60E-ON88257473.0063A132 at averydennison.com>
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>>
>> For some of the lazy folks who don't like to sail unless they go
over
>> 5kn, a folder is perfect because it allows you to keep speed at
lower
>> wind speeds
>> ----------------------------------
>> Regards,
>> OD
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: catalina
>> Sent: 06/25/2008 11:04 AM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Reversing can be easier
>>
>> Not to get into folding/feathering vs fixed prop debate, but here's
what
>> we noticed. Wing keel/135 genoa/full main/gori-3 blade folding.
>>
>> With winds above 10 kts, we mostly notice a change in the boat's
>> acceleration. Our rig isn't very well tuned to heavy air at the
moment.
>>
>> Below 10kts, the difference can be pretty dramatic. This past
weekend,
>> we
>> easily sailed between ~4.5-5kts in 8-10kts of wind on a close reach
with
>> less than 1 foot seas. Frequently our headway speed was at around
half
>> the TRUE wind speed.
>>
>> I define "easily" by running up the laundry and only having to mess
with
>> it every 10 minutes or so.
>>
>> With our 3 blade fixed, we would be lucky to reach 4kts in any those
>> wind
>> conditions and only if we kept on top of the sail trim.
>>
>> If there were big swells or bumpy conditions, we'd never bother to
sail
>> in
>> winds below 8kts because we'd only make a couple knots headway and
the
>> sails would bang around.
>>
>> Another interesting side effect is that the helm feels lighter
(wonder
>> if
>> it's the turbulence around the rudder that the fixed prop created?)
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>>> Exactly how much increase (over 3-blade fixed) in "speed under
sail" do
>>> you
>>> get with folding/feathering prop in, say, 10 to 12 knot wind on 60
>>> degree
>>> reach or beam reach?
>>>
>>> Len
>>> AQUA5 #1070
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 7:44 AM, <Orlando.Duran at averydennison.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I never had any issues with the 3-bladed prop relative to
performance
>>>> or
>>>> 'prop-walk'--it always worked extremely well.
>>>>
>>>> I just hated the fact that I had to give up 1kn+ under sail to get
>>>> that
>>>> performance...it is a sailboat after all...
>>>>
>>>> Admittedly, in So Cal we never have to worry about currents, cross-
>>>> winds
>>>> in
>>>> the marina (all slips are oriented upwind and downwind),
winterizing
>>>> :),
>>>> etc
>>>>
>>>> I just didn't see the benefit of the prop vs losing speed under
sail.
>>>>
>>>> On my 440 I installed a 3-bladed Flex-o-Fold prop and love
>>>> it...although
>>>> not self-pitching in reverse, it works great and of course, under
>>>> sail,
>>>> no
>>>> performance problems
>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>> Regards,
>>>> OD
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: [crashley at gte.net]
>>>> Sent: 06/25/2008 07:36 AM
>>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Reversing can be easier
>>>>
>>>> Orlando,
>>>>
>>>> That's odd. I found that stopping (and reversing) was a chore with
the
>>>> factory 3 blade fixed prop and was much better with the Autostream
>>>> feathering prop I installed a couple years ago. It has
independently
>>>> adjustable fwd and rev pitch, although I've never had to change the
>>>> settings
>>>> that it came with.
>>>>
>>>> CRA
>>>> Rosebud #882
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From:
<Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com>
>>>> To: "C320-List" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 8:44 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Reversing can be easier
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course you knew I had to chime in on this... :)
>>>>
>>>> When I bought cl 3 #112 it came with the 3-bladed prop--lots of
prop
>>>> walk--ALL props, no matter what, have prop walk, fluid dynamics and
>>>> all--
>>>> but I learned that that's not bad thing at all, I used it lots of
>>>> times
>>>> to
>>>> get out of slips without a lot of room, etc. Once you understand
the
>>>> amount
>>>> of 'walk' your prop has, you learn to use it and not complain
about.
>>>> In
>>>> reverse, when going forward, it was like having power brakes, it
would
>>>> stop
>>>> the boat RIGHT NOW...
>>>>
>>>> 3 years later, I purchased (from this list by the way) a Martec 2-
>>>> blade
>>>> folding prop, less prop walk--again not always a good thing--and
it
>>>> took
>>>> a
>>>> bit of getting used to not having as much stopping power in
reverse.
>>>>
>>>> My point in this is that you simply need to get used to your
>>>> particular
>>>> prop and take advantage of it's advantages and disadvantages...
>>>>
>>>> Oh yeah, dumping that 3-bladed prop was the best thing ever for
boat
>>>> speed
>>>> under sail, getting rid of that 3-bladed anchor..er, prop, made
that
>>>> boat
>>>> competitive....
>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>> Regards,
>>>> OD
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Chris Burti" [clburti at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: 06/18/2008 08:12 PM
>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Reversing can be easier
>>>>
>>>> I respectfully disagree that 320's exhibit significant prop walk
with
>>>> a
>>>> factory prop. I attribute most of the backing problems that I've
>>>> observed
>>>> to
>>>> poor technique. I've been backing our 320 into slips everywhere we
go
>>>> in
>>>> all
>>>> wind conditions for five years with little or no problems. We have
a
>>>> factory
>>>> three bladed prop that works fine as long as I don't let the
barnacles
>>>> get
>>>> growing on it. Our approach fairway is less than 60' wide and that
is
>>>> adequate to get control in reverse. the only time I see any
evidence
>>>> of
>>>> significant swinging of the stern from the prop is if the water is
>>>> thin
>>>> the
>>>> keel is dragging and I 'm fighting a cross wind.
>>>>
>>>> Seriously, if you want to experience prop walk at its worst, get
out
>>>> on
>>>> a
>>>> full keel sailboat with the prop in the rudder aperture or try
backing
>>>> a
>>>> single screw inboard ski boat. After that experience I suspect that
>>>> you'll
>>>> never complain bout a fin keel boat again.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Bruce Stanley
>>>> <brucestanley36 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Robert Seastream writes about poor Reversing.
>>>>> My circumstances mean that I must reverse into a tight marine pen
>>>>> (slip).
>>>>> The Kiwi Feathering Prop really does deliver positive and
immediate
>>>>> thrust,
>>>>> with little or no Prop walk.
>>>>> I am sure there are other props that do this too, but not a
factory
>>>>> fitted
>>>>> fixed 3 blader.
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Bruce Stanley
>>>>> Sydney
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:39 PM, Robert Seastream <
>>>>> robert.seastream at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Backing at all (let alone straight) is something I simply can't
get
>>>>> my
>>>>> boat
>>>>>> to do, so I don't rely on it as part of the docking process.
>>>>>> I've told my wife that when docking, if we miss we'll simply
circle
>>>>> and
>>>>> try
>>>>>> again, since we have little/no effective reverse/braking power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Burti
>>>> Farmville, NC
>>>>
>>>> - -----------------------------------------------------------------
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entity
>>>> to
>>>> which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or
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>>>> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you
>>>> received
>>>> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material
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>>>> any
>>>> computer.
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>>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:29:02 -0500 (CDT)
>> From: catalina at thehares.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] engine overheating
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Message-ID: <18460.74.0.214.5.1214418542.squirrel at www.thehares.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>>
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>> All the responses so far are good info.
>>
>> Our raw water pump developed a leak where the pulley shaft enters the
>> impeller area. We have the Johnson pump, and it has a little $2
rubber
>> bushing that forms this seal that could be pulled out with needle
nose
>> pliers and replaced to stop the leak. Your hull has a slightly
>> different
>> pump, but you may still have a similar rubber seal that can be
replaced.
>>
>> The raw water heat exchanger is a topic that hasn't been discussed
much
>> here. This year, I removed the 4 nuts holding that cover in place
and
>> took a look to see what condition the exchanger was in. To my
surprise,
>> I
>> saw a portion of a leaf laying across a few of the tube intakes. If
you
>> had any blades of an impeller break off, they'd be in there too as
the
>> cooling tubes are too small for much debris to go through.
>>
>> Something I didn't fully understand was that there is a rubber
gasket on
>> the cover that divides the tubes into 2 sections at rougly 60/40
with
>> the
>> raw water entering the smaller section. Since the outlet is at the
>> back,
>> it seems that 60% of the tubes don't get water flowing through them
for
>> cooling?
>>
>> Perhaps, this is a way to allow the engine to be used in different
>> applications with different temperatures of cooling water available
>> simply
>> by supplying a different front inlet cap?
>>
>> Anyway, this makes it seem like any debris in the smaller chamber
could
>> have a serious effect on the heat exchanger's ability to do its job.
If
>> you haven't removed this cover before, it's simple. No springs or
ball
>> bearings are poised to shower your cabin and the amount of water in
>> there is very small. Also, this doesn't open up into the antifreeze
>> loop, just the raw water loop, so it's a simple procedure.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> -Jeff
>>
>>
>>> Hi, This past Sunday, the engine was running hot and eventually
the
>>> temp
>>> alarm atarted sounding. I shut her down and waited to open the
engine
>>> hatch.
>>
>>> I noticed a little bit of water seeping out from under the forward
>>> engine compartment hatch, and when I looked, I could not identify
where
>>> it came from.
>>>
>>> I troubleshooted from the raw water inlet to the water pump - all
is
>>> fine. Should my next step be to look at the mixing elbow? I've
read
>>> that deposits can build up, leading to less flow and ultimatley
>>> overheating.
>>>
>>> I'm worried because thw elbow is covered in heavy duty Al foil,
>>> presumably because the previous owner found or assumed a leak...I'm
>>> scared as to what I might find!
>>>
>>> Any thoughts/tips/ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Matt Curtis
>>> Tortuga, #541
>>
>>
>>
>>
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