[C320-list] exhaust mixing elbow

Tue Sep 23 15:56:57 PDT 2008

Thank you, Paul. All you guys are smarter than I. Seriously. But the damn 
gate should be at the bottom so the slugs don't have to go by it. When I 
become emperor, that's where it's going to be.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Rickman" <ilove2sail at verizon.net>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] exhaust mixing elbow

My experience is that we can sometimes misalign the gate and therefore the 
sail slugs get jammed.
Careful alignment fixes the problem for me. Push the gate from right to left 
and tighten it then.

----- Original Message ----
From: Jack McDonough <mcdonough5 at verizon.net>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:26:42 AM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] exhaust mixing elbow

Dennis:

Thank you for that response. Actually, I do have a sail gate as you
describe. My problem is that the sail slugs (maybe my use of the term "cars"
was incorrect) constantly jam in that gate. Or, when I move the gate to
widen the opening, the slugs tend to pop out. Very frustrating. I talked
with someone from Charleston Spar a couple of years ago and he suggested
that maybe the gate was not shaped properly. That, however, doesn't seem to
me to be the problem. I never had the jamming problem with my other boats -- 
a Cape Dory and a Pearson. Ideally, the gate would be at the base of the
mast so that the slugs would not have to pass by it on the way up and down.
A friend of mine has a Catalina 360 and that's the way his is designed. So
is the mast (not a Charleston) on the 2007 Catalina 320 that another club
member has.

I also have tried lubricating the slide with a couple of different products.
I will look for the McLube Sail Kote that you recommend. Your idea of having
the boom slightly to port when raising the sail sounds as good as anything.
I'll give that a try next season. We hauled the boat for the winter on
Saturday.

Jack McDonough
320 #947

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis Harris" <dharris02 at embarqmail.com>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] exhaust mixing elbow

> Jack,
>
> It sounds as if your "sail gate" is missing. On most boats with the
> Charleston Spar mast, the opening where you insert the sail slugs is
> covered by a small stainless steel plate, held in place with two thumb
> screws. With these in place, there is no way that the sail slugs can fall
> out. This part is on the starboard side of the mast. Once you get it
> adjusted, your sail slugs will slide past this point satisfactorily. I
> always head into the wind when hoisting the mainsail, and make sure that
> the boat is headed such that the boom and sail want to pull out to the
> port side just a little, so that there is no pressure against the opening
> and the "sail gate". This plus occasionally spraying the sail slugs
> (slides) with McLube "Sail Kote" should make raising the mainsail work
> well. The parts that you need are Charleston Spar sail gate #34201157009
> and 2 tumb screws #28607604015. The above relates to the standard factory
> setup. You used the term "sail cars" which suggests that your boat might
> have been modified with a different sail slug/slide arrangement, and if
> so, then the above might not apply to your particular boat. Charleston
> Spar has a web site: www.charlestonspar.com There phone number is 704 597
> 1502. I have a 2000 model and have never had the problems that you
> described. Hope this helps.
>
> Dennis Harris
> C320 #694
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jack McDonough" <mcdonough5 at verizon.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 10:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] exhaust mixing elbow
>
>
>> We're in Tewksbury, Mass., but we sail out of the Jubilee Yacht Club in
>> Beverly Harbor. We bought a 2003 Catalina 320 new after having a Cape
>> Dory 30 for a number of years. A fellow club member has a 2007 model that
>> has many improvements over ours, including a different mast. We've had
>> nothing but trouble trying to raise and lower our main. The sail cars
>> either jam in the gate or fall out, negating the ability to raise the
>> sail from the cockpit.
>>
>> Jack McDonough
>> Sure Bet #947
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 5:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] exhaust mixing elbow
>>
>>
>>> We're on one of four moorings off Hilton Park (just downriver of the
>>> bridge over Dover Point) belonging to Great Bay Marine.
>>> That way we don't have to wait for low tide, which is the only time we
>>> can squeak under that bridge.
>>> The run out to Portsmouth Harbor takes about an hour or less. We still
>>> try going with a fair tide.
>>> You grew up in Dover? Where are you these days?
>>>
>>> Bob Seastream
>>> Intuition # 906
>>>
>>> On Sep 20, 2008, at 7:45 AM, Jack McDonough wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you come down through Portsmouth Harbor, you must start in Great
>>>> Bay at Dover Point. (I grew up in Dover.) That's a long way in and
>>>> out, isn't it? And Great Bay looks to have some swirly currents. And
>>>> the current under those bridges in Portsmouth are swift, with a
>>>> capital S.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Seastream"
>>>> <robert.seastream at comcast.net
>>>> >
>>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 5:12 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] exhaust mixing elbow
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> We have about an hour run to get downriver and out of Portsmouth
>>>>> harbor to offshore. We run at 2400 for fuel economy, 3000 if we have
>>>>> to hustle to make the bridge openings. 3200 is the continuous max
>>>>> rating for our Yanmar 3GM30F. Once or twice a year, I run WOT (3600
>>>>> rpm; coincides with the one hour engine rating) for about 15 minutes.
>>>>> Never had 'smoke' issues, however our engine only has about 300 hours
>>>>> on it. Engine temps range from 160 to 180 degrees farenheit under
>>>>> those respective conditions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob Seastream
>>>>> Intuition # 906
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 19, 2008, at 6:04 PM, Allan S. Field wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We make sure that every time we run the engine, we run at 3,000 rpm
>>>>>> for at
>>>>>> least 5 minutes. 600 hours and no smoke although we intend to pull
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> clean the elbow prophylactically this winter regardless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Allan S. Field
>>>>>> Sea Shadow - #808
>>>>>> Columbia, MD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Crosby
>>>>>> Roper
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 5:42 PM
>>>>>> To: c320-list at catalina320.org
>>>>>> Subject: [C320-list] exhaust mixing elbow
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thought I'd pass this along for general lesson learned file. In july
>>>>>> on my
>>>>>> way back from Catalina island to San Diego, I noticed that when I ran
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> RPM's up to 3200, I got a bit of black/brown smoke from exhaust.
>>>>>> Since water
>>>>>> tanks were full and there was a bunch of stuff on board, I figured
>>>>>> probably
>>>>>> just overloading the engine was the problem. On my next trip to
>>>>>> catalina on
>>>>>> Labor day, I noted smoke at 3000 RPM. To make a long story short,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> problem progressed rap[idly over the next 30 hrs of engine use to the
>>>>>> point
>>>>>> where even at 2000 RPM i was seeing smoke. We limped back to the slip
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> called mechanic ( to whom I had spoken while in Catalina and who had
>>>>>> advised
>>>>>> me that problem was likely a clogged exhaust mixing elbow and OK to
>>>>>> run
>>>>>> engine at low RPM as long as it was not producing smoke.) He came out
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> Monday and problem was indeed exhaust mixing elbow. The engine is 3
>>>>>> years
>>>>>> old and has about 220 hrs on it. He admonished me for not using the
>>>>>> boat
>>>>>> enough (in front of my wife, which should work out well for future
>>>>>> sailing
>>>>>> schedule) and for babying the engine. So, for anyone else who tends
>>>>>> to baby
>>>>>> their diesel, run it frequently and run it hard. But we already know
>>>>>> that!Crosby Roper, VMD
>>>>>> Tethys # 1054
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