[C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 533, Issue 1
Thomas Page
pagethomasa at gmail.com
Tue Aug 11 14:23:05 PDT 2009
On my shift lever there is abutton I can push to bypass forward gear to
increase the rpm's on the engine in neutral. This small aluminimum button
keeps falling out. I cant remember if there was a rubber sleeve of some
sort that fits around the button to hold it in place?
Does anyone know? Any idea where I can get the replacement piece?
Regards,
Tom Page
Jeannette III
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> 1. Re: Withdrawl from C320 List (Chris Burti)
> 2. Magical hot water heater? (Martin Bayly)
> 3. Re: Magical hot water heater? (Andrew Santangelo)
> 4. Re: Withdrawl from C320 List (Simon Rock)
> 5. Thanks (Bruce Stumpp)
> 6. Re: Magical hot water heater? (Martin Bayly)
> 7. Over heating (Mike Paris)
> 8. Russell and Kathleen Vance - Shadowfax (Brian Branchard)
> 9. Fresh water connectors (Mike Paris)
> 10. Re: Fresh water connectors (BAdams3491 at aol.com)
> 11. Re: Fresh water connectors (Karl Mielenhausen _/))
> 12. A Diesel Fuel Tank Leak (Ken Danko)
> 13. Re: Withdrawl from C320 List (Chris Burti)
> 14. Re: A Diesel Fuel Tank Leak (Chris Burti)
> 15. Re: Over heating (Chris Burti)
> 16. Re: A Diesel Fuel Tank Leak (bruceheyman at cox.net)
> 17. Re: Windlass Overide (Allan S. Field)
> 18. Re: A Diesel Fuel Tank Leak (Jon Vez)
> 19. Re: Withdrawl from C320 List (Karl Mielenhausen _/))
> 20. Re: A Diesel Fuel Tank Leak (Karl Mielenhausen _/))
> 21. Re: A Diesel Fuel Tank Leak (Ray Durand)
> 22. Re: Withdrawl from C320 List (Charles Greenwell)
> 23. Re: Over heating (David Marecek)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:33:56 -0400
> From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Withdrawl from C320 List
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Message-ID:
> <79721a9c0908101233r37e47a11wf8e723364c00236 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Dan,
> I'm not the one to help you, but you can go to the C-320 Association
> website
> and unsubscribe yourself without requiring anyone to do it for you. There
> is
> a digest option which would send you just one email daily with all of the
> day's posts in it if you would like to to have the information from the
> list without all of the individual emails.
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Pam Rizzo <lrizzo at socal.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear C320 List director,
> > Please withdraw me form the list for now. My e-mail volume is too high.
> > Thanks,
> > Larry Rizzo
> > #887
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Chris Burti Farmville, NC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:47:34 -0700
> From: "Martin Bayly" <mbayly at telus.net>
> Subject: [C320-list] Magical hot water heater?
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <000001ca19fb$c9cd4880$5d67d980$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Still getting to know my 2005 C320 #1023.
>
>
>
> One thing that is perplexing me is that we're getting hot water from the
> hot
> water tap.
>
>
>
> On the AC section of the instrument panel there is a breaker switch
> labelled
> water heater, which I'm assuming operates an immersion style water heater.
> However, I've never turned that on.
>
>
>
> Yet, somehow we're still getting hot water. We just spent a week on her
> and
> were plugged in a fair bit, and also ran the engine a fair bit, so is there
> some other mechanism by which the water in the heater gets heated?
>
>
> We also have a dealer installed Eberspacher Hydronic cabin heater system
> which seems to be a diesel run hot water heater attached to a blower. This
> system has a rotary thermostat on/off control and a separate hi/lo/off
> switch which I think operates the blower. But I have not had that turned
> on
> all week either so I don't think that has been heating the hot water.
>
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Martin
>
> Serendipity #1023
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:48:34 -0400
> From: Andrew Santangelo <andrew_santangelo at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Magical hot water heater?
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Message-ID: <D7DD1765-65D7-49FC-84B3-5880A0ACC479 at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Yes Martin - it is magic! This is truly an amazing vessel!
>
> Just think "Hot Water" and out comes the hot water!
>
> ;-)
>
> Actually, your engine is also tied into the water heat system. SO, if
> you run the engine you will also heat up the water in the hot water
> heater. AND THE WATER WILL BE HOT! Be careful. The benefit is of
> course you can have hot water at a mooring and under sail.
>
> Best Regards,
> Andrew
>
> C320 "Dawn Treader"
> #333
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Martin Bayly wrote:
>
> > Still getting to know my 2005 C320 #1023.
> >
> >
> >
> > One thing that is perplexing me is that we're getting hot water from
> > the hot
> > water tap.
> >
> >
> >
> > On the AC section of the instrument panel there is a breaker switch
> > labelled
> > water heater, which I'm assuming operates an immersion style water
> > heater.
> > However, I've never turned that on.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yet, somehow we're still getting hot water. We just spent a week on
> > her and
> > were plugged in a fair bit, and also ran the engine a fair bit, so
> > is there
> > some other mechanism by which the water in the heater gets heated?
> >
> >
> > We also have a dealer installed Eberspacher Hydronic cabin heater
> > system
> > which seems to be a diesel run hot water heater attached to a
> > blower. This
> > system has a rotary thermostat on/off control and a separate hi/lo/off
> > switch which I think operates the blower. But I have not had that
> > turned on
> > all week either so I don't think that has been heating the hot water.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > Serendipity #1023
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:01:00 +1000
> From: "Simon Rock" <simonrock at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Withdrawl from C320 List
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <002001ca19fd$aa3d12f0$feb738d0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Is another option to look at using a forum based system instead of an email
> list?
>
>
> Simon Rock
> #1163
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Chris Burti
> Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 5:34 AM
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Withdrawl from C320 List
>
> Dan,
> I'm not the one to help you, but you can go to the C-320 Association
> website
> and unsubscribe yourself without requiring anyone to do it for you. There
> is
> a digest option which would send you just one email daily with all of the
> day's posts in it if you would like to to have the information from the
> list without all of the individual emails.
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Pam Rizzo <lrizzo at socal.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear C320 List director,
> > Please withdraw me form the list for now. My e-mail volume is too high.
> > Thanks,
> > Larry Rizzo
> > #887
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Chris Burti Farmville, NC
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:03:36 -0400
> From: "Bruce Stumpp" <bstumpp at comcast.net>
> Subject: [C320-list] Thanks
> To: <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <5779F57E7ABD4065829B81BDEC2E29D8 at home>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Karl,
>
> THANKS for all of your past and continuing efforts supporting the
> Association!
>
> Burce Stumpp
> Adventure, #647
> Frog Mortar Creek, MD
>
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:46:34 -0400
> From: "Karl Mielenhausen _/)" <c320 at suddenlink.net>
> Subject: [C320-list] New Technical Editor
> To: "C320IA Discussion List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <op.uye5nw1ssuzdm5 at presarios4000nx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes;
> charset=iso-8859-15
>
> Here's a heads-up for the List:
>
> In November's Mainsheet I will be pleased to announce that Chris Burti has
> agreed to take over as Technical Editor for the association. We have
> several articles in the queue waiting to be published but can always use
> more, so please give Chris your support.
>
> I'd like to thank all our contributors over the 2 years that I have been
> serving as Tech Editor and especially want to thank my editing team of
> John Dean, Dave White, Chris Willems, and Chris Burti.
>
> --
> Karl Mielenhausen
> C320IA Commodore
> Hull 690
> New Bern, NC
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:12:10 -0700
> From: "Martin Bayly" <mbayly at telus.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Magical hot water heater?
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <000501ca19ff$398eb890$acac29b0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Cool or not...
>
> Thanks, figured it must be something like that. Guess I should have
> followed some of the pipes. I just couldn't see any references to that
> setup in the schematics/blurb in the owners manual.
>
> Well, onward with my discovery...
> Martin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Santangelo
> Sent: August 10, 2009 1:49 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Magical hot water heater?
>
> Yes Martin - it is magic! This is truly an amazing vessel!
>
> Just think "Hot Water" and out comes the hot water!
>
> ;-)
>
> Actually, your engine is also tied into the water heat system. SO, if
> you run the engine you will also heat up the water in the hot water
> heater. AND THE WATER WILL BE HOT! Be careful. The benefit is of
> course you can have hot water at a mooring and under sail.
>
> Best Regards,
> Andrew
>
> C320 "Dawn Treader"
> #333
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Martin Bayly wrote:
>
> > Still getting to know my 2005 C320 #1023.
> >
> >
> >
> > One thing that is perplexing me is that we're getting hot water from
> > the hot
> > water tap.
> >
> >
> >
> > On the AC section of the instrument panel there is a breaker switch
> > labelled
> > water heater, which I'm assuming operates an immersion style water
> > heater.
> > However, I've never turned that on.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yet, somehow we're still getting hot water. We just spent a week on
> > her and
> > were plugged in a fair bit, and also ran the engine a fair bit, so
> > is there
> > some other mechanism by which the water in the heater gets heated?
> >
> >
> > We also have a dealer installed Eberspacher Hydronic cabin heater
> > system
> > which seems to be a diesel run hot water heater attached to a
> > blower. This
> > system has a rotary thermostat on/off control and a separate hi/lo/off
> > switch which I think operates the blower. But I have not had that
> > turned on
> > all week either so I don't think that has been heating the hot water.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > Serendipity #1023
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:40:57 -0700
> From: Mike Paris <mparis495 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] Over heating
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <AA0283A5-4B22-4DFE-9B50-CFFD9087B167 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed;
> delsp=yes
>
> I had the overheating alarm go off today after I was only about 10
> minutes from the slip. No problem with strainer, belts, and no loss of
> fluid. I spent an afternoon taking the water heater out and then back
> in a few days ago. Could I have created a problem? I'm ordering a new
> WH but I have installed the old one in the meantime. I ran water with
> a garden hose through the fluid inlet/outlet and it flowed freely.
> Any advice appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike P
> 734
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:56:08 -0700
> From: Brian Branchard <Brian.Branchard at quest.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] Russell and Kathleen Vance - Shadowfax
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Message-ID:
>
> <9B56A0DB74E164469FE0F25F4B1E9E6C017230A1B3 at alvxmbw05.prod.quest.corp>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi,
>
> Would anyone have the new contact details for Russell and Kathleen Vance?
> I'm looking to purchase their boat from a new owner.
>
> Brian
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:08:57 -0700
> From: Mike Paris <mparis495 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] Fresh water connectors
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <1A76B321-F896-45D7-A9FE-A2966C6AD7DF at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed;
> delsp=yes
>
> How do you remove the connectors on the blue and red plastic pipes for
> the fresh water system? My previous owner used a 2" piece of copper
> pipe in place of the blue pipe between the faucet T and the water
> heater. This fitting drips.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike P
> 734
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:18:20 EDT
> From: BAdams3491 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fresh water connectors
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Message-ID: <d0e.518c31fa.37b212cc at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> The sensors come apart by carefully prying the two halves apart...there
> are two slots (opposite each other) where the small screw driver goes.
> After
> apart, there is a horseshoe shaped washer that fits between the locking
> collar and the end of the fitting called a Collet clip...it pops out by
> using
> a small screw driver. The Collet clip is on page 101 of the 2009 Defender
> catalog. Here's the web site:
> _http://www.defender.com/productsearchresult.jsp_ (
> http://www.defender.com/productsearchresult.jsp)
>
> Bert
> At Ease
> #442
>
>
> In a message dated 8/10/2009 7:09:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> mparis495 at gmail.com writes:
>
> How do you remove the connectors on the blue and red plastic pipes for
> the fresh water system? My previous owner used a 2" piece of copper
> pipe in place of the blue pipe between the faucet T and the water
> heater. This fitting drips.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike P
> 734
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:49:58 -0400
> From: "Karl Mielenhausen _/)" <c320 at suddenlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fresh water connectors
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Message-ID: <op.uyg29kxcsuzdm5 at presarios4000nx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes;
> charset=iso-8859-15
>
> Mike,
>
> A quick search on our website yields:
> http://www.catalina320.com/filemgmt_data/files/Whale.pdf
>
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:08:57 -0400, Mike Paris <mparis495 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > How do you remove the connectors on the blue and red plastic pipes for
> > the fresh water system? My previous owner used a 2" piece of copper pipe
> > in place of the blue pipe between the faucet T and the water heater.
> > This fitting drips.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike P
> > 734
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> --
> Karl Mielenhausen
> Catalina 320 Hull 690
> New Bern, NC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:18:18 -0700
> From: Ken Danko <ken320 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [C320-list] A Diesel Fuel Tank Leak
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Message-ID: <4A80D4EA.1040801 at sbcglobal.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I have developed a diesel fuel leak. I only had a few minutes to look at
> it so I don't have all the details as I write this. I'm really surprised
> because it appears that the hoses and all connections are ok. The leak
> seems to be coming from the tank itself but I don't yet know where.
> Grace is a 2001 model so a tank failure seems to me to be highly
> unusual. The last time I was out on Grace, I hosted a post sailing BBQ
> and went back the next day to clean up (no diesel leaks then). A week
> went by, I was out of town, during which time the leak developed while
> the boat was sitting at the dock. My questions are numerous. How could
> this happen? Has anyone else experienced a sudden tank leak? Should I
> contact Catalina and see if they warranty such a failure? Can tanks be
> fixed or do I need to get a new one. How do I clean the area from the
> tank to the bilge which is somewhat inaccessible? Any and all advice
> would be greatly appreciated. One last thing, what cleaning product
> works best on diesel fuel.
>
> Ken Danko
> Grace
> #802
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:30:26 -0400
> From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Withdrawl from C320 List
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Message-ID:
> <79721a9c0908101930h4b7a2beds12b78688e9eed83a at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> There is one one on the C-320 Association website, but it is rarely used
> and
> you might be a few days getting an answer to a question...along with
> getting
> only a few responses.
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Simon Rock <simonrock at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Is another option to look at using a forum based system instead of an
> email
> > list?
> >
> >
> > Simon Rock
> > #1163
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Chris
> Burti
> > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 5:34 AM
> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Withdrawl from C320 List
> >
> > Dan,
> > I'm not the one to help you, but you can go to the C-320 Association
> > website
> > and unsubscribe yourself without requiring anyone to do it for you. There
> > is
> > a digest option which would send you just one email daily with all of the
> > day's posts in it if you would like to to have the information from the
> > list without all of the individual emails.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Pam Rizzo <lrizzo at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Dear C320 List director,
> > > Please withdraw me form the list for now. My e-mail volume is too
> high.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Larry Rizzo
> > > #887
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Chris Burti Farmville, NC
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Chris Burti Farmville, NC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:45:45 -0400
> From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] A Diesel Fuel Tank Leak
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Message-ID:
> <79721a9c0908101945r7ba66752x44fa2996d0a0ff3e at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> A few quick answers to help you look for the problem.
>
> 1. No warranty any longer at this point. If it is, in fact, a manufacturing
> defect, Catalina is famous for its responsive customer service. Note that
> it
> is highly unlikely for a defect to take this long to show up, if not
> unheard
> of. Yes, it can start to leak more noticably when you are away from the
> boat.
>
> 2. Most likely culprits for leaks are the conections for the fuel line,
> return line, fill hose and vent hose.
>
> 3. Next most likely culprits would be filters and bleed screws.
>
> 4. Next would be the hoses and lines themselves.
>
> 5. Last option might be a leak in the tank at a weld, a wear point if
> something is rubbing or on rare occasion spot corrosion.
> Any good degreaser like Simple Green will clean up diesel fuel and a final
> wipe with clorox wipes will attack the smell.
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Ken Danko <ken320 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > I have developed a diesel fuel leak. I only had a few minutes to look at
> it
> > so I don't have all the details as I write this. I'm really surprised
> > because it appears that the hoses and all connections are ok. The leak
> seems
> > to be coming from the tank itself but I don't yet know where. Grace is a
> > 2001 model so a tank failure seems to me to be highly unusual. The last
> time
> > I was out on Grace, I hosted a post sailing BBQ and went back the next
> day
> > to clean up (no diesel leaks then). A week went by, I was out of town,
> > during which time the leak developed while the boat was sitting at the
> dock.
> > My questions are numerous. How could this happen? Has anyone else
> > experienced a sudden tank leak? Should I contact Catalina and see if they
> > warranty such a failure? Can tanks be fixed or do I need to get a new
> one.
> > How do I clean the area from the tank to the bilge which is somewhat
> > inaccessible? Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated. One last
> > thing, what cleaning product works best on diesel fuel.
> >
> > Ken Danko
> > Grace
> > #802
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Chris Burti Farmville, NC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:54:21 -0400
> From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Over heating
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Message-ID:
> <79721a9c0908101954g6510bb85pdfe7df114377f75f at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> It is possible that you have an air lock in the the engine coolant line
> supplying hot coolant from the engine to the hot water heater's heat
> exchanger. You will need to disconnect the high side that line and let the
> air out of the loop so that the pump will be able move coolant on through.
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Mike Paris <mparis495 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I had the overheating alarm go off today after I was only about 10
> minutes
> > from the slip. No problem with strainer, belts, and no loss of fluid. I
> > spent an afternoon taking the water heater out and then back in a few
> days
> > ago. Could I have created a problem? I'm ordering a new WH but I have
> > installed the old one in the meantime. I ran water with a garden hose
> > through the fluid inlet/outlet and it flowed freely.
> > Any advice appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike P
> > 734
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Chris Burti Farmville, NC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 03:06:35 +0000
> From: bruceheyman at cox.net
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] A Diesel Fuel Tank Leak
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
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> Ken,
> In the past I had to do a bunch of research on aluminum tanks. Typically
> they last 20 years but they can fail after only 7 years. The life span
> depends on how well they are mounted and how good a job it does of keeping
> moisture from being trapped. Also foreign mettle scraps in the tank can
> cause them to fail.
> A common way they fail is through one or more pin whole leaks from
> corrosion. After you clean everything up you may want to lay paper towel
> sheets around every where as a tell as to where the leak is comming from.
> If it is the tank and there are a small number of localized perforations
> you can repair it by drilling it out and putting a bolt and gasket through
> it. They test the tanks by pressuring them and then seeing how well they
> hold the pressure.
> Good luck.
> Bruce
> Somerset 671 SoCal
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Danko <ken320 at sbcglobal.net>
>
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:18:18
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] A Diesel Fuel Tank Leak
>
>
> I have developed a diesel fuel leak. I only had a few minutes to look at
> it so I don't have all the details as I write this. I'm really surprised
> because it appears that the hoses and all connections are ok. The leak
> seems to be coming from the tank itself but I don't yet know where.
> Grace is a 2001 model so a tank failure seems to me to be highly
> unusual. The last time I was out on Grace, I hosted a post sailing BBQ
> and went back the next day to clean up (no diesel leaks then). A week
> went by, I was out of town, during which time the leak developed while
> the boat was sitting at the dock. My questions are numerous. How could
> this happen? Has anyone else experienced a sudden tank leak? Should I
> contact Catalina and see if they warranty such a failure? Can tanks be
> fixed or do I need to get a new one. How do I clean the area from the
> tank to the bilge which is somewhat inaccessible? Any and all advice
> would be greatly appreciated. One last thing, what cleaning product
> works best on diesel fuel.
>
> Ken Danko
> Grace
> #802
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:20:52 -0500 (CDT)
> From: "Allan S. Field" <allan.field at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Windlass Overide
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:36:14 -0400
> From: "Jon Vez" <jonvez at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] A Diesel Fuel Tank Leak
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <006101ca1a77$eef51530$ccdf3f90$@net>
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>
> My fuel tank leaked after about 8 seasons. The first thing to do would be
> to
> get some oil absorber pads and place them forward of the tank. This will
> keep the fuel from continuing to build in the bilge. If you remove the
> board
> over your aft water tank you will be able to slide a few pads right up to
> the front of the tank. This will also show you what side of the tank the
> leak is coming from (and verify it is the fuel tank). Mine was a very slow
> leak, so I spent weeks trying (hoping) it was hoses, filters etc. At the
> end, I bought a new tank from Catalina (as I recall it was about $450 or
> so)
> and replaced it. The job is fairly easy and straightforward and if you end
> up going this route, I will be happy to give the specifics on this job. The
> leak ended up being a pin hole in the fwd corner weld of the tank. They can
> be repaired, but it wasn't worth it in my opinion as they supposedly have a
> life of 7-10 years (although most last much longer)....good luck...
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon Vez
> Solstice #582
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Ken Danko
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:18 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] A Diesel Fuel Tank Leak
>
> I have developed a diesel fuel leak. I only had a few minutes to look at
> it so I don't have all the details as I write this. I'm really surprised
> because it appears that the hoses and all connections are ok. The leak
> seems to be coming from the tank itself but I don't yet know where.
> Grace is a 2001 model so a tank failure seems to me to be highly
> unusual. The last time I was out on Grace, I hosted a post sailing BBQ
> and went back the next day to clean up (no diesel leaks then). A week
> went by, I was out of town, during which time the leak developed while
> the boat was sitting at the dock. My questions are numerous. How could
> this happen? Has anyone else experienced a sudden tank leak? Should I
> contact Catalina and see if they warranty such a failure? Can tanks be
> fixed or do I need to get a new one. How do I clean the area from the
> tank to the bilge which is somewhat inaccessible? Any and all advice
> would be greatly appreciated. One last thing, what cleaning product
> works best on diesel fuel.
>
> Ken Danko
> Grace
> #802
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:20:35 -0400
> From: "Karl Mielenhausen _/)" <c320 at suddenlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Withdrawl from C320 List
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Message-ID: <op.uyh10lptsuzdm5 at presarios4000nx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes;
> charset=iso-8859-15
>
> Another option would be to search the list archives when you have a
> specific question.
> We actually have 2 methods listed on our website for this.
> I prefer this one...
> http://lists.catalina320.com/pipermail/c320-list-catalina320.com/
>
>
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:30:26 -0400, Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > There is one one on the C-320 Association website, but it is rarely used
> > and
> > you might be a few days getting an answer to a question...along with
> > getting
> > only a few responses.
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Simon Rock <simonrock at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Is another option to look at using a forum based system instead of an
> >> email
> >> list?
> >>
> >>
> >> Simon Rock
> >> #1163
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> >> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Chris
> >> Burti
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 5:34 AM
> >> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Withdrawl from C320 List
> >>
> >> Dan,
> >> I'm not the one to help you, but you can go to the C-320 Association
> >> website
> >> and unsubscribe yourself without requiring anyone to do it for you.
> >> There
> >> is
> >> a digest option which would send you just one email daily with all of
> >> the
> >> day's posts in it if you would like to to have the information from the
> >> list without all of the individual emails.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Pam Rizzo <lrizzo at socal.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Dear C320 List director,
> >> > Please withdraw me form the list for now. My e-mail volume is too
> >> high.
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Larry Rizzo
> >> > #887
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Chris Burti Farmville, NC
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Karl Mielenhausen
> Catalina 320 Hull 690
> New Bern, NC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:30:06 -0400
> From: "Karl Mielenhausen _/)" <c320 at suddenlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] A Diesel Fuel Tank Leak
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Message-ID: <op.uyh2ggj4suzdm5 at presarios4000nx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes;
> charset=iso-8859-15
>
> Regarding the diesel fuel smell, I've been told that washing down affected
> surfaces with Calgon Liquid Fabric Softener helps cut the odor. Try a 1:1
> dilution with water.
> This would be after a clean-up using Dawn dishwashing detergent 1:3 with
> water or Simple Green as Chris suggests.
>
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:36:14 -0400, Jon Vez <jonvez at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > My fuel tank leaked after about 8 seasons. The first thing to do would
> > be to
> > get some oil absorber pads and place them forward of the tank. This will
> > keep the fuel from continuing to build in the bilge. If you remove the
> > board
> > over your aft water tank you will be able to slide a few pads right up to
> > the front of the tank. This will also show you what side of the tank the
> > leak is coming from (and verify it is the fuel tank). Mine was a very
> > slow
> > leak, so I spent weeks trying (hoping) it was hoses, filters etc. At the
> > end, I bought a new tank from Catalina (as I recall it was about $450 or
> > so)
> > and replaced it. The job is fairly easy and straightforward and if you
> > end
> > up going this route, I will be happy to give the specifics on this job.
> > The
> > leak ended up being a pin hole in the fwd corner weld of the tank. They
> > can
> > be repaired, but it wasn't worth it in my opinion as they supposedly
> > have a
> > life of 7-10 years (although most last much longer)....good luck...
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jon Vez
> > Solstice #582
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Ken Danko
> > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:18 PM
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: [C320-list] A Diesel Fuel Tank Leak
> >
> > I have developed a diesel fuel leak. I only had a few minutes to look at
> > it so I don't have all the details as I write this. I'm really surprised
> > because it appears that the hoses and all connections are ok. The leak
> > seems to be coming from the tank itself but I don't yet know where.
> > Grace is a 2001 model so a tank failure seems to me to be highly
> > unusual. The last time I was out on Grace, I hosted a post sailing BBQ
> > and went back the next day to clean up (no diesel leaks then). A week
> > went by, I was out of town, during which time the leak developed while
> > the boat was sitting at the dock. My questions are numerous. How could
> > this happen? Has anyone else experienced a sudden tank leak? Should I
> > contact Catalina and see if they warranty such a failure? Can tanks be
> > fixed or do I need to get a new one. How do I clean the area from the
> > tank to the bilge which is somewhat inaccessible? Any and all advice
> > would be greatly appreciated. One last thing, what cleaning product
> > works best on diesel fuel.
> >
> > Ken Danko
> > Grace
> > #802
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Karl Mielenhausen
> Catalina 320 Hull 690
> New Bern, NC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 06:44:31 -0700
> From: "Ray Durand" <durand.mail at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] A Diesel Fuel Tank Leak
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <00f901ca1a89$db266a10$91733e30$@mail at verizon.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I had the same problem on my #822 when the boat was only a couple of years
> old. After several weeks of trying to find the source of the leak, I
> discovered that the tank itself was leaking. Removing the tank was not a
> particularly easy job. You need to first empty the tank - I bought a
> inexpensive manual pump and a couple of 5-gallong fuel jugs. After
> emptying
> the tank, I disconnected the hose and fuel gauge sensor connections, and
> cut
> the strap that holds the tank down. I think I may have even removed the
> shelf on the starboard side - I'm not sure this is really necessary - it's
> been a while! I found that he only way to remove the tank was through the
> aft cabin access door. I had to remove the wood frame around the access
> door to get the tank out.
>
> When I got the tank out, I discovered a very tiny hole in the bottom corner
> weld (port side, forward corner). I brought the old tank to Catalina (this
> was when they were still building 320s in Woodland Hills) and purchased a
> new one. On my way back to the boat, I got a call from Frank Butler saying
> that this shouldn't have happened and that he was going to contact the
> manufacturer about it. About a week later, I got a check from Catalina for
> the full purchase price. Remember, this was several years ago - I doubt
> Catalina will do anything about your problem since the boat is 8 years old.
>
> I needed to purchase a tank strap for securing the tank down again. I
> found
> it at a local boat store. The original strap was a metal band that I had
> to
> cut. I seem to remember that Catalina used newspaper as insulation between
> the hull and the tank. I'm pretty sure the newspaper was in good shape and
> I simply reused it when I installed the new tank.
>
> One more thing - you might want to test the fuel sensor if your new tank
> comes with one before you install it. Mine did, and it doesn't work nearly
> as well as the one on my old tank. I wish I had kept my old sensor. The
> test is actually fairly simple using an ohm meter. You can find out how to
> do this by searching on the web.
>
> Good luck with this. If you have any more questions, let me know.
>
> Ray Durand
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Ken Danko
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 7:18 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] A Diesel Fuel Tank Leak
>
> I have developed a diesel fuel leak. I only had a few minutes to look at
> it so I don't have all the details as I write this. I'm really surprised
> because it appears that the hoses and all connections are ok. The leak
> seems to be coming from the tank itself but I don't yet know where.
> Grace is a 2001 model so a tank failure seems to me to be highly
> unusual. The last time I was out on Grace, I hosted a post sailing BBQ
> and went back the next day to clean up (no diesel leaks then). A week
> went by, I was out of town, during which time the leak developed while
> the boat was sitting at the dock. My questions are numerous. How could
> this happen? Has anyone else experienced a sudden tank leak? Should I
> contact Catalina and see if they warranty such a failure? Can tanks be
> fixed or do I need to get a new one. How do I clean the area from the
> tank to the bilge which is somewhat inaccessible? Any and all advice
> would be greatly appreciated. One last thing, what cleaning product
> works best on diesel fuel.
>
> Ken Danko
> Grace
> #802
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:50:33 -0400
> From: "Charles Greenwell" <CGreenwell at sparusa.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Withdrawl from C320 List
> To: <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <9C8014FEBD56664498942B36E7A256FC284EF5 at spar1.sparusa.com>
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>
> You can use the List Achieves to view the discussions one at a time. Try
> the link below.
>
>
>
> http://lists.catalina320.com/pipermail/c320-list-catalina320.com/
>
>
>
> Randy
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:29:01 -0400
> From: "David Marecek" <David.Marecek at ca.fujitsu.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Over heating
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
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> Mike
>
> What engine make, how old and how many hours?.
>
> I had posted a response on an entire fault finding process for
> overheating earlier this year.
>
> There are approx 7 different components to consider when it comes to
> overheating
>
>
> Dave Marecek
> 250 516 5117
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Mike Paris
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 2:41 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Over heating
>
> I had the overheating alarm go off today after I was only about 10
> minutes from the slip. No problem with strainer, belts, and no loss of
> fluid. I spent an afternoon taking the water heater out and then back
> in a few days ago. Could I have created a problem? I'm ordering a new
> WH but I have installed the old one in the meantime. I ran water with
> a garden hose through the fluid inlet/outlet and it flowed freely.
> Any advice appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike P
> 734
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
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