[C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
bruceheyman at cox.net
bruceheyman at cox.net
Fri Jan 30 08:55:44 PST 2009
What kill switch? Most diesels require you block the air or the fuel. Ours blocks the fuel. We will have to come up with a servo that can move the same lever arm as the red t-handled kill on our engine pods. Am I missing an angle?
Bruce
Somerset 671 SoCal
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-----Original Message-----
From: Dean Vermeire <dean at vermeire.us>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:46:16
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
I'm thinking you'd probably want to wire the new kill switch in series
with the existing, not in parallel.
John Frost wrote:
> I think the engine kill part will be pretty straightforward by just adding,
> in parallel with my engine stop switch, a new standard kill switch that the
> unit was designed to trip. Turning off the autopilot would also be easy
> (using the same kill switch output) but not too effective as well balanced
> as my helm is. The command to tack (without releasing the jib) might put me
> in a semi heave-to position that at least wouldn't plow across the lake at 5
> kts. Any thoughts on that approach?
>
> John Frost
> 2007 C320 MKII, Hull # 1118
> Lake Guntersville, AL
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Santangelo
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 8:54 AM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
>
> Hello All,
>
> I can see the little buzzer thing being a great idea. I seem to
> recall a couple years back someone falling overboard on Lake Huron and
> the person below was sleeping - never heard a thing. The individual
> who fell overboard did drown.
>
> I can see the engine kill switch too - have it on my little J22 and
> out board is shut off if I go in. Of course I need the lanyard hooked
> to me! And no, I have not fallen in yet...
>
> BUT falling in with the sails up is a very complicated matter. For
> such a set up I see the need for all these added control lines to the
> sails tied to the system. Rope clutch releases, winch releases,
> automatic tacking, maybe a sail dropping system. Too complicated, too
> many lines and probably unworkable with the current boat configuration.
>
> To keep it easy with sails if you are worried about failing into the
> water and having the sailboat go bye bye under sail is to get a boat
> like the Nonsuch. It has one BIG main sail and no head sail.
> Performance to windward is bad, however the rigging is very simple. A
> system could be easily rigged to either release the sheet (a little
> complicated) or drop the mainsail (fairly easy).
>
> My two pennies worth...
>
> Best Regards,
> Andrew
> C320 "Dawn Treader"
> #333
>
> P.S. - I leave next week from New Mexico to Holland, Michigan to check
> on my baby and do the final prep for it to be shipped to California.
> Right now I hear there is 4' of snow around it. :-(
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 30, 2009, at 7:19 AM, Larry Frank wrote:
>
>
>> John,
>>
>> I have seen these devices advertised and wondered if they could work
>> on a
>> sailboat including the autopilot. I will be anxiously awaiting your
>> report.
>>
>> Larry
>> WindSwept C320 #246
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of John
>> Frost
>> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:19 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
>>
>> For Christmas I bought myself a gizmo that sets off an alarm if you
>> fall
>> overboard wearing the little dongle. I've tried it and it seems to
>> work
>> nicely. I can traverse the boat freely but if it goes in the water
>> it wails.
>> We often motor for several miles with my Captain down below fixing
>> food etc.
>> She has no idea what I am up to on deck. My hope is she will know it
>> if I
>> disappear. My other hope is she will look kindly on the desirability
>> of
>> coming back to get me.
>>
>> Now to the interesting part. This device also has a little solenoid
>> meant to
>> be hooked to the lanyard kill switch on small power boats. It will
>> flip that
>> switch to stop the motor. I hope over the summer to modify my engine
>> stop
>> button to shut my motor down, and maybe even turn off (or tack to
>> heave to)
>> the autopilot if under sail. I'll let you know if it works.
>>
>> John
>> 2007 C320 MKII, Hull # 1118
>> Lake Guntersville, AL
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Bill
>> Culbertson
>> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 5:16 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
>>
>> The issue Orlando raised and others have commented on about the boat
>> moving
>> vs not moving is the one I've found no solution for. I've always
>> figured
>> that getting the boat stopped is the enabler of the other tools for
>> getting
>> yourself back on board.
>>
>> If you're moving, it's either under power or under sail. I've always
>> guessed that if under sail, the key would be getting the autopilot
>> disengaged (if enabled) to round up (wouldn't work on a run). If
>> under
>> power, I figure the key is getting into neutral and ideally idle
>> speed with
>> neutral being required and idle speed being desirable.
>>
>> If there are gadgets on the market to address either of these two
>> situations, I've not found them. I'm kind of amazed that nothing
>> commercial
>> seems to exist.
>>
>> -bill
>> Harmony #859
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com" <Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com
>>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Cc: C320-List at Catalina320.com; c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:39:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII ladder & safety
>>
>> I'm assuming all of this talk about grabbing a ladder while single
>> handing
>> presupposes that the boat will be standing still and not moving either
>> under sail or power... :)
>>
>> If you're sailing alone and fall overboard, good luck in trying to
>> lower
>> any ladder..
>>
>> My strategery has always been to stay IN the boat.. :)
>>
>> OD
>>
>>
>>
>> David J Gleason
>> <djgleason1 at juno
>> .com>
>> To
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>> Subject
>> Re: [C320-list] C320 MKII
>> ladder &
>> safety
>> 01/26/2009 08:14
>> AM
>>
>>
>> Please respond
>> to
>> C320-List at Catali
>> na320.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Wayne:
>>
>> I have done some single handed sailing and the thought of not being
>> able
>> to lower the ladder from the water has always bothered me. I have
>> thought of tying the ladder up with yarn that could be broken with a
>> good
>> pull. However I then need to run a line across the access opening
>> so as
>> not to fall backward out of the cockpit.
>>
>> If you could describe the arrangement you use, I would appreciate it.
>> Photos would be a great help.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dave Gleason
>> Proud Mary, #150
>>
>> On Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:04:05 -0800 (PST) Wayne Strickland
>> <nadowayne at yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> Ladder deployment if in the water and not having a mate onboard, was
>>> a concern of mine. I attached lines to the latches and to the
>>> ladder and they can easily be reached while in the water. The lines
>>> release the ladder and pull it down to the water.
>>> Safety is a good thing.
>>>
>>> Wayne Strickland
>>> Wayne's World 594
>>> Coronado, CA.
>>>
>>> On Jan 23, 2009, at 7:27 AM, Sail0983 at aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>> While I don't like it I think the advantage is that it can be
>>> deployed by
>>> someone in the water.
>>>
>>> Dave Marchant
>>> Illumination #983
>>> Solomons, MD
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 1/23/2009 8:23:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> bcampbell at valp.net writes:
>>>
>>> What's up with the cheap stern boarding ladder on the new boats?
>>> Even the
>>> C375 has it and they don't seam to be very user friendly.
>>>
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