[C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 463, Issue 1

Jeff Hare catalina at thehares.com
Mon Jun 1 16:24:05 PDT 2009


Hi Pat

The tank valve project is one of the easiest and most inexpensive projects for what you get.  

There is an article on the site with pics on this.  Took me under an hour including cleanup.  

If you have questions, fire away.  
-Jeff H. 

-----Original Message-----
From: "Pat Kenefick" <pkenefick at embarqmail.com>

Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 15:18:27 
To: <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 463, Issue 1


My question involves moving the fresh water valves( changing from use of the 
rear tank to the bow tank) from the aft to under the galley sink area. How 
do you make this move ? Are there any instructions from anyone that help me 
change the existing "pain in the neck" system ?
Thanks
Pat Kenefick
Cynthia Gale , Hull 833
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>   1. Re: Wind of solar power (Robert Seastream)
>   2. LED for Head (Karl Mielenhausen _/))
>   3. Re: LED for Head (Jon Vez)
>   4. Re: LED for Head (Chris Burti)
>   5. shaft alignment (wflowe3 at netscape.net)
>   6. Re: shaft alignment (Jeff Hare)
>   7. Top off charge for batteries (Rick Evans)
>   8. Re: LED for Head (Richard A. Walker)
>   9. Fwd: Re:  LED for Head (Karl Mielenhausen _/))
>  10. Re: Top off charge for batteries (Karl Mielenhausen _/))
>  11. Fwd:  shaft alignment (Karl Mielenhausen _/))
>  12. Re: Fresh water leak (warren updike)
>  13. Re: Top off charge for batteries (Rick Evans)
>  14. Re: Fwd:  shaft alignment (wflowe3 at netscape.net)
>  15. Fwd: Re:  Top off charge for batteries (Karl Mielenhausen _/))
>  16. Fwd: Re:  Fwd:  shaft alignment (Karl Mielenhausen _/))
>  17. Re: Fwd: Re:  LED for Head (Richard A. Walker)
>  18. Re: LED for Head (Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com)
>  19. Re: LED for Head (Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 17:26:54 -0400
> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Wind of solar power
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Message-ID: <257B8440-38C4-4EC2-9AC6-B3284B3765FA at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> I'm on a mooring and would go with solar over wind if I were still
> considering.  Solar is quieter, with little or no maintenance.
> Doesn't have to be totally sunny to work well, either.
>
> The only caveat is if you have (or plan to) any AC devices that
> require lots of current (air conditioning, electric heater, water
> heater) to start/operate.  Then you'd need inverters (to change DC
> into AC); these would place a huge demand on your batteries.  A very
> basic comparison is that there's a 10:1 difference in current draw
> between a device running on 12 volts and one running on 120 volts.  A
> 1200 watt device which requires 10 amps at 120 volts will require 100
> amps (via the inverters) at 12 volts from your batteries.  At that
> point, solar vs wind is moot; a generator might be better.  The
> differences in AC vs DC current is a bit more involved than I
> describe, but perhaps enough to give you an idea.
>
> Bob Seastream
> Intuition, # 906
>
>
> On May 31, 2009, at 12:36 PM, Jeff Hare wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom
>>
>> A good option is to mount a solar panel on davits. Wind gen is good
>> also but has a maint cost to keeping it in working order.
>>
>> We really like the Garhauer davits and sail the boston area also.
>> If we were on a mooring that install would be our first choice.
>>
>> -Jeff
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Thomas Page
>> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Wind of solar power
>> Sent: May 31, 2009 7:45 AM
>>
>> I have my boat on a mooring in Boston and would like to supplement the
>> battery power with either wind or solar.  If I go solar I am
>> thinking of
>> installing on top of the bimini.  Or a wind system on the stern of the
>> boat.  Does anyone have experience with either?
>>
>> Any input would be appreciated
>> Tom Page
>> Jeannette III   Hull #1138
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:17:15 -0400
> From: "Karl Mielenhausen _/)" <c320 at suddenlink.net>
> Subject: [C320-list] LED for Head
> To: "C320IA Discussion List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <op.uuuhq1e7suzdm5 at presarios4000nx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes;
> charset=iso-8859-15
>
> This is especially useful for those of us that cruise (overnight) on the
> boat and are tired of stumbling around for the light switch or flashlight
> for those latenight trips to the head.
>
> Came across this deal and recently installed it in Silver Lining.
> Too timely for the Mainsheet, so I figured I'd pass it along here....
> http://www.goldengadgets.com/p1917/PIR-Auto-Sensor-LED-Lamp/product_info.html
>
> Use coupon code MOM09 to drop the price to $5.39 plus shipping at about
> $2.12
>
>
> Cheers,
> Karl
>
>
> -- 
> Karl Mielenhausen
> Catalina 320 Hull 690
> New Bern, NC
>
> Join us August 7-9, 2009 at Marina Del Rey, CA for our annual Catalina
> 320IA Regatta and Annual Meeting.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:41:02 -0400
> From: "Jon Vez" <jonvez at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] LED for Head
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <002501c9e2b6$3b4877a0$b1d966e0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Karl,
>
> Thanks for passing along--looks like a great idea. Where do you plan on
> attaching it? On a similar topic, has anyone managed to replace one or 
> more
> of the overheads with a red lens for night sailing?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon Vez
> Solstice #582
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Karl
> Mielenhausen _/)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 8:17 AM
> To: C320IA Discussion List
> Subject: [C320-list] LED for Head
>
> This is especially useful for those of us that cruise (overnight) on the
> boat and are tired of stumbling around for the light switch or flashlight
> for those latenight trips to the head.
>
> Came across this deal and recently installed it in Silver Lining.
> Too timely for the Mainsheet, so I figured I'd pass it along here....
> http://www.goldengadgets.com/p1917/PIR-Auto-Sensor-LED-Lamp/product_info.htm
> l
>
> Use coupon code MOM09 to drop the price to $5.39 plus shipping at about
> $2.12
>
>
> Cheers,
> Karl
>
>
> -- 
> Karl Mielenhausen
> Catalina 320 Hull 690
> New Bern, NC
>
> Join us August 7-9, 2009 at Marina Del Rey, CA for our annual Catalina
> 320IA Regatta and Annual Meeting.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:31:07 -0400
> From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] LED for Head
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Message-ID:
> <79721a9c0906010631u2a4d2867k4fa6ab1160c0ea2f at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Thanks Karl...I just ordered.
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Karl Mielenhausen _/)
> <c320 at suddenlink.net>wrote:
>
>> This is especially useful for those of us that cruise (overnight) on the
>> boat and are tired of stumbling around for the light switch or flashlight
>> for those latenight trips to the head.
>>
>> Came across this deal and recently installed it in Silver Lining.
>> Too timely for the Mainsheet, so I figured I'd pass it along here....
>>
>> http://www.goldengadgets.com/p1917/PIR-Auto-Sensor-LED-Lamp/product_info.html
>>
>> Use coupon code MOM09 to drop the price to $5.39 plus shipping at about
>> $2.12
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Karl
>>
>>
>> --
>> Karl Mielenhausen
>> Catalina 320 Hull 690
>> New Bern, NC
>>
>> Join us August 7-9, 2009 at Marina Del Rey, CA for our annual Catalina
>> 320IA Regatta and Annual Meeting.
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Chris Burti Farmville, NC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:27:55 -0400
> From: wflowe3 at netscape.net
> Subject: [C320-list] shaft alignment
> To: c320-list at catalina320.com
> Message-ID: <8CBB0DC49E443B5-10C4-3E4 at WEBMAIL-DF13.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I have a recently purchased 2008 320. Love the boat but when motoring, I 
> get a noisy "rattle" from 2100 to 2900 rpms.? It has been suggested that 
> the shaft alignmrnt may be off.?? According to the manual, the alignment 
> is adjusted by? motor mounts. Has anyone done this alignment themselves 
> and is it a DIY type job?
>
> Thanx
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:40:58 +0000
> From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] shaft alignment
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Message-ID:
> <1045899530-1243867257-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1334622622- at bxe1092.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> There is a great procedure on the website for doing the alignment that has 
> worked well for me and is quite easy once you understand the process.
>
> JHare
> ------Original Message------
> From: wflowe3 at netscape.net
> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> To: c320-list at catalina320.com
> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] shaft alignment
> Sent: Jun 1, 2009 10:27 AM
>
> I have a recently purchased 2008 320. Love the boat but when motoring, I 
> get a noisy "rattle" from 2100 to 2900 rpms.? It has been suggested that 
> the shaft alignmrnt may be off.?? According to the manual, the alignment 
> is adjusted by? motor mounts. Has anyone done this alignment themselves 
> and is it a DIY type job?
>
> Thanx
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:42:17 +0000
> From: "Rick Evans" <ericstillwellevans at gmail.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] Top off charge for batteries
> To: c320-list at catalina320.com
> Message-ID:
> <1924954937-1243867479-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1677951323- at bxe1299.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> My boat is not in the water yet probably be in this week. I checked the 
> battery levels yesterday and they are in the first yellow section.
>
> Here's my two questions;
> 1 suppose that's enough to crank the engine and get it started?
> 2 what is the proper way to top off a charge? Can I simply use a trickle 
> charger like a car battery etc?
>
> Thanks
> Rick
> A Careful Wish 724
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:31:41 -0700
> From: "Richard A. Walker" <dickwalker at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] LED for Head
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <EC5E28CBA878428B803F5EDF11EA1002 at D53ZJN31>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Thanks Karl.
>
> You might also mount one on the bulkhead to illuminate the ladder at 
> night.
> Has anyone tried the replacement LED lights for the cabin; replacing the
> halogen bulbs?
>
> If they are bright enough they sure would reduce the power demands at 
> night.
>
> Cheers,
> ?
> Dick Walker
> C-320 (687) WindWalker II
> 740 Olive Ave.
> Coronado, CA 92118-2136
> 619.435.8986
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Karl
> Mielenhausen _/)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:17 AM
> To: C320IA Discussion List
> Subject: [C320-list] LED for Head
>
> This is especially useful for those of us that cruise (overnight) on the
> boat and are tired of stumbling around for the light switch or flashlight
> for those latenight trips to the head.
>
> Came across this deal and recently installed it in Silver Lining.
> Too timely for the Mainsheet, so I figured I'd pass it along here....
> http://www.goldengadgets.com/p1917/PIR-Auto-Sensor-LED-Lamp/product_info.htm
> l
>
> Use coupon code MOM09 to drop the price to $5.39 plus shipping at about
> $2.12
>
>
> Cheers,
> Karl
>
>
> -- 
> Karl Mielenhausen
> Catalina 320 Hull 690
> New Bern, NC
>
> Join us August 7-9, 2009 at Marina Del Rey, CA for our annual Catalina
> 320IA Regatta and Annual Meeting.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:48:59 -0400
> From: "Karl Mielenhausen _/)" <c320 at suddenlink.net>
> Subject: [C320-list] Fwd: Re:  LED for Head
> To: "C320IA Discussion List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <op.uuuubxrxsuzdm5 at presarios4000nx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes;
> charset=iso-8859-15
>
> Jon and Dick,
>
> I have (temporarily with velcro) mounted it near the mirror, pretty much
> directly above the sink.
> http://www.catalina320.com/mediagallery/media.php?f=0&sort=0&s=20090601092622839
> I'll probably epoxy it onto the liner once I'm satisfied with the 
> location.
>
> Regarding the overheads, I recently purchased an assortment of MR-16 style
> LEDs, many from eBay in an attempt to find one with decent light output as
> a replacement for the halogens. BTW, I did see the recent Practical Sailor
> report, but found many of those LEDs to be overpriced (read: boat
> specific).
> Some of the units were available in red. Try a search of eBay for "mr16
> red led". Based on my testing, you'll want at least 21 leds in the array,
> or better yet, the newer, brighter SMT style (they are small squares,
> surface mounted).
> Here is a summary of my findings (still a work in progress and possibly a
> future Mainsheet article)....
> http://www.catalina320.com/filemgmt/index.php?id=107
>
> Karl
>
>
> ------- Forwarded message -------
> From: "Jon Vez" <jonvez at comcast.net>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] LED for Head
> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:41:02 -0400
>
> Karl,
>
> Thanks for passing along--looks like a great idea. Where do you plan on
> attaching it? On a similar topic, has anyone managed to replace one or 
> more
> of the overheads with a red lens for night sailing?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon Vez
> Solstice #582
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Karl
> Mielenhausen _/)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 8:17 AM
> To: C320IA Discussion List
> Subject: [C320-list] LED for Head
>
> This is especially useful for those of us that cruise (overnight) on the
> boat and are tired of stumbling around for the light switch or flashlight
> for those latenight trips to the head.
>
> Came across this deal and recently installed it in Silver Lining.
> Too timely for the Mainsheet, so I figured I'd pass it along here....
> http://www.goldengadgets.com/p1917/PIR-Auto-Sensor-LED-Lamp/product_info.htm
> l
>
> Use coupon code MOM09 to drop the price to $5.39 plus shipping at about
> $2.12
>
>
> Cheers,
> Karl
>
>
>
> -- 
> Karl Mielenhausen
> Catalina 320 Hull 690
> New Bern, NC
>
> Join us August 7-9, 2009 at Marina Del Rey, CA for our annual Catalina
> 320IA Regatta and Annual Meeting.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:08:27 -0400
> From: "Karl Mielenhausen _/)" <c320 at suddenlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Top off charge for batteries
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Message-ID: <op.uuuu8d1gsuzdm5 at presarios4000nx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes;
> charset=iso-8859-15
>
> Rick,
>
> By "first yellow" do you mean 11.2 - 11.8 vDC? If so, you may have 
> trouble.
> That's pretty well discharged. I sure hope they didn't freeze over the
> winter. Have you checked acid levels?
>
> I would crank for 10 seconds with the 3 decompression levers in the
> "decompressed" position to exercise the engine. Then return to the
> "normal" positions and try to start. Probably want to be on "Both" unless
> the batteries have significantly different charge states.
>
> If you are talking about using a trickle charger, why don't you run a
> 120vAC extension cord to the boat and use the onboard (shorepower) battery
> charger? You should be able to borrow the necessary pigtail connector, if
> you don't have one.
>
> Karl
>
>
> On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:42:17 -0400, Rick Evans
> <ericstillwellevans at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My boat is not in the water yet probably be in this week. I checked the
>> battery levels yesterday and they are in the first yellow section.
>>
>> Here's my two questions;
>> 1 suppose that's enough to crank the engine and get it started?
>> 2 what is the proper way to top off a charge? Can I simply use a trickle
>> charger like a car battery etc?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Rick
>> A Careful Wish 724
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>
>
> -- 
> Karl Mielenhausen
> Catalina 320 Hull 690
> New Bern, NC
>
> Join us August 7-9, 2009 at Marina Del Rey, CA for our annual Catalina
> 320IA Regatta and Annual Meeting.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:18:31 -0400
> From: "Karl Mielenhausen _/)" <c320 at suddenlink.net>
> Subject: [C320-list] Fwd:  shaft alignment
> To: "C320IA Discussion List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <op.uuuvo5kmsuzdm5 at presarios4000nx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes;
> charset=iso-8859-15
>
> Good chance that one of your jack-nuts has come loose and the alignment is
> off. If you find the offending nut, you may get away with just tightening
> it back up.
>
> The full procedure is here....
> http://www.catalina320.com/filemgmt/index.php?id=80
> and worksheet here....
> http://www.catalina320.com/filemgmt/index.php?id=81
>
> In addition to the necessary wrenches, you'll need an feeler gauge (old
> style with the 3-4" blades) and a piece of .015" shim stock (or 2 sets of
> feeler gauges).
>
> Call me at 252-638-1433 if you have questions.
>
> Karl
>
> ------- Forwarded message -------
> From: wflowe3 at netscape.net
> To: c320-list at catalina320.com
> Cc:
> Subject: [C320-list] shaft alignment
> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:27:55 -0400
>
> I have a recently purchased 2008 320. Love the boat but when motoring, I
> get a noisy "rattle" from 2100 to 2900 rpms.? It has been suggested that
> the shaft alignmrnt may be off.?? According to the manual, the alignment
> is adjusted by? motor mounts. Has anyone done this alignment themselves
> and is it a DIY type job?
>
> Thanx
>
>
>
> -- 
> Karl Mielenhausen
> Catalina 320 Hull 690
> New Bern, NC
>
> Join us August 7-9, 2009 at Marina Del Rey, CA for our annual Catalina
> 320IA Regatta and Annual Meeting.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:39:38 -0400
> From: "warren updike" <wupdike at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fresh water leak
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <BAY114-DAV7E71DC183EDEF3AED8EEDBE4C0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> A suggestion of anti-chafe gear for wires/hoses that pass through 
> partitions
> and bulkheads: Take a section of plastic hose sufficient to give approx. 
> 1"
> extension beyond each side of a partition or bulkhead, slit it 
> length-wise,
> slide over the wire/hose and through the partition or bulkhead.  Better 
> yet,
> if you can slide it over one end of the wire/hose, don't slit it, just use
> it whole.
>
> Warren & Pattie Updike
> Catalina 320, #62, "Warr De Mar"
> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Stumpp [mailto:bstumpp at comcast.net]
> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 10:08 PM
> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Fresh water leak
>
> Jim,
>
> Thanks for letting us know the source of your leaks.  We have #647 and 
> will
> check to make sure ours aren't chafing too.
>
> BTW, do you still have the valves for switching your tanks under the aft
> berth?  If you do, now that you know how all your lines are routed it 
> might
> be a good time to consider moving the valves under the galley sink...makes
> them much easier to open/close
>
> Bruce
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 05:30:54 -0600
> From: "jim pasley" <paslej1 at charter.net>
> Subject: [C320-list] Fresh water leak
> To: <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <831512DFFA6245939F70294D4B2B0EA6 at Jim>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Woo Hoo! I founds the leak!  It turns out I had two leaks. Both on the 
> feed
> lines to my tanks. On the aft tank, where the feed line runs through a
> rabbit hole after passing through the bigle area under the motor, the line
> had chafed on the edge of the hole and was leaking  (this was the biggest
> leak). Same thing on the line from the forward tank coming out of the 
> rabbit
> hole just before the pump under the
> aft cabin berth (small leak, but was dripping pretty good) I cured the
> problem by running new supply lines and insulating the areas where the 
> lines
> run through the holes. Only thing I can figure is that vibration over the
> years wore on the lines. The holes were very rough with sharp fiberglass
> edges.  Filled both tanks, pressurized the system and it is working great
> now with no leaks. Thanks you all for your help. Needless to say. I have
> learned everything there is to know about where my lines are and how they
> are routed. You guys are the greatest! It is 90 degress here today and I 
> am
> heading out for a great day on the water. Thanks again.
>
> Jim Pasley
> Dream Weaver # 691 Lake Ozark, Missouri
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:41:26 -0400
> From: Rick Evans <ericstillwellevans at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Top off charge for batteries
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Message-ID:
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> Karl,
>
> On the on board battery volt meter on the electrical panel I mean first
> yellow after the green. They are barely out of the green.
>
> As for onboard charger Im always on a mooring so I have no experience with
> the onboard charger etc, and have no idea how to use it etc.
>
> If you could give me some instructions that would be great this way I will
> have them drop the boat in and plug in at the dock.
>
> Thanks for the info
> Rick
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Karl Mielenhausen _/)
> <c320 at suddenlink.net>wrote:
>
>> Rick,
>>
>> By "first yellow" do you mean 11.2 - 11.8 vDC? If so, you may have 
>> trouble.
>> That's pretty well discharged. I sure hope they didn't freeze over the
>> winter. Have you checked acid levels?
>>
>> I would crank for 10 seconds with the 3 decompression levers in the
>> "decompressed" position to exercise the engine. Then return to the 
>> "normal"
>> positions and try to start. Probably want to be on "Both" unless the
>> batteries have significantly different charge states.
>>
>> If you are talking about using a trickle charger, why don't you run a
>> 120vAC extension cord to the boat and use the onboard (shorepower) 
>> battery
>> charger? You should be able to borrow the necessary pigtail connector, if
>> you don't have one.
>>
>> Karl
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:42:17 -0400, Rick Evans <
>> ericstillwellevans at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  My boat is not in the water yet probably be in this week. I checked the
>>> battery levels yesterday and they are in the first yellow section.
>>>
>>> Here's my two questions;
>>> 1 suppose that's enough to crank the engine and get it started?
>>> 2 what is the proper way to top off a charge? Can I simply use a trickle
>>> charger like a car battery etc?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Rick
>>> A Careful Wish 724
>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Karl Mielenhausen
>> Catalina 320 Hull 690
>> New Bern, NC
>>
>> Join us August 7-9, 2009 at Marina Del Rey, CA for our annual Catalina
>> 320IA Regatta and Annual Meeting.
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:57:52 -0400
> From: wflowe3 at netscape.net
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fwd:  shaft alignment
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Message-ID: <8CBB0F99E0BFFDF-B20-85A at WEBMAIL-MY25.sysops.aol.com>
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>
>
> Not sure what you mean by jack nuts. Are these on the bolts that hold the 
> 2 coupling plates together?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl Mielenhausen _/) <c320 at suddenlink.net>
> To: C320IA Discussion List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:18 pm
> Subject: [C320-list] Fwd:  shaft alignment
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Good chance that one of your jack-nuts has come loose and the alignment is 
> off. If you find the offending nut, you may get away with just tightening 
> it back up.?
> ?
>
> The full procedure is here....?
>
> http://www.catalina320.com/filemgmt/index.php?id=80?
>
> and worksheet here....?
>
> http://www.catalina320.com/filemgmt/index.php?id=81?
> ?
>
> In addition to the necessary wrenches, you'll need an feeler gauge (old 
> style with the 3-4" blades) and a piece of .015" shim stock (or 2 sets of 
> feeler gauges).?
> ?
>
> Call me at 252-638-1433 if you have questions.?
> ?
>
> Karl?
> ?
>
> ------- Forwarded message -------?
>
> From: wflowe3 at netscape.net?
>
> To: c320-list at catalina320.com?
>
> Cc:?
>
> Subject: [C320-list] shaft alignment?
>
> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:27:55 -0400?
> ?
>
> I have a recently purchased 2008 320. Love the boat but when motoring, I?
>
> get a noisy "rattle" from 2100 to 2900 rpms.? It has been suggested that?
>
> the shaft alignmrnt may be off.?? According to the manual, the alignment?
>
> is adjusted by? motor mounts. Has anyone done this alignment themselves?
>
> and is it a DIY type job??
> ?
>
> Thanx?
> ?
>
> ?
>
> --Karl Mielenhausen?
>
> Catalina 320 Hull 690?
>
> New Bern, NC?
> ?
>
> Join us August 7-9, 2009 at Marina Del Rey, CA for our annual Catalina 
> 320IA Regatta and Annual Meeting.?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:04:20 -0400
> From: "Karl Mielenhausen _/)" <c320 at suddenlink.net>
> Subject: [C320-list] Fwd: Re:  Top off charge for batteries
> To: "C320IA Discussion List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
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> Rick,
>
> OK... that's much more energy and probably will crank OK.
> However, it's not a bad idea to use the multistage charger before you
> launch as the alternator never will quite take the batteries to full
> charge.
> I'd water them first in any event.
> Turn your main AC breaker ON in the rear port quarter lazarette (opposite
> to where the shorepower plug is).
> On the electrical panel, turn on the AC breaker and the charger/inverter
> switch ON.
> Make sure the water heater is OFF.
> Then when they plug you in, the batteries should charge. Battery position
> switch is unimportant as the charger leads are led right to the batteries.
>
> Karl
>
>
> ------- Forwarded message -------
> From: "Rick Evans" <ericstillwellevans at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Top off charge for batteries
> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:41:26 -0400
>
> Karl,
>
> On the on board battery volt meter on the electrical panel I mean first
> yellow after the green. They are barely out of the green.
>
> As for onboard charger Im always on a mooring so I have no experience with
> the onboard charger etc, and have no idea how to use it etc.
>
> If you could give me some instructions that would be great this way I will
> have them drop the boat in and plug in at the dock.
>
> Thanks for the info
> Rick
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Karl Mielenhausen _/)
> <c320 at suddenlink.net>wrote:
>
>> Rick,
>>
>> By "first yellow" do you mean 11.2 - 11.8 vDC? If so, you may have
>> trouble.
>> That's pretty well discharged. I sure hope they didn't freeze over the
>> winter. Have you checked acid levels?
>>
>> I would crank for 10 seconds with the 3 decompression levers in the
>> "decompressed" position to exercise the engine. Then return to the
>> "normal"
>> positions and try to start. Probably want to be on "Both" unless the
>> batteries have significantly different charge states.
>>
>> If you are talking about using a trickle charger, why don't you run a
>> 120vAC extension cord to the boat and use the onboard (shorepower)
>> battery
>> charger? You should be able to borrow the necessary pigtail connector, if
>> you don't have one.
>>
>> Karl
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:42:17 -0400, Rick Evans <
>> ericstillwellevans at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  My boat is not in the water yet probably be in this week. I checked the
>>> battery levels yesterday and they are in the first yellow section.
>>>
>>> Here's my two questions;
>>> 1 suppose that's enough to crank the engine and get it started?
>>> 2 what is the proper way to top off a charge? Can I simply use a trickle
>>> charger like a car battery etc?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Rick
>>> A Careful Wish 724
>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Karl Mielenhausen
>> Catalina 320 Hull 690
>> New Bern, NC
>>
>> Join us August 7-9, 2009 at Marina Del Rey, CA for our annual Catalina
>> 320IA Regatta and Annual Meeting.
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Karl Mielenhausen
> Catalina 320 Hull 690
> New Bern, NC
>
> Join us August 7-9, 2009 at Marina Del Rey, CA for our annual Catalina
> 320IA Regatta and Annual Meeting.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:12:16 -0400
> From: "Karl Mielenhausen _/)" <c320 at suddenlink.net>
> Subject: [C320-list] Fwd: Re:  Fwd:  shaft alignment
> To: "C320IA Discussion List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <op.uuux6qmfsuzdm5 at presarios4000nx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes;
> charset=iso-8859-15
>
> No, they are on the motor mount where it attaches to the engine...
> http://www.catalina320.com/mediagallery/mediaobjects/disp/2/2_aft 
> mount.jpg
>
> There is a nut below and one above the attachment "ear". The lower one can
> come loose and back down. That causes that corner of the engine to have no
> support. In my case, it was the forward mount, port side, where the nut
> had backed down.
>
> I recommend that all owners check and tighten these annually.
>
> Karl
>
> ------- Forwarded message -------
> From: wflowe3 at netscape.net
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fwd:  shaft alignment
> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:57:52 -0400
>
>
>   Not sure what you mean by jack nuts. Are these on the bolts that hold 
> the
> 2 coupling plates together?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl Mielenhausen _/) <c320 at suddenlink.net>
> To: C320IA Discussion List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Sent: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:18 pm
> Subject: [C320-list] Fwd:  shaft alignment
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Good chance that one of your jack-nuts has come loose and the alignment is
> off. If you find the offending nut, you may get away with just tightening
> it back up.?
> ?
>
> The full procedure is here....?
>
> http://www.catalina320.com/filemgmt/index.php?id=80?
>
> and worksheet here....?
>
> http://www.catalina320.com/filemgmt/index.php?id=81?
> ?
>
> In addition to the necessary wrenches, you'll need an feeler gauge (old
> style with the 3-4" blades) and a piece of .015" shim stock (or 2 sets of
> feeler gauges).?
> ?
>
> Call me at 252-638-1433 if you have questions.?
> ?
>
> Karl?
> ?
>
> ------- Forwarded message -------?
>
> From: wflowe3 at netscape.net?
>
> To: c320-list at catalina320.com?
>
> Cc:?
>
> Subject: [C320-list] shaft alignment?
>
> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:27:55 -0400?
> ?
>
> I have a recently purchased 2008 320. Love the boat but when motoring, I?
>
> get a noisy "rattle" from 2100 to 2900 rpms.? It has been suggested that?
>
> the shaft alignmrnt may be off.?? According to the manual, the alignment?
>
> is adjusted by? motor mounts. Has anyone done this alignment themselves?
>
> and is it a DIY type job??
> ?
>
> Thanx?
> ?
>
> ?
>
> --Karl Mielenhausen?
>
> Catalina 320 Hull 690?
>
> New Bern, NC?
> ?
>
> Join us August 7-9, 2009 at Marina Del Rey, CA for our annual Catalina
> 320IA Regatta and Annual Meeting.?
>
>
>
> -- 
> Karl Mielenhausen
> Catalina 320 Hull 690
> New Bern, NC
>
> Join us August 7-9, 2009 at Marina Del Rey, CA for our annual Catalina
> 320IA Regatta and Annual Meeting.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:24:57 -0700
> From: "Richard A. Walker" <dickwalker at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fwd: Re:  LED for Head
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Message-ID: <E583771B0AB44171B931DBC1C8DF0CE7 at D53ZJN31>
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>
> Karl thanks for your great work.
>
> Do you now recommend one as a replacement?  Do they easily fit our lights.
> I am thinking of only replacing about 6.
>
> AND as A Bonus:
>
> The Original Caesar Salad
>
>>From the Wind Walker II Galley
>
> But stolen from the original Caesar Hotel in Tijuana, Baja California
> Mexico from whence it was invented about 1930.
>
>
> 1 small clove garlic, crushed ?  cup Olive Oil (6 teaspoons)
> 1 cup dry French Bread cubes (1/2 Inch) 1 large head of romaine lettuce,
> washed and torn into bite sized pieces
> ? teaspoon salt 1 egg
> 1 lemon, juice only Dash Worcestershire sauce
> ? cup Parmesan Cheese 3-4 Anchovy fillets
> ? teaspoon English dry mustard Dash freshly ground pepper
>
>
> 1. Crush garlic in a small bowl and add Olive. Let stand several hours.
> 2. Place about 2 tablespoons of the garlic oil in a skillet over medium
> heat.  Add the bread cubes and toast them until lightly brown, stirring
> often.  You can make the croutons up to a day before.
> 3. Place the lettuce in a large salad bowl and season with salt and
> pepper, Worchester sauce and dry mustard.  Add the remaining ? cup of 
> olive
> oil and mix until every leaf is glossy.
> 4. Coddle the egg in hot water 1 minute exactly.  (You can use a
> pasteurized egg).
> 5. Break the egg into the salad.
> 6. Squeeze in the lemon juice and mix thoroughly.
> 7. Add the chopped anchovies and parmesan cheese and mix again
> 8. Add the croutons and mix gently
> 9. Taste for seasoning
> 10. Serve at once.  Serves about 6 for salad, 2 for main course.  We
> also add grilled chicken or shrimp.
>
> (I like to place 3-4 anchovies on top.)
>
> Cheers,
> ?
> Dick Walker
> C-320 (687) WindWalker II
> 740 Olive Ave.
> Coronado, CA 92118-2136
> 619.435.8986
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Karl
> Mielenhausen _/)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 9:49 AM
> To: C320IA Discussion List
> Subject: [C320-list] Fwd: Re: LED for Head
>
> Jon and Dick,
>
> I have (temporarily with velcro) mounted it near the mirror, pretty much
> directly above the sink.
> http://www.catalina320.com/mediagallery/media.php?f=0&sort=0&s=2009060109262
> 2839
> I'll probably epoxy it onto the liner once I'm satisfied with the 
> location.
>
> Regarding the overheads, I recently purchased an assortment of MR-16 style
> LEDs, many from eBay in an attempt to find one with decent light output as
> a replacement for the halogens. BTW, I did see the recent Practical Sailor
> report, but found many of those LEDs to be overpriced (read: boat
> specific).
> Some of the units were available in red. Try a search of eBay for "mr16
> red led". Based on my testing, you'll want at least 21 leds in the array,
> or better yet, the newer, brighter SMT style (they are small squares,
> surface mounted).
> Here is a summary of my findings (still a work in progress and possibly a
> future Mainsheet article)....
> http://www.catalina320.com/filemgmt/index.php?id=107
>
> Karl
>
>
> ------- Forwarded message -------
> From: "Jon Vez" <jonvez at comcast.net>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] LED for Head
> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:41:02 -0400
>
> Karl,
>
> Thanks for passing along--looks like a great idea. Where do you plan on
> attaching it? On a similar topic, has anyone managed to replace one or 
> more
> of the overheads with a red lens for night sailing?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon Vez
> Solstice #582
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Karl
> Mielenhausen _/)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 8:17 AM
> To: C320IA Discussion List
> Subject: [C320-list] LED for Head
>
> This is especially useful for those of us that cruise (overnight) on the
> boat and are tired of stumbling around for the light switch or flashlight
> for those latenight trips to the head.
>
> Came across this deal and recently installed it in Silver Lining.
> Too timely for the Mainsheet, so I figured I'd pass it along here....
> http://www.goldengadgets.com/p1917/PIR-Auto-Sensor-LED-Lamp/product_info.htm
> l
>
> Use coupon code MOM09 to drop the price to $5.39 plus shipping at about
> $2.12
>
>
> Cheers,
> Karl
>
>
>
> -- 
> Karl Mielenhausen
> Catalina 320 Hull 690
> New Bern, NC
>
> Join us August 7-9, 2009 at Marina Del Rey, CA for our annual Catalina
> 320IA Regatta and Annual Meeting.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:28:56 -0700
> From: Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] LED for Head
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Message-ID:
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>
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>
> Both www.imtra.com  &  www.marinebeam.com have great LED options...I just
> swapped out all cl 3's halogens with these from marinebeam (warm
> white)...great light output, as much as the halogens and only use
> milliamps---I also bought a couple of the red ones
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> Thanks Karl.
>
> You might also mount one on the bulkhead to illuminate the ladder at
> night.
> Has anyone tried the replacement LED lights for the cabin; replacing the
> halogen bulbs?
>
> If they are bright enough they sure would reduce the power demands at
> night.
>
> Cheers,
> Dick Walker
> C-320 (687) WindWalker II
> 740 Olive Ave.
> Coronado, CA 92118-2136
> 619.435.8986
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Karl
> Mielenhausen _/)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:17 AM
> To: C320IA Discussion List
> Subject: [C320-list] LED for Head
>
> This is especially useful for those of us that cruise (overnight) on the
> boat and are tired of stumbling around for the light switch or flashlight
>
> for those latenight trips to the head.
>
> Came across this deal and recently installed it in Silver Lining.
> Too timely for the Mainsheet, so I figured I'd pass it along here....
> http://www.goldengadgets.com/p1917/PIR-Auto-Sensor-LED-Lamp/product_info.htm
>
> l
>
> Use coupon code MOM09 to drop the price to $5.39 plus shipping at about
> $2.12
>
>
> Cheers,
> Karl
>
>
> --
> Karl Mielenhausen
> Catalina 320 Hull 690
> New Bern, NC
>
> Join us August 7-9, 2009 at Marina Del Rey, CA for our annual Catalina
> 320IA Regatta and Annual Meeting.
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:30:27 -0700
> From: Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] LED for Head
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
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> Something I tried for the heads are those LED 'pucks' from
> Costco...there's 3 in a package...they stick on, work great and use AA
> batteries...
>
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>
>
> Thanks Karl.
>
> You might also mount one on the bulkhead to illuminate the ladder at
> night.
> Has anyone tried the replacement LED lights for the cabin; replacing the
> halogen bulbs?
>
> If they are bright enough they sure would reduce the power demands at
> night.
>
> Cheers,
> Dick Walker
> C-320 (687) WindWalker II
> 740 Olive Ave.
> Coronado, CA 92118-2136
> 619.435.8986
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Karl
> Mielenhausen _/)
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:17 AM
> To: C320IA Discussion List
> Subject: [C320-list] LED for Head
>
> This is especially useful for those of us that cruise (overnight) on the
> boat and are tired of stumbling around for the light switch or flashlight
>
> for those latenight trips to the head.
>
> Came across this deal and recently installed it in Silver Lining.
> Too timely for the Mainsheet, so I figured I'd pass it along here....
> http://www.goldengadgets.com/p1917/PIR-Auto-Sensor-LED-Lamp/product_info.htm
>
> l
>
> Use coupon code MOM09 to drop the price to $5.39 plus shipping at about
> $2.12
>
>
> Cheers,
> Karl
>
>
> --
> Karl Mielenhausen
> Catalina 320 Hull 690
> New Bern, NC
>
> Join us August 7-9, 2009 at Marina Del Rey, CA for our annual Catalina
> 320IA Regatta and Annual Meeting.
>
>
>
>
>
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