[C320-list] Distilled water and levels
Robert Seastream
robert.seastream at comcast.net
Mon Jun 8 14:23:59 PDT 2009
Orlando, I think (hope) the posting about 'maintenance free batteries
that really aren't' referred to the wet cell variety, not gel or
AGM. Most of the wet cell 'maintenance free' battery depend on
electrolyte vapor coalescing on the cell covers, then dripping back
into the battery, thus no need to add water. In practice, that
doesn't work well, particularly if said battery is subject to heavy
charge/discharge cycles. I think that design was ideal for 'start'
batteries, nothing more. There's no reason to 'open' a gel or AGM
battery for maintenance.
Bob
On Jun 8, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com wrote:
> I want to see one posting here that does make any reference to anyone
> having an EE, MSEE, PhD or any other type of engineering
> degree...folks
> always make mentions like that as if that's the last word on any
> subject....
>
> The AGM's and gel cell are fairly close in material make up...both are
> considered 'acid starved', in a gel cell the electrolyte has the
> consistency and appearance of petroleum jelly. In AGM, the
> electrolyte is
> trapped in a sponge-like matted fiber separator material--If you
> open the
> cells in AGM you introduce oxygen into the battery and it would
> 'poison'
> the battery--your RPE with the Master's in EE should bone up on
> battery
> technology before he says that you should open AGM battery cells and
> add
> water
>
>
>
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> The AGM batteries are FANTASTIC, but expensive---if you are
> maintenance
> challenged, the AGM choice is for you--however, if you are wanting the
> best value for your $$$ and will take care of the batteries, then the
> flooded cells are the answer. Incidently, the "maintenance free"
> batteries really are not!! To get the maximum life--you will need to
> 'open' the cells and add distilled water.---Just ask any Registered
> Professional Engineer with a master's in EE.
> OBUOY #219
> --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
> wrote:
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> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Distilled water and levels
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 3:21 PM
>
>
> I paid $170 each (through my yard) for two Penn 4D wet cells. I was
> leaning toward two Lifeline AGM's, albeit at twice the price but the
> local
> 'Batteries Plus' distributor never got back to me. Then, I figured
> I'd go
> with wet cells and save buying AGM's for 'the last boat we'll ever
> buy'.
> :-)
>
> Bob Seastream
> Intuition # 906
>
>
> On Jun 7, 2009, at 10:46 PM, Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com wrote:
>
>> I would suggest you look at battery distributors in your
>> area..Internet
> is good for that...
>>
>> One thing I found is that there's a hug price difference relative to
> which distributor you choose...
>>
>> Look at Penn Batteries and Lifeline as two of the manufacturers...
>>
>> I just bought Penn 8D's for $400 each, they have 245ah...I bought
>> 3-8D
> house plus a GR27 AGM starter as well
>> ----------------------------------
>> Regards,
>> OD
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rick Evans" [ericstillwellevans at gmail.com]
>> Sent: 06/08/2009 02:30 AM GMT
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Distilled water and levels
>>
>>
>>
>> Let me ask the obvious what would a pair of replacements cost for our
> 320's?
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Jack McDonough" <mcdonough5 at verizon.net>
>>
>> Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 19:29:41
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Distilled water and levels
>>
>>
>> Allan: Thank you. I'll have to look into that option. My original
> batteries
>> (2003 boat) are getting long in the tooth, I suppose.
>>
>> jack
>> #947
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Allan S. Field" <allan.field at verizon.net>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Distilled water and levels
>>
>>
>>> Absorbed Glass Mat, the latest evolution in deep cycle and starting
>>> batteries. They don't leak, freeze or require maintenance plus can
>>> be
>>> stored
>>> for a long period of time without charging.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Jack
>>> McDonough
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 7:45 PM
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Distilled water and levels
>>>
>>> OK. I'll admit my ignorance. What's an AGM battery?
>>>
>>> jack
>>> #947
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Crashley" <crashley at gte.net>
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 12:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Distilled water and levels
>>>
>>>
>>>> This is why I opted for AGM batteries. No adding of water required.
>>>>
>>>> Rosebud #882
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Chris Ashley's iPhone
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>>>>
>>>> On Jun 7, 2009, at 11:01 AM, "Rick Evans"
> <ericstillwellevans at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I saw the tubes its a bit lower than them now. I will fill to
>>>>> bottom.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the advice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I'm scared and will go call a trained professional :). Kidding
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 13:44:44
>>>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Distilled water and levels
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> :) Yea, there is a tube that extends down from the fill holes.
>>>>> If
> you
>>>>> fill until the water touches the bottom of those fill tubes,
>>>>> you're
>>>>> about right. Flashlight will show what I'm referring to. It's
>>>>> best
>>>>> not
>>>
>>>>> to fill them right to the top because they'll leak acid when
> charging
>>>>> and that's a mess.
>>>>>
>>>>> It might be necessary to hire a trained professional for this
>>>>> job...
> :)
>>>>> (kidding. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> -Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com ] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Rick
>>>>> Evans
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 1:01 PM
>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Distilled water and levels
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL orlando so use common sense. Hmm I think I have a little left.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Orlando.Duran at AveryDennison.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 09:58:03
>>>>> To: C320-List<C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Distilled water and levels
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How much liquid would you fill a glass with?
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no rocket science to this, fill it till you think it's
>>>>> just
>>>>> about right...
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure if you need a marine electrical book for this...
>>>>>
>>>>> If it spills over, you've filled it too much...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> OD
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Rick Evans" [ericstillwellevans at gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: 06/07/2009 04:26 PM GMT
>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Distilled water and levels
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok once again I have a simple battery question (ineed to buy a
> marine
>>>>> electrical book cause I am not knowledgeable at this point)
>>>>>
>>>>> it seems the acid in my batteries is low so I need to fill with
> regular
>>>>> distilled water correct?
>>>>> Real question how much? To the top? A little lower than the top?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the help
>>>>> Rick
>>>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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