[C320-list] Steering wire break

[Ken Danko]

CR:

I looked closely at mine too and just a few months before it failed. The 
insidious nature of my cable failure was that it was in a place where a 
visual inspection could only be performed after disconnecting the cables 
from the drive wheel. I didn't do that. Who would, it's a lot of work to 
detach and reattach the cables. When I inspected it I saw no broken 
strands but I now know that there were broken strands, they just weren't 
visible.

If you do remove the cabels to inspect them, you should run your little 
finger in the hole where the cables run from the outside to the inside 
of the drive wheel to make sure that there is no sharp edge.

Ken Danko
#802, Grace

crashley at gte.net wrote:
> I still don't get it. I looked closely at my "radial drive wheel" (as Edson
> calls it in their catalog) and the point where the cables go "inside" to the
> tensioners looks to be a nice rounded corner that is part of the drive
> wheel. Certainly the cable bend has a larger radius than where the cables
> tie off around the eyes at the end of the cables. The only bolts I see
> around there are the ones that hold the tether-style rudder stop bracket,
> but I don't think the cables even touch those. I'd like to know where this
> wear point is and if it is even applicable to my steering system.
>
> Thanks,
>
> CR Ashley
> Rosebud C320 Hull #882
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> Now I'm confused again. I'll go look at my quadrant.
>
> Thanks,
>
> CR Ashley
> Rosebud C320 Hull #882
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> bruceheyman at cox.net
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> You have to reverse the cables on the sheaves as well...sort of like two
> wrongs make a right.
> Bruce
> Somerset 671 SoCal
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> From: <crashley at gte.net>
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> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:10:18
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Steering wire break
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> This is probably a dumb question, but if you reverse the cables on the
> quadrant it would seem that the steering would end up reversed(!) I'm sure
> this is not the case so I'll take a look at the cable configuration you guys
> are talking about.
>
> CR Ashley
> Rosebud C320 Hull #882
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> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of
> argates2nd at comcast.net
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:04 PM
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> Ken, 
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> Mine broke in the same place as yours and was routed the Edson way = port to
> port.  I did not notice the sharp place although I ran a finger over the
> entire radial drive wheel, but if it is there I got a double whammy with the
> screw threads as well.   I will try the crossing route next.   Rollie 
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Danko" <ken320 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:55:32 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Steering wire break 
>
> Rollie: 
>
> It sounds like your cable might have broken in the same place as mine. 
>
> There is a difference of opinion about how the cables should be connected to
> the radial disk on the rudder post. Mine broke just where the cable ran from
> the outside of the radial disk to the inside where it connects. I could put
> my little finger in there and could feel a sharp edge. My rigger, and the
> manager of the yard I use, both said that the cable running on the port side
> of the radial disk should connect on the starboard side. Edison says that
> the cable running on the port side of the radial disk should connect on the
> port side. If I follow Edison's advice then the cable runs over the sharp
> edge, if I follow my rigger's advice it does not. 
>
> Guess who I trusted? 
>
> Ken 
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> argates2nd at comcast.net wrote: 
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>> Ken,
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>> I will try the Ft. Myers rigger but I still need to get one bolt out 
>> below the compass for access to remove the entire wire.  I got that 
>> far
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> with a flashlight about 2 hours ago so no pictures.
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>> The break was aft of the tightening adjustment bolts and right after 
>> it
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> enters the big quadrant pulley wheel headed to the eye bolts. 
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>> That entry point is about 1" wide, and the wire runs out there in both 
>> directions.  The rudder reference unit was screwed in from below that
>>     
> entry point and about 1/4" of the screws were exposed in between the two
> wires running out, so I suspect that the wire was loose enough (1" play per
> foot is normal I believe) that the wire wore on the SS screw threads, which
> will be removed when I replace the wires.
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>> I feel fortunate that no one of our crew of 5 was hurt and that the 
>> mishap occurred in the middle of the race course and not in traffic at 
>> the start or when rounding the committee boat mark.  Wire tension is 
>> something I will check twice per year in the future!  Rollie
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ken Danko" <ken320 at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:16:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Steering wire break
>>
>> I'm sorry to hear that you had this experience but glad that no one 
>> was hurt. My cable broke a few months back. I had a rigger make two 
>> new cables. It only took him a couple of minutes. Even if the rigger 
>> is busy, he won't have to take too much time. Take the broken cable to 
>> him so that he can match it.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents. 
>>
>> Just out of curiosity, where did it break? Can you post photos on the 
>> C320 web site?
>>
>> Ken,
>> #802, "Grace" 
>>
>> argates2nd at comcast.net wrote: 
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>>> A new experience today:  steering wire broke while racing & beating 
>>> to a mark.  Fortunately the closest boat was about 200 yds behind us 
>>> in
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> 20+ mph gusting wind.  He got around us and then we were able to get the
> sails down, get the emergency tiller on, and get off the race couse.  Then
> we jury rigged using two vice grips and tape to steer into our marina with
> the wheel.
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>>> Does anyone know which of these kits from Edson's website we need?  
>>> The
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> owner's manual only references Fig. 775 kits. 
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>>>
>>> 773 Wire Rope Hardware Kit: 
>>>
>>> 187   $53.00
>>>
>>> 250   $58.00
>>>
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>>>
>>> We just have 2 Monday's left in our Spring series so I need to get 
>>> the
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> replacement kit quickly and the closest rigger is 40 miles away and he is
> pretty busy.  I have everything apart except one of the 4 bolts below the
> compass where I need to get a bigger phillips head with a square shaft for
> leverage. 
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