[C320-list] Annual Regatta

[bruceheyman at cox.net]

The 310 is a very similar boat and have a lot of common issues and opportunities, the 350 not so similar.  I believe several 310 owners are on this list.
Bruce
Somerset 671 SoCal
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Sam & Suz Weston" <ssweston at embarqmail.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:15:10 
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>; <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Annual Regatta

Since I am relatively new to the blog this may have already been discussed. 
Any thought of including say 310 to 350 Catalina's to get more participants 
?? There is not enough 320's in my surrounding area to start a club..
Sam Weston
Mariah 585.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pat Kenefick" <pkenefick at embarqmail.com>
To: <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Annual Regatta


> Karl:
> I would think that Regional meetings / Regattas would have the best hope 
> of success for many reasons. The primary one being cost to the travelers. 
> Being Regional may also bring more boats to each meeting; perhaps 
> coordinate timing with Regional boat shows as well may help gather in more 
> people. In any event a tough one for sure given that we could not even get 
> our local group to meet.
> Pat Kenefick
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>>   1. Re: Planning the 2010 Regatta (Robert Seastream)
>>   2. Re: Planning the 2010 Regatta (annika brancato)
>>   3. Re: Planning the 2010 Regatta (Jeff Hare)
>>   4. Engine alignment (Chuck and Kathy)
>>   5. Re: Engine alignment (Bruce Heyman)
>>   6. Re: Grid liner & bilge design question - newer vs. older
>>      issues (Warren Updike)
>>   7. Re: Grid liner & bilge design question - newer vs. older
>>      issues (Jane & Ken)
>>   8. Re: Grid liner & bilge design question - newer vs.older
>>      issues (Stephen Cox)
>>   9. Re: Grid liner & bilge design question - newer vs.older
>>      issues (R.G. Miller)
>>  10. bottom paint (Chris Descher)
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:05:32 -0500
>> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Planning the 2010 Regatta
>> Message-ID: <0C63E22B-D6E5-412A-AE92-E9E4484D636E at comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>>
>> What Barb said.  My wife teaches also; not done until late June,
>> starts up by late August/early September.
>> The kids don't have to start until after Labor Day, but teachers ramp
>> up earlier.
>> We don't race, vendors are good, the less formal the dinner, the better.
>> If the Regatta came to CT, we'd consider bringing our boat from NH.
>> Perhaps someone could show us how to sail it better.  :-)
>>
>> Bob Seastream
>> Intuition # 906
>>
>>
>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Barbara Uhlman wrote:
>>
>>> Karl,
>>>
>>> I don't know if we can go or not, but, as a teacher, we cannot take
>>> off whenever we want during the school year.  In our area, we will
>>> be off in June and July and maybe the first week of August.  Any
>>> other time might be hard to get teachers there.
>>>
>>> Best of luck in planning.
>>>
>>> Barb Uhlman
>>> Whisper, #1158
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 11/15/09, Karl Mielenhausen _/) <c320 at suddenlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Karl Mielenhausen _/) <c320 at suddenlink.net>
>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Planning the 2010 Regatta
>>>> To: "C320IA Discussion List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>>> Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 9:46 AM
>>>> C320IA Members:
>>>>
>>>> Your Governing Board would appreciate your suggestions as
>>>> we plan for a 2010 Annual Meeting & Regatta.
>>>>
>>>> Historically, we have tried to hold one meeting per year,
>>>> alternating locations (East coast/West coast).
>>>> Timing has most recently been early August.
>>>> We'd like to consider all ideas that might result in
>>>> greater value and attendance. For example,
>>>> Should we hold our events in conjunction with the Catalina
>>>> Rendezvous or a regional boat show?
>>>> Should we find a different time of year, perhaps extending
>>>> your boating season?
>>>> What value do you place on the class race (regatta), on
>>>> having vendors, on having a formal dinner, etc.
>>>> Would a tour of the Largo, FL factory we enough of a draw
>>>> to get you to attend?
>>>>
>>>> Please share your thoughts, either with the entire list, to
>>>> me directly (C320 at suddenlink.net),
>>>> or by phoning me at (252) 638-1433.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks....
>>>>
>>>> --Karl Mielenhausen
>>>> Catalina 320 Hull 690
>>>> New Bern, NC
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:32:09 -0500
>> From: annika brancato <annikabrancato at hotmail.com>
>> To: <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Planning the 2010 Regatta
>> Message-ID: <COL114-W6446104B0837B05DBFE18ECBA50 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>>
>>
>> We live on Lake Ontario and have been looking for an excuse to visit 
>> Chicago, so for us that would be an ideal location.
>>
>>
>>
>> Annika & Dino
>>
>>
>>
>> Enjoy each day as if it was your last....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:47:18 -0800
>>> From: smoothsail282 at sbcglobal.net
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Planning the 2010 Regatta
>>>
>>> How about having the Regatta in Chicago?
>>>
>>> Would there be enough interest in the Great Lakes area.  I'm in 
>>> Milwaukee, Wisconsin and I would be interested in the Chicago area.  I 
>>> know that there was at least one that was held in Chicago.
>>>
>>> Karl Krueger (Kindred Spirit #282)
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 11/15/09, Karl Mielenhausen _/) <c320 at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Karl Mielenhausen _/) <c320 at suddenlink.net>
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Planning the 2010 Regatta
>>> To: "C320IA Discussion List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>> Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 9:46 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> C320IA Members:
>>>
>>> Your Governing Board would appreciate your suggestions as we plan for a 
>>> 2010 Annual Meeting & Regatta.
>>>
>>> Historically, we have tried to hold one meeting per year, alternating 
>>> locations (East coast/West coast).
>>> Timing has most recently been early August.
>>> We'd like to consider all ideas that might result in greater value and 
>>> attendance. For example,
>>> Should we hold our events in conjunction with the Catalina Rendezvous or 
>>> a regional boat show?
>>> Should we find a different time of year, perhaps extending your boating 
>>> season?
>>> What value do you place on the class race (regatta), on having vendors, 
>>> on having a formal dinner, etc.
>>> Would a tour of the Largo, FL factory we enough of a draw to get you to 
>>> attend?
>>>
>>> Please share your thoughts, either with the entire list, to me directly 
>>> (C320 at suddenlink.net), or by phoning me at (252) 638-1433.
>>>
>>> Thanks....
>>>
>>> --Karl Mielenhausen
>>> Catalina 320 Hull 690
>>> New Bern, NC
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:22:08 +0000
>> From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Planning the 2010 Regatta
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>>
>> Bob,  You're too modest.
>>
>> We saw you heading to your marina this summer in portsmouth.  The pointy 
>> end was goin the right way a lot of the time.
>>
>> That's success in my book anyway. :)
>>
>> Next time maybe put the sails up?
>>
>> ;)
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Robert Seastream
>> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Planning the 2010 Regatta
>> Sent: Nov 16, 2009 5:05 PM
>>
>> What Barb said.  My wife teaches also; not done until late June,
>> starts up by late August/early September.
>> The kids don't have to start until after Labor Day, but teachers ramp
>> up earlier.
>> We don't race, vendors are good, the less formal the dinner, the better.
>> If the Regatta came to CT, we'd consider bringing our boat from NH.
>> Perhaps someone could show us how to sail it better.  :-)
>>
>> Bob Seastream
>> Intuition # 906
>>
>>
>> On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Barbara Uhlman wrote:
>>
>>> Karl,
>>>
>>> I don't know if we can go or not, but, as a teacher, we cannot take
>>> off whenever we want during the school year.  In our area, we will
>>> be off in June and July and maybe the first week of August.  Any
>>> other time might be hard to get teachers there.
>>>
>>> Best of luck in planning.
>>>
>>> Barb Uhlman
>>> Whisper, #1158
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 11/15/09, Karl Mielenhausen _/) <c320 at suddenlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Karl Mielenhausen _/) <c320 at suddenlink.net>
>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Planning the 2010 Regatta
>>>> To: "C320IA Discussion List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>>> Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 9:46 AM
>>>> C320IA Members:
>>>>
>>>> Your Governing Board would appreciate your suggestions as
>>>> we plan for a 2010 Annual Meeting & Regatta.
>>>>
>>>> Historically, we have tried to hold one meeting per year,
>>>> alternating locations (East coast/West coast).
>>>> Timing has most recently been early August.
>>>> We'd like to consider all ideas that might result in
>>>> greater value and attendance. For example,
>>>> Should we hold our events in conjunction with the Catalina
>>>> Rendezvous or a regional boat show?
>>>> Should we find a different time of year, perhaps extending
>>>> your boating season?
>>>> What value do you place on the class race (regatta), on
>>>> having vendors, on having a formal dinner, etc.
>>>> Would a tour of the Largo, FL factory we enough of a draw
>>>> to get you to attend?
>>>>
>>>> Please share your thoughts, either with the entire list, to
>>>> me directly (C320 at suddenlink.net),
>>>> or by phoning me at (252) 638-1433.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks....
>>>>
>>>> --Karl Mielenhausen
>>>> Catalina 320 Hull 690
>>>> New Bern, NC
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:01:39 -0500
>> From: "Chuck and Kathy" <katchu at chartermi.net>
>> To: <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Engine alignment
>> Message-ID: <9538D2C683FA4856A477B4F5996F4EA7 at Mastercomp>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Has anyone else had any problems with engine alignment?  I replaced my
>> cutlass bearing last spring and thought that was the cause of vibration. 
>> In
>> trying to align my shaft and engine, I drilled out the forward engine
>> mounting brackets in order to shift the front of the engine to port.  The
>> engine pan is almost hitting the fiberglass and I'm still a little
>> misaligned with a gap on the port side of the shaft connection.  It 
>> almost
>> seems as if the strut is not at the correct angle.  That, of course, 
>> would
>> lead to both vibration and cutlass bearing wear.  If I offset the rear of
>> the engine to starboard, the engine shaft will not be centered on the 
>> prop
>> shaft.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts or experiences?
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck Mueller
>>
>> Northwind #676
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:55:24 -0800
>> From: "Bruce Heyman" <bruceheyman at cox.net>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Engine alignment
>> Message-ID: <00c601ca6729$07829980$1687cc80$@net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Chuck,
>> We aligned our prop shaft last year and the improvement was so dramatic 
>> that
>> I wish we had done it a couple of years earlier.  Our main alignment 
>> issue
>> was vertical and ended up raising both the forward and rear engine mounts 
>> to
>> make sure that the prop shaft was closer to the center of the log.
>> We used the method that has you taking a million measurements and then
>> averaging everything.  I think someone on the list commented that it was
>> more complicated than a lunar insertion and I agree but; it did work.
>> While sometimes at idle it sounds like the world is coming to the end as
>> soon as you are over 8-900 rpm and in gear it is smooth and quite.
>> Bruce
>> Somerset #671 SoCal
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Chuck and
>> Kathy
>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:02 PM
>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Engine alignment
>>
>> Has anyone else had any problems with engine alignment?  I replaced my
>> cutlass bearing last spring and thought that was the cause of vibration. 
>> In
>> trying to align my shaft and engine, I drilled out the forward engine
>> mounting brackets in order to shift the front of the engine to port.  The
>> engine pan is almost hitting the fiberglass and I'm still a little
>> misaligned with a gap on the port side of the shaft connection.  It 
>> almost
>> seems as if the strut is not at the correct angle.  That, of course, 
>> would
>> lead to both vibration and cutlass bearing wear.  If I offset the rear of
>> the engine to starboard, the engine shaft will not be centered on the 
>> prop
>> shaft.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts or experiences?
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck Mueller
>>
>> Northwind #676
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 21:50:25 -0500
>> From: "Warren Updike" <wupdike at hotmail.com>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Grid liner & bilge design question - newer
>> vs. older issues
>> Message-ID: <BAY114-DS10003E7334A0985C87F44ABEA40 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Phil, I can't tell you when the change was made; but, if you pull a chain 
>> plate you can readily tell. In the plate channel through the deck there 
>> will be a noticeable space between the deck and interior liner. Normally, 
>> this would be filled with cored balsa; but, if there has ever been any 
>> water incursion, the balsa would disintegrate leaving a void.
>>
>> When I first re-bedded, I removed wet balsa with a bent nail in a drill 
>> motor. Allow the space to dry. You may be able to accelerate the drying 
>> by infusing alcohol. Once dry, fill the space with filled epoxy then 
>> re-bed. It's not all that difficult, just time consuming.
>>
>> I've heard that re-bedding chain plates is recommended every 2-3 years 
>> depending on how the boat is used.
>>
>> Warren & Pattie Updike
>> Catalina 320, #62, "Warr De Mar"
>> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sholdr at aol.com [mailto:sholdr at aol.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 7:05 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Grid liner & bilge design question - newer vs. 
>> older issues
>>
>> anyone know when the solid vs cored deck change was made -- have #322
>> with no evident chain plate leakage but if no solid-deck may rebed to
>> avoid unseen problems
>>
>> Phil Hansen
>> Camelot #322
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2009 5:46 pm
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Grid liner & bilge design question - newer vs.
>> older issues
>>
>>
>>
>> I would focus my decision on usability factors rather than design
>> issues.
>> Each major model changes has it's pluses and minuses. You will, for the
>> most
>> part, pay a going rate for the vintage of the model you select. Focus on
>> general condition, onboard equipment, prior owner improvements, and how
>> well
>> a particular configuration fits your intended use within your budget.
>>
>> More than likely you will want to make your own changes no matter how
>> your
>> selected boat is configured. You'll replace something or many things
>> over
>> your time of ownership, so look for the best value for a hull that has
>> been
>> cared for by the PO.
>>
>> If the boat is more than 5 years old, plan on replacing lots of things
>> in a
>> 5 to 10 year period of ownership. If the boat was in salt water it's a
>> whole
>> different thing than a fresh water boat. Whether it was raced or not
>> also
>> may make a difference. Those things should make a difference in how you
>> assess a particular boat.
>>
>> In my experience, I bought a 10 year old 320 that had been lightly used
>> and
>> reasonably cared for. There were some issues but I accepted them as the
>> condition was as good or better than others we looked at. I've enjoyed
>> making the improvement that enhance its cruising capability. We plan
>> two and
>> three week cruises for each season.
>>
>> Our boat has always been in what is mostly fresh water. The rigging is
>> in
>> good condition and I expect to get to 20 years before having to do
>> replacements there. The deck was solid even though I had to immediately
>> rebed all the chain plates. On newer hulls (than mine,) the deck is
>> solid
>> (not cored,) where the chain plates pass through. These decks are not in
>> peril as a result of leaking chain plates. Thoroughly investigate any
>> signs
>> of leaking chain plates if an older hull. A maintenance log from the PO
>> would be a plus.
>>
>> Still, a (now) 15 year old boat will need to have instruments,
>> autopilot,
>> radio, maybe some plumbing, etc., replaced to keep it's value,
>> salability,
>> and utility up to date. Just facts of life.
>>
>> Let us know how you proceed.
>>
>> Warren & Pattie Updike
>> Catalina 320, #62, "Warr De Mar"
>> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sean Kaldor [mailto:spkaldor at yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 4:20 AM
>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Grid liner & bilge design question - newer vs.
>> older
>> issues
>>
>> I'm choosing between two 320s... a 1994 vintage and a 1997 vintage.
>>
>> One of the design differences between the two is the grid liner and
>> bilge
>> set-up. As  I understand from this site, a deeper bilge with better weep
>> holes to drain the pan was added around hull #246 (late 1995). And all
>> hulls
>> up to #355 have a technical reference bulletin about the need to drill
>> access and drain holes throughout the grid liner for regular draining
>> to the
>> bilge, inspection, etc.
>>
>> So my questions are ... are these changes/improvements important, or are
>> they just footnotes in the design history? If you have an earlier
>> design, is
>> the grid water draining an issue - did you drill the holes, does water
>> collect? If you could choose between a pre-246 hull and a post 355 hull,
>> would this even be a consideration? Is there any long-term effect on the
>> structural grid members?
>>
>> I'm curious about your experiences and opinions.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Sean
>> Hull #TBD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:17:35 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Jane & Ken <obuoy4848 at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Grid liner & bilge design question - newer
>> vs. older issues
>> Message-ID: <273241.36954.qm at web82603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> Warren,?? Do you recall whether the "infusing alcohol" was irish whiskey 
>> or just plain vodka or gin???? Ken
>>
>> --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Grid liner & bilge design question - newer vs. 
>> older issues
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 8:50 PM
>>
>>
>> Phil, I can't tell you when the change was made; but, if you pull a chain 
>> plate you can readily tell. In the plate channel through the deck there 
>> will be a noticeable space between the deck and interior liner. Normally, 
>> this would be filled with cored balsa; but, if there has ever been any 
>> water incursion, the balsa would disintegrate leaving a void.
>>
>> When I first re-bedded, I removed wet balsa with a bent nail in a drill 
>> motor. Allow the space to dry. You may be able to accelerate the drying 
>> by infusing alcohol. Once dry, fill the space with filled epoxy then 
>> re-bed. It's not all that difficult, just time consuming.
>>
>> I've heard that re-bedding chain plates is recommended every 2-3 years 
>> depending on how the boat is used.
>>
>> Warren & Pattie Updike
>> Catalina 320, #62, "Warr De Mar"
>> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: sholdr at aol.com [mailto:sholdr at aol.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 7:05 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Grid liner & bilge design question - newer vs. 
>> older issues
>>
>> anyone know when the solid vs cored deck change was made -- have #322
>> with no evident chain plate leakage but if no solid-deck may rebed to
>> avoid unseen problems
>>
>> Phil Hansen
>> Camelot #322
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2009 5:46 pm
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Grid liner & bilge design question - newer vs.
>> older issues
>>
>>
>>
>> I would focus my decision on usability factors rather than design
>> issues.
>> Each major model changes has it's pluses and minuses. You will, for the
>> most
>> part, pay a going rate for the vintage of the model you select. Focus on
>> general condition, onboard equipment, prior owner improvements, and how
>> well
>> a particular configuration fits your intended use within your budget.
>>
>> More than likely you will want to make your own changes no matter how
>> your
>> selected boat is configured. You'll replace something or many things
>> over
>> your time of ownership, so look for the best value for a hull that has
>> been
>> cared for by the PO.
>>
>> If the boat is more than 5 years old, plan on replacing lots of things
>> in a
>> 5 to 10 year period of ownership. If the boat was in salt water it's a
>> whole
>> different thing than a fresh water boat. Whether it was raced or not
>> also
>> may make a difference. Those things should make a difference in how you
>> assess a particular boat.
>>
>> In my experience, I bought a 10 year old 320 that had been lightly used
>> and
>> reasonably cared for. There were some issues but I accepted them as the
>> condition was as good or better than others we looked at. I've enjoyed
>> making the improvement that enhance its cruising capability. We plan
>> two and
>> three week cruises for each season.
>>
>> Our boat has always been in what is mostly fresh water. The rigging is
>> in
>> good condition and I expect to get to 20 years before having to do
>> replacements there. The deck was solid even though I had to immediately
>> rebed all the chain plates. On newer hulls (than mine,) the deck is
>> solid
>> (not cored,) where the chain plates pass through. These decks are not in
>> peril as a result of leaking chain plates. Thoroughly investigate any
>> signs
>> of leaking chain plates if an older hull. A maintenance log from the PO
>> would be a plus.
>>
>> Still, a (now) 15 year old boat will need to have instruments,
>> autopilot,
>> radio, maybe some plumbing, etc., replaced to keep it's value,
>> salability,
>> and utility up to date. Just facts of life.
>>
>> Let us know how you proceed.
>>
>> Warren & Pattie Updike
>> Catalina 320, #62, "Warr De Mar"
>> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sean Kaldor [mailto:spkaldor at yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 4:20 AM
>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Grid liner & bilge design question - newer vs.
>> older
>> issues
>>
>> I'm choosing between two 320s... a 1994 vintage and a 1997 vintage.
>>
>> One of the design differences between the two is the grid liner and
>> bilge
>> set-up. As? I understand from this site, a deeper bilge with better weep
>> holes to drain the pan was added around hull #246 (late 1995). And all
>> hulls
>> up to #355 have a technical reference bulletin about the need to drill
>> access and drain holes throughout the grid liner for regular draining
>> to the
>> bilge, inspection, etc.
>>
>> So my questions are ... are these changes/improvements important, or are
>> they just footnotes in the design history? If you have an earlier
>> design, is
>> the grid water draining an issue - did you drill the holes, does water
>> collect? If you could choose between a pre-246 hull and a post 355 hull,
>> would this even be a consideration? Is there any long-term effect on the
>> structural grid members?
>>
>> I'm curious about your experiences and opinions.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Sean
>> Hull #TBD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:16:37 +1100
>> From: "Stephen Cox" <scox at timmin.com>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Grid liner & bilge design question - newer
>> vs.older issues
>> Message-ID: <51CFDBCC3C4446E8BC6B28E6AA5884C2 at 6S3PC1S>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Being clear, I would have thought to use vodka or gin to avoid staining 
>> the
>> fibreglass.
>>
>> Stephen Cox
>> Tegwen #1141
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Jane & Ken
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:18 PM
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Grid liner & bilge design question -
>>> newer vs.older issues
>>>
>>> Warren,?? Do you recall whether the "infusing alcohol" was
>>> irish whiskey or just plain vodka or gin???? Ken
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> .
>> .
>> .
>>>
>>> When I first re-bedded, I removed wet balsa with a bent nail
>>> in a drill motor. Allow the space to dry. You may be able to
>>> accelerate the drying by infusing alcohol. Once dry, fill the
>>> space with filled epoxy then re-bed. It's not all that
>>> difficult, just time consuming.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 22:35:52 -0800
>> From: "R.G. Miller" <ronaldgmiller at hotmail.com>
>> To: <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Grid liner & bilge design question - newer
>> vs.older issues
>> Message-ID: <BLU123-W726A5DA7DCC68584E208CA1A40 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>>
>> I'm afraid that if I infuse either vodka or gin, I won't be able to see 
>> straight ...but I guess I'll have to re-bed alright...lol...
>>
>>
>>
>> RG.
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: scox at timmin.com
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:16:37 +1100
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Grid liner & bilge design question - newer 
>>> vs.older issues
>>>
>>> Being clear, I would have thought to use vodka or gin to avoid staining 
>>> the
>>> fibreglass.
>>>
>>> Stephen Cox
>>> Tegwen #1141
>>>
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> > [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of
>>> > Jane & Ken
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:18 PM
>>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Grid liner & bilge design question -
>>> > newer vs.older issues
>>> >
>>> > Warren,   Do you recall whether the "infusing alcohol" was
>>> > irish whiskey or just plain vodka or gin???  Ken
>>> >
>>> > --- On Mon, 11/16/09, Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> .
>>> .
>>> .
>>> >
>>> > When I first re-bedded, I removed wet balsa with a bent nail
>>> > in a drill motor. Allow the space to dry. You may be able to
>>> > accelerate the drying by infusing alcohol. Once dry, fill the
>>> > space with filled epoxy then re-bed. It's not all that
>>> > difficult, just time consuming.
>>> >
>>>
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:41:51 -0600
>> From: "Chris Descher" <cdescher at cedtulsa.com>
>> To: <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
>> Subject: [C320-list] bottom paint
>> Message-ID: <AKEBKJHDOPMEGDILPFCEGENCDNAA.cdescher at cedtulsa.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> I'm about to have the first bottom job done on my 12 year old, freshwater
>> boat.  Without much in the way of available options on who will do the 
>> work
>> and how it will be done, I really just need to decide whether the 
>> estimate
>> that I've received is reasonable.  The yard will haul it out, sand blast 
>> the
>> bottom, then pressure wash the bottom and hull sides, prime the bottom 
>> with
>> a light coat of bottom paint, then go back with two heavy coats of
>> anti-fouling bottom paint, and then apply a third coat along the water 
>> line.
>> They use Petit Un-epoxy Plus bottom paint.  Any blisters would be dealt 
>> with
>> separately.
>>
>> Is there anything about this approach that seems wrong?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chris Descher
>>
>>
>>
>> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 625, Issue 1
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