[C320-list] Engine cover
kenneth bousum
kenb711 at wowway.com
Thu Dec 30 12:19:15 PST 2010
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Russell" <RussellW at oacsd.org>
To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:00:55 PM
Subject: [C320-list] Engine cover
The teak-look top surface on my engine cover got water damaged this past season. Any idea what that material is? Is it a teak veneer? Can it be refinished? If not, what would you use to replace it?
Bill Russell
"Little Wing" (1998 C-320 #545)
Ithaca, NY
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Type of Glue Used for C320 MK II Teak TrimandFridge
Installation (Stephen Cox)
2. Re: ST-50 Instrument Replacement (Warren Updike)
3. Re: Type of Glue Used for C320 MK II TeakTrimandFridge
Installation (John Frost)
4. Re: Horsepower? (Jack McDonough)
5. Servicing the anchor windlass (RUTHE SMALL)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:28:32 +1100
From: "Stephen Cox" <scox at timmin.com>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Type of Glue Used for C320 MK II Teak Trim
andFridgeInstallation
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> Unfortunately I have found
> even with the vent, much heat still builds up behind the
> fridge and the countertop still gets pretty warm. I know that
> makes the fridge run way more than needed. I plan to take the
> fridge back out and add a 12v computer cooling fan to the
> newly installed vent. You might consider doing same now.
> You can tap the fridge power line to power it and they are
> very inexpensive.
I have also had issues with the heat from the fridge. There already was a
cooling fan fitted at the rear mounted on the condenser coils but it was
moving air forwards across the top of the fridge. By flipping the fan
around it now directs the air towards the vent and while this puts warm air
into the rear cabin the fridge definitely runs less often to maintain
temperature and the bench does not warm up like it use to. In cooler
weather the heat in the rear cabin is a bonus.
You can tap into the existing fan but be warned the fridge will shut down if
it detects more than a 1 amp drain on the fan. Mine is overly and
temperature sensitive which is a pain - mainly happens in cooler weather. I
have replaced the fan and measured the current - the controller is at fault
but being remote from the dealer and the fault intermittent I didn't get too
far with a warranty request. By the time I was back in the dealer's locale
it was warmer and "no fault found" :-(
> I will also check to make sure there is a way for the cool
> air to get in to replace the exhausted air.
In my yacht there are two large holes at the rear of the mounting platform
for replacement air to come in from the bilge area.
Stephen Cox
Tegwen #1141
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 08:37:04 -0500
From: Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] ST-50 Instrument Replacement
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I hear ya. Lots of skins on that onion. Age is a terrible thing to waste.
I forgot that I had bought a PDF document from DIY-boat.com, "Making the
Electronics Connection." It is $15 and covers Navigation, Communications,
Entertainment, Trouble Shooting & Installation Tips. I haven't read through
it yet so can't give a review. If I can remember that I've read it, I'll
plan on offering a review on this list, if I can remember how to post.
Warren
-----Original Message-----
From: John Ellis [mailto:jr_ellis100 at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:30 AM
To: Catalina 320 association
Subject: Re: [C320-list] ST-50 Instrument Replacement
Warren,
I'm leaning towards ST60s for a relatively lower cost / lower risk solution.
It's too bad the old ST50 instruments did not die in November; I could have
asked Santa for new ST60s!
I have a chartplotter at the nav station providing GPS data to the VHF DSC
radio. I find I only use the chartplotter on longer trips and keep a
handheld GPS in the cockpit for back up as well as paper charts. I've
thought about having a chartplotter and radar at the helm and one of the
NEMA-2000 Garmin chartplotters would also provide redundancy for Garmin
instrument displays. Is having a chartplotter at the helm one of those
things that you'd never want to be without once you had one?
So this is a classic "peeling the onion" problem. The full solution is to
buy a new 1.25" angled pedestal guard, a new Navpro housing for the
instruments and another chartplotter, and then while I've got it all torn
apart, add a radar and wire it to the chartplotter. Everything that is
attached to the current pedestal guard (cockpit table, drinks holder, winch
handle holder) would then need to have new mounting hardware or be replaced.
This cost for all of this would be more than three times that of just the
new instruments.
John
> From: wupdike at hotmail.com
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 16:48:44 -0500
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] ST-50 Instrument Replacement
>
> John, we're in a similar situation with our #62. I'm sure a number of
owners
> of the older hulls have either done something or are thinking about it. It
> would be a useful to collect info and publish Mainsheet articles and web
> site posting on it. I'd sure like to follow your progress as you seem to
be
> somewhat ahead of me in actually taking some action.
>
> Our failures are wind speed and STW. I've tried to fix the wind speed but
> haven't found the source of the problem. The STW I've given up on as the
> critters in the warm water of the Chesapeake Bay like to make a home in
the
> recess of the paddle wheel. I'm considering a device that will emit the
GPS
> SOG as a STW SeaTalk signal and eliminate the speed transducer altogether.
>
> I've been doing research for the past couple of years on possible
upgrades,
> buy keeping my eyes open for vendor info, and going to the boat show in
> Annapolis. As for NEMA-2000, as a backbone system it seems to have some
> advantages for making changes. I'd need to learn the specifics of
> installation, connections, interfaces, and etc. I haven't found a good
> source of non-specific vendor info as yet.
>
> I do know that there are NEMA-2000 interfaces compatible with the older
> transducers. I think what they do is convert the pulse type signals from
the
> transducer to NEMA-2000 sentences on the LAN. At least you don't have to
> replace everything all at once.
>
> I've also liked the Garmin GMI 10 displays; but, must confess that the
least
> expensive, least complex approach may be to go with the ST-60
replacements.
>
>
> What's your position on a chart plotter? Do you have one or considering on
> installing one? I've not found a need for it as I carry paper charts as my
> primary navigation tool and a hand-held GPS for general steering. However,
> the next owner will probably want one and having one may make the boat
more
> attractive on the market.
>
> I would like to consider the Airmar PB-200 Weather Station instrument.
> Google "airmar pb-200." It's a solid-state masthead device that does a
bunch
> of things. Airmar has been developing it for a number of years. It has
some
> drawbacks on sailboats you can learn about by following some Google links.
>
> Maybe we could break this into segments to peruse as separate threads:
> Display Instruments
> Backbone topology
> Transducers
> Chart plotter
> Installation & testing
> ???
>
> Has anyone on the list actually done this stuff or can tell where to get
> info?
>
> Warren & Pattie Updike
> 1994 C320 #62 "Warr de Mar"
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Ellis [mailto:jr_ellis100 at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 10:36 PM
> To: Catalina 320 association
> Subject: [C320-list] ST-50 Instrument Replacement
>
>
> The 15-year old ST-50 instruments on my boat are slowly failing, and are
no
> longer repairable by the Raymarine factory. First the speed transducer
died
> and a replacement failed to fix the problem, and now the wind vane has
> started to disintegrate - the anemometer no longer turns and part of the
> wind vane has broken off. I noticed the wind vane failure sailing today
when
> there was apparent wind direction, but no wind speed on the display. It
must
> be time to break out some boat bucks for replacement instruments.
>
> Does anyone have experience with NMEA 2000? I'm considering Garmin's GWS
> wind sensor, through hull transducer for depth and speed, and two GMI
> instruments. Another alternative is wind/speed/depth Raymarine ST-60s,
which
> are not NMEA 2000. One factor will be ease of installation, that's why a
> NMEA 2000 system with one backbone cable is attractive. The other factor
is
> compatibility with the existing through-hull sensors - the best case would
> be if the Garmin/Raymarine speed sensors will fit in the existing ST-50
> through-hull fitting; since my boat is in the water year round avoiding a
> haul out to replace the entire fitting would be a big help.
>
> Any advice or experiences with a similar instrument replacement will be
much
> appreciated!
>
> John #271
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:01:50 -0600
From: "John Frost" <john at frostnet.net>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Type of Glue Used for C320 MK II TeakTrim
andFridgeInstallation
Message-ID: <002501cba832$7df2b3c0$79d81b40$@net>
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Wow!
It never even crossed my mind that the fan was blowing the "wrong" way (for
this installation).
I will look into flipping it, (or reversing the polarity?).
I love this list
Happy Sailing!
John
2007 C320MKII
Hull 1118
Guntersville, AL
-----Original Message-----
From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
[mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Cox
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:29 AM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Type of Glue Used for C320 MK II Teak Trim
andFridge Installation
> Unfortunately I have found
> even with the vent, much heat still builds up behind the
> fridge and the countertop still gets pretty warm. I know that
> makes the fridge run way more than needed. I plan to take the
> fridge back out and add a 12v computer cooling fan to the
> newly installed vent. You might consider doing same now.
> You can tap the fridge power line to power it and they are
> very inexpensive.
I have also had issues with the heat from the fridge. There already was a
cooling fan fitted at the rear mounted on the condenser coils but it was
moving air forwards across the top of the fridge. By flipping the fan
around it now directs the air towards the vent and while this puts warm air
into the rear cabin the fridge definitely runs less often to maintain
temperature and the bench does not warm up like it use to. In cooler
weather the heat in the rear cabin is a bonus.
You can tap into the existing fan but be warned the fridge will shut down if
it detects more than a 1 amp drain on the fan. Mine is overly and
temperature sensitive which is a pain - mainly happens in cooler weather. I
have replaced the fan and measured the current - the controller is at fault
but being remote from the dealer and the fault intermittent I didn't get too
far with a warranty request. By the time I was back in the dealer's locale
it was warmer and "no fault found" :-(
> I will also check to make sure there is a way for the cool
> air to get in to replace the exhausted air.
In my yacht there are two large holes at the rear of the mounting platform
for replacement air to come in from the bilge area.
Stephen Cox
Tegwen #1141
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 11:05:43 -0500
From: "Jack McDonough" <mcdonough5 at verizon.net>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Horsepower?
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reply-type=response
Jim:
I don't doubt that 14 hp was sufficient for your 332 -- although our old
Cape Dory 30 was woefully underpowered in heavy seas with a Volvo Penta 13
horse diesel.
My point is that the horsepower of the new 355 seems to me to be out of
proportion when compared with the 320 and the 375.
Comparing my 320 with the 375 on the basis of weight, my math says the 375
should have a 38 hp engine. In fact it is 40.
Comparing my 320 with the 355, the same ratio-proportion exercise says the
355 should have a 34 hp engine. In fact it's only 29.
There is, of course, the slim possibility that Catalina knows more about
boat construction that I do.
But thanks for your input, anyway. I'm surprised the question didn't prompt
more discussion.
Jack
#947
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Sweet" <jamesweet at frontiernet.net>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Horsepower?
> It should be plenty of HP. I had a Pearson 332 (the overall spec's on
> that boat were almost dead on the spec's for the 320 as far as
> displacement, etc.) that had a 14 HP Yanmar with a peak HP of 16 and while
> I was a bit nonplussed at first over the low rating I never felt under
> powered with it in the 9 years that we owned the boat. We had it out in
> some pretty rough conditions and powered into some pretty big waves and
> headwinds and it never caused an issue and we were able to make hull speed
> with it.
>
> Jim Sweet
> TGIF (Thank God It Floats) 901
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jack McDonough" <mcdonough5 at verizon.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:42 PM
> Subject: [C320-list] Horsepower?
>
>
> Does anyone else think it's strange that the new Catalina 355 has,
> according to Sail magazine, a Yanmar diesel engine with only a 29
> horsepower rating?
>
> According to the specs in Sail , the displacement weight of the wing keel
> 355 is 14,800 pounds. My wing keel 320 is 11,700 pounds -- 3,100 pounds
> less -- and I have a 27 hp Yanmar.
>
> The 375, which weighs 16,500, has a 40 horse engine.
>
>
> Jack
> #947
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:54:06 -0800
From: RUTHE SMALL <sailmiss at msn.com>
To: C320-List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
Subject: [C320-list] Servicing the anchor windlass
Message-ID: <BAY156-w62BFCDB851319D4B928B4D6030 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
In the recent posts on this subject reference was made to instructions to remove the forward bulkhead, etc. to get to the windlass and service it. Can you direct me how to get to those instructions?
Thanks
Sam Wagner
Ruthsm (#74)
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