[C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 882, Issue 1
hcreech at comcast.net
hcreech at comcast.net
Wed Sep 1 13:11:18 PDT 2010
Hey List, just an observation, but most of the hull numbers I have seen mentioning this problem have been newer boats. My boat, hull 606, is a 1999 model. Once I learned, from the list, to use fresh water instead of pumping bay water there has been no odors on my boat, you can ask my wife. As long as I take care of the bilge the boat smells like a boat, but no offensive odors. I am assuming the locker everyone is mentioning is beneath the head sink, if so no odors from there, in fact none from anywhere on the boat. We do pump out on a regular basis, but sometimes it sits, so I was a little surprised to hear this complaint. Maybe someone should tally the hull numbers and see, if like the shallow bilge problem, it is related to a certain vintage boat.
Sorry some are having this problem.
Herb Creech
Cloud Chaser #606
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My goodness Sean, Fred and all the rest of us dealing with the odor issue. I
had no idea that it was almost universal. To think of the time and money
required just to get as little as 20% of the odor out and not even be able
to use your locker or the full potential of your head for that matter is
appalling. I think we should collectively take this up with Catalina
directly and have its experts solve the problem and possibly even contribute
to the remedy.
*Mike NagelkirkMikeNagelkirk*
True North #909
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> 1. Re: eliminating odor (Sean Kaldor)
> 2. Re: eliminating odor (Fred LEcuyer)
> 3. Cockpit shower wand (Irving Grunes)
> 4. muffler and electrical excitment (pat reynolds)
> 5. Re: Cockpit shower wand (hcreech at comcast.net)
> 6. Re: Cockpit shower wand (Irving Grunes)
> 7. Re: Cockpit shower wand (hcreech at comcast.net)
> 8. Re: Cockpit shower wand (Scott Thompson)
> 9. Hurricane Earl (Robert Seastream)
> 10. Re: Hurricane Earl (ericstillwellevans at gmail.com)
> 11. Re: Hurricane Earl (jim brown)
> 12. Re: Hurricane Earl (=?utf-8?B?YXJnYXRlczJuZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
> 13. Re: Hurricane Earl (Kurt Budelmann)
> 14. Re: Hurricane Earl (Jeff Hare)
> 15. Re: muffler and electrical excitment (chester carson)
> 16. Re: muffler and electrical excitment (pat reynolds)
>
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:20:11 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Sean Kaldor <spkaldor at yahoo.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
> Message-ID: <697913.24018.qm at web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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>
> We've also had a problem with odor on our 1998 #499.
>
> Prior Owner used rarely. Noticed the smell in the locker and in the
> compartment
> under the sink upon purchase.
>
> Took the following action:
>
> (1) Replaced the entire head;
> (2) Replaced all hoses to/from the head (raw water intake, pumpout) as well
> as
> sink drain hose;
> (3) Replaced the main vent hose;
> (4) Replaced the hose from the head to the holding tank;
> (5) Removed all wood from the locker, sprayed locker and
> compartment?repeatedly
> with pet odor 'natures miracle' remover;
> (6) Cleaned entire head compartment with bleach/water;
> (7) Have used fresh water flush since we purchased the boat, and no solid
> waste;
> (8) Cleaned the thru-hull vent;
>
> Four?months later, I would say the odor is about 20% improved.
>
> The only other steps I can think of would be:
> (1) Replace the holding tank;
> (2) Replace hoses to macerator, and the macerator;
> (3) Scrub area under the holding tank with bleach/water and odor remover;
>
> But I have no idea if that will really fix the problem. At this point, we
> don't
> store anything in the locker and are happy the smell doesn't go any further
> than
> that.
>
> Sean
> Libert? #499
> San Francisco
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:35:34 -0400
> From: Fred LEcuyer <fred.lecuyer at live.com>
> To: Catalina320list Catalina320list <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
> Message-ID: <SNT113-W37399B1320F4AABC876DDE98A0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Sean:
>
> Our biggest improvement seemed to come when I re-tefloned the fittings to
> the tank and removed the tank to scrub underneath.
>
> Someone further down the E-mail chain suggest that backpressure from
> accidently hitting the macerator switch may have caused leakage at the
> fittings. That makes sense to me and it's nearly impossible to tell what's
> under the tank until you pull it.
>
> Fred
>
> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:20:11 -0700
> > From: spkaldor at yahoo.com
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
> >
> > We've also had a problem with odor on our 1998 #499.
> >
> > Prior Owner used rarely. Noticed the smell in the locker and in the
> compartment
> > under the sink upon purchase.
> >
> > Took the following action:
> >
> > (1) Replaced the entire head;
> > (2) Replaced all hoses to/from the head (raw water intake, pumpout) as
> well as
> > sink drain hose;
> > (3) Replaced the main vent hose;
> > (4) Replaced the hose from the head to the holding tank;
> > (5) Removed all wood from the locker, sprayed locker and compartment
> repeatedly
> > with pet odor 'natures miracle' remover;
> > (6) Cleaned entire head compartment with bleach/water;
> > (7) Have used fresh water flush since we purchased the boat, and no solid
> waste;
> > (8) Cleaned the thru-hull vent;
> >
> > Four months later, I would say the odor is about 20% improved.
> >
> > The only other steps I can think of would be:
> > (1) Replace the holding tank;
> > (2) Replace hoses to macerator, and the macerator;
> > (3) Scrub area under the holding tank with bleach/water and odor remover;
> >
> > But I have no idea if that will really fix the problem. At this point, we
> don't
> > store anything in the locker and are happy the smell doesn't go any
> further than
> > that.
> >
> > Sean
> > Libert? #499
> > San Francisco
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:00:00 -0400
> From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List <C320-list at catalina320.org>
> Subject: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
> Message-ID:
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> Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
> Irv grunes
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:10:55 -0700 (PDT)
> From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
> Message-ID: <268590.93779.qm at web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this site since its'
> inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many of the problems cited,
> ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems, corrosion etc. In the
> 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the muffler and the
> electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened pandora's box). I do
> have a water under the liner problem which I have been meaning to address
> for several of those 15 years (again freshwater only). I think fortunately
> however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>
> On a recent single handed return from a long distance race on Lake Michigan
> (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at 3 am by the bilge pump
> cycling. It seems that the year old replacement muffler I had gotten from
> Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse than the 14 year old
> one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the bilges and assorted
> pockets. Tired and grumbling since I was still 100 miles from home, I
> removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple of hours. Some of the
> water remained, as always, under the liner.
>
> I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and continued on. Two nights
> later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad electrical storm, I
> smelled something burning. I had a fan running off the shore power and
> thought it had overheated but it was cool. I turned on the cabin lights
> which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp of smoke coming from
> behind the electrical panel. It was heavier when I opened the panel.
> Opening the battery compartment I could see that the charger wire
> insulation had burned completely off and these wires had fused onto and
> burned the battery cables. These wires run under the liner through conduit
> from the starboard to the port side. Apparently a power surge at the marina
> had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the charger and started
> the electrical fire. When they pulled the wiring and conduit out I could
> see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely thru under the liner.
> I am thinking
> that maybe the water underneath had helped keep the fire from spreading.
> Except for all of the wiring, charger and battery switch all else was ok.
>
> The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires directly to the
> battery, but to the battery switch with fuses. He said that would alleviate
> some of the wiring running underneath the liner. He also said that the
> reason that the charger breaker did not pop was because the charge went thru
> the negative side seeking ground.
>
> This was just a long way of saying that we should be aware of the wiring
> which is run thru and under the liner from the engine, charger, panel etc.
> In additon to being inaccessible it may also be subject to chafe and
> fraying. If I am ever on the boat again during an electrical storm I will
> immediately remove the shore power cord.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 00:43:47 +0000 (UTC)
> From: hcreech at comcast.net
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
> Message-ID:
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> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That is
> where I bought mine.
>
>
> Herb Creech
> Cloud Chaser #606
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
> To: "C320-List" <C320-list at catalina320.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:00:00 PM
> Subject: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>
> Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
> Irv grunes
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:49:07 -0400
> From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
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> Sorry, I meant cockpit shower wand.
> Irv
> #851
>
> On Aug 31, 2010 8:43 PM, <hcreech at comcast.net> wrote:
> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That is
> where I bought mine.
>
>
> Herb Creech
> Cloud Chaser #606
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
> To: "C320-List" <C320-li...
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 01:55:14 +0000 (UTC)
> From: hcreech at comcast.net
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
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> That was what I was talking about, read it right the first time.
>
>
>
>
> Herb
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:49:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>
> Sorry, I meant cockpit shower wand.
> Irv
> #851
>
> On Aug 31, 2010 8:43 PM, <hcreech at comcast.net> wrote:
> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That is
> where I bought mine.
>
>
> Herb Creech
> Cloud Chaser #606
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
> To: "C320-List" <C320-li...
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 07:29:26 -0400
> From: Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
> Message-ID: <4C7E3916.8040401 at thompson87.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> These are manufactured by SSI Custom Plastics in Hollywood, Maryland.
> They were very helpful when I called them to get a replacement a few
> years back.
>
> See http://www.ssicustomplastics.com/
>
> --
> Scott Thompson
> Surprise, #653
>
>
> Irving Grunes wrote:
> > Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
> > Irv grunes
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:47:10 -0400
> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> Message-ID: <C517D7D0-582E-400F-85B0-7F144AED46EA at comcast.net>
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>
> All:
>
> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
> next to them after the storm passed.
>
> Bob Seastream
> Intuition # 906
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:00:15 +0000
> From: ericstillwellevans at gmail.com
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> Message-ID:
>
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>
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> I used to feel the same way until a Squall traveling 40mph with 85mph winds
> lasting only 10min dragged my boat and others and caused damage.
>
> I would think with the storm surge related to hurricanes a mooring may be
> fine but I would extend your mooring lines.
>
> Rick
> 724
> ------Original Message------
> From: Robert Seastream
> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM
>
> All:
>
> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
> next to them after the storm passed.
>
> Bob Seastream
> Intuition # 906
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 05:01:55 -0700 (PDT)
> From: jim brown <jbrown5093 at yahoo.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> Message-ID: <732454.82453.qm at web58604.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> BoatUS has a whole section on hurricane preparation from the safest place
> to be to what kind of lines-not nylon- to use to what chafing gear is best
> etc Very helpful
>
> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 7:47 AM
>
> All:
>
> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit (doubtful
> the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:? in a slip, on a
> mooring, or out of the water?
> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about and
> hit the boat.? On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying next to
> them after the storm passed.
>
> Bob Seastream
> Intuition # 906
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 08:04:23 -0400
> From: "=?utf-8?B?YXJnYXRlczJuZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?="
> <argates2nd at comcast.net>
> To: "=?utf-8?B?Um9iZXJ0IFNlYXN0cmVhbQ==?="
> <robert.seastream at comcast.net>, C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
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> Ins req'ts?
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
> Date: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 7:47 am
> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>
> All:
>
> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit (doubtful
> the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer: in a slip, on a
> mooring, or out of the water?
> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about and
> hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying next to
> them after the storm passed.
>
> Bob Seastream
> Intuition # 906
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:37:18 -0400
> From: "Kurt Budelmann" <krbmd77 at charter.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> Message-ID: <F14A55A0B8894971891B266CC66DAA25 at lchcs.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=response
>
> Seaworthy, the Boat US magazine showed that the best preparation was on
> land
> with jackstands and guide wires preventing the boat from moving. I think
> they had 4 to 6 guide wires anchored in the ground around the boat. Also,
> their insurance will offset the cost.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:47 AM
> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>
>
> > All:
> >
> > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
> (doubtful
> > the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer: in a slip,
> on
> > a mooring, or out of the water?
> > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
> > and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
> next
> > to them after the storm passed.
> >
> > Bob Seastream
> > Intuition # 906
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:38:56 +0000
> From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> Message-ID:
>
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>
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> In our area Bob, land is the best option as yards around here are used to
> blocking boats on stands for high winds. Maybe 100 mph winds would require
> some staked lines or tied off on trees. I know my boat with cover has done
> fine in 70mph on land. Ins companies will often pay for haulout if a storm
> is imminent and damage is likely.
>
> I would say moorings next assuming the mooring block and tackle is solid.
>
> Docks are the worst because the boat will get pounded a lot and can't face
> the wind.
>
> Take your canvas down, center the boom and tie off the aft end to both
> stern cleats. Secure all loose lines and lead halyards where they won't
> chaffe on the spreaders.
>
> -Jeff
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Robert Seastream
> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
> Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM
>
> All:
>
> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
> next to them after the storm passed.
>
> Bob Seastream
> Intuition # 906
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:07:45 -0500
> From: chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
> Message-ID:
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>
> Pat
> that is similar to the fire I had and the catalina solution is to fuse the
> battery charger wires at the battery. They have a diagram with specs that
> they can send you. I believe that ABYC now requires this on new boats.
> Kit Carson
> #223
>
> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:10 PM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this site since its'
> > inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many of the problems
> cited,
> > ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems, corrosion etc. In
> the
> > 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the muffler and the
> > electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened pandora's box). I
> do
> > have a water under the liner problem which I have been meaning to address
> > for several of those 15 years (again freshwater only). I think
> fortunately
> > however that that problem may have saved the boat.
> >
> > On a recent single handed return from a long distance race on Lake
> Michigan
> > (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at 3 am by the bilge pump
> > cycling. It seems that the year old replacement muffler I had gotten
> from
> > Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse than the 14 year
> old
> > one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the bilges and assorted
> > pockets. Tired and grumbling since I was still 100 miles from home, I
> > removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple of hours. Some of
> the
> > water remained, as always, under the liner.
> >
> > I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and continued on. Two
> nights
> > later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad electrical storm, I
> > smelled something burning. I had a fan running off the shore power and
> > thought it had overheated but it was cool. I turned on the cabin lights
> > which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp of smoke coming from
> > behind the electrical panel. It was heavier when I opened the panel.
> > Opening the battery compartment I could see that the charger wire
> > insulation had burned completely off and these wires had fused onto and
> > burned the battery cables. These wires run under the liner through
> conduit
> > from the starboard to the port side. Apparently a power surge at the
> marina
> > had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the charger and started
> > the electrical fire. When they pulled the wiring and conduit out I could
> > see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely thru under the
> liner.
> > I am thinking
> > that maybe the water underneath had helped keep the fire from spreading.
> > Except for all of the wiring, charger and battery switch all else was
> ok.
> >
> > The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires directly to the
> > battery, but to the battery switch with fuses. He said that would
> alleviate
> > some of the wiring running underneath the liner. He also said that the
> > reason that the charger breaker did not pop was because the charge went
> thru
> > the negative side seeking ground.
> >
> > This was just a long way of saying that we should be aware of the wiring
> > which is run thru and under the liner from the engine, charger, panel
> etc.
> > In additon to being inaccessible it may also be subject to chafe and
> > fraying. If I am ever on the boat again during an electrical storm I
> will
> > immediately remove the shore power cord.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:57:34 -0700 (PDT)
> From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
> Message-ID: <118319.86321.qm at web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Thanks Kit I think that is what the electrician told me about the
> standards when he put the fuses on the wires at the batt switch. I know
> less about this field than I do computers so I forgot to ask him if this
> affected the way the batteries are charged on shore power, ie both charged
> no matter what position the switch is on.
>
> Pat
>
> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> > Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:07 AM
> > Pat
> > that is similar to the fire I had and the catalina solution
> > is to fuse the
> > battery charger wires at the battery. They have a diagram
> > with specs that
> > they can send you. I believe that ABYC now requires this on
> > new boats.
> > Kit Carson
> > #223
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:10 PM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this
> > site since its'
> > > inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many
> > of the problems cited,
> > > ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems,
> > corrosion etc.? In the
> > > 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the
> > muffler and the
> > > electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened
> > pandora's box).? I do
> > > have a water under the liner problem which I have been
> > meaning to address
> > > for several of those 15 years (again freshwater
> > only).? I think fortunately
> > > however that that problem may have saved the boat.
> > >
> > > On a recent single handed return from a long distance
> > race on Lake Michigan
> > > (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at? 3
> > am by the bilge pump
> > > cycling.? It seems that the year old replacement
> > muffler I had gotten from
> > > Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse
> > than the 14 year old
> > > one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the
> > bilges and assorted
> > > pockets.? Tired and grumbling since I was still
> > 100 miles from home, I
> > > removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple
> > of hours.? Some of the
> > > water remained, as always, under the liner.
> > >
> > > I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and
> > continued on.? Two nights
> > > later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad
> > electrical storm, I
> > > smelled something burning.? I had a fan running
> > off the shore power and
> > > thought it had overheated but it was cool.? I
> > turned on the cabin lights
> > > which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp
> > of smoke coming from
> > > behind the electrical panel.? It was heavier when
> > I opened the panel.
> > >? Opening the battery compartment I could see that
> > the charger wire
> > > insulation had burned completely off and these wires
> > had fused onto and
> > > burned the battery cables.? These wires run under
> > the liner through conduit
> > > from the starboard to the port side.? Apparently
> > a power surge at the marina
> > > had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the
> > charger and started
> > > the electrical fire.? When they pulled the wiring
> > and conduit out I could
> > > see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely
> > thru under the liner.
> > >? I am thinking
> > >? that maybe the water underneath had helped keep
> > the fire from spreading.
> > >? Except for all of the wiring, charger and
> > battery switch all else was ok.
> > >
> > > The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires
> > directly to the
> > > battery, but to the battery switch with fuses.?
> > He said that would alleviate
> > > some of the wiring running underneath the liner.?
> > He also said that the
> > > reason that the charger breaker did not pop was
> > because the charge went thru
> > > the negative side seeking ground.
> > >
> > > This was just a long way of saying that we should be
> > aware of the wiring
> > > which is run thru and under the liner from the engine,
> > charger, panel etc.
> > >? In additon to being inaccessible it may also be
> > subject to chafe and
> > > fraying.???If I am ever on the boat
> > again during an electrical storm I will
> > > immediately remove the shore power cord.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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