[C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 882, Issue 1
Scott Thompson
surprise at thompson87.com
Thu Sep 2 04:53:29 PDT 2010
Ditto on my 1999 boat, and we even use Chesapeake Bay water to flush
most of the time. (I usually do a last flush with fresh before leaving
the boat, however.) I do not recall it to be an issue on older 320s
when we went shopping in 2003.
Scott Thompson
Surprise, 653
hcreech at comcast.net wrote:
> Hey List, just an observation, but most of the hull numbers I have seen mentioning this problem have been newer boats. My boat, hull 606, is a 1999 model. Once I learned, from the list, to use fresh water instead of pumping bay water there has been no odors on my boat, you can ask my wife. As long as I take care of the bilge the boat smells like a boat, but no offensive odors. I am assuming the locker everyone is mentioning is beneath the head sink, if so no odors from there, in fact none from anywhere on the boat. We do pump out on a regular basis, but sometimes it sits, so I was a little surprised to hear this complaint. Maybe someone should tally the hull numbers and see, if like the shallow bilge problem, it is related to a certain vintage boat.
> Sorry some are having this problem.
>
>
>
> Herb Creech
> Cloud Chaser #606
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "michael nagelkirk" <mikenagelkirk at gmail.com>
> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 1, 2010 3:43:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 882, Issue 1
>
> My goodness Sean, Fred and all the rest of us dealing with the odor issue. I
> had no idea that it was almost universal. To think of the time and money
> required just to get as little as 20% of the odor out and not even be able
> to use your locker or the full potential of your head for that matter is
> appalling. I think we should collectively take this up with Catalina
> directly and have its experts solve the problem and possibly even contribute
> to the remedy.
>
> *Mike NagelkirkMikeNagelkirk*
> True North #909
>
>
>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>> 1. Re: eliminating odor (Sean Kaldor)
>> 2. Re: eliminating odor (Fred LEcuyer)
>> 3. Cockpit shower wand (Irving Grunes)
>> 4. muffler and electrical excitment (pat reynolds)
>> 5. Re: Cockpit shower wand (hcreech at comcast.net)
>> 6. Re: Cockpit shower wand (Irving Grunes)
>> 7. Re: Cockpit shower wand (hcreech at comcast.net)
>> 8. Re: Cockpit shower wand (Scott Thompson)
>> 9. Hurricane Earl (Robert Seastream)
>> 10. Re: Hurricane Earl (ericstillwellevans at gmail.com)
>> 11. Re: Hurricane Earl (jim brown)
>> 12. Re: Hurricane Earl (=?utf-8?B?YXJnYXRlczJuZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
>> 13. Re: Hurricane Earl (Kurt Budelmann)
>> 14. Re: Hurricane Earl (Jeff Hare)
>> 15. Re: muffler and electrical excitment (chester carson)
>> 16. Re: muffler and electrical excitment (pat reynolds)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:20:11 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Sean Kaldor <spkaldor at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>> Message-ID: <697913.24018.qm at web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> We've also had a problem with odor on our 1998 #499.
>>
>> Prior Owner used rarely. Noticed the smell in the locker and in the
>> compartment
>> under the sink upon purchase.
>>
>> Took the following action:
>>
>> (1) Replaced the entire head;
>> (2) Replaced all hoses to/from the head (raw water intake, pumpout) as well
>> as
>> sink drain hose;
>> (3) Replaced the main vent hose;
>> (4) Replaced the hose from the head to the holding tank;
>> (5) Removed all wood from the locker, sprayed locker and
>> compartment?repeatedly
>> with pet odor 'natures miracle' remover;
>> (6) Cleaned entire head compartment with bleach/water;
>> (7) Have used fresh water flush since we purchased the boat, and no solid
>> waste;
>> (8) Cleaned the thru-hull vent;
>>
>> Four?months later, I would say the odor is about 20% improved.
>>
>> The only other steps I can think of would be:
>> (1) Replace the holding tank;
>> (2) Replace hoses to macerator, and the macerator;
>> (3) Scrub area under the holding tank with bleach/water and odor remover;
>>
>> But I have no idea if that will really fix the problem. At this point, we
>> don't
>> store anything in the locker and are happy the smell doesn't go any further
>> than
>> that.
>>
>> Sean
>> Libert? #499
>> San Francisco
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:35:34 -0400
>> From: Fred LEcuyer <fred.lecuyer at live.com>
>> To: Catalina320list Catalina320list <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>> Message-ID: <SNT113-W37399B1320F4AABC876DDE98A0 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>>
>> Sean:
>>
>> Our biggest improvement seemed to come when I re-tefloned the fittings to
>> the tank and removed the tank to scrub underneath.
>>
>> Someone further down the E-mail chain suggest that backpressure from
>> accidently hitting the macerator switch may have caused leakage at the
>> fittings. That makes sense to me and it's nearly impossible to tell what's
>> under the tank until you pull it.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:20:11 -0700
>>> From: spkaldor at yahoo.com
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>>>
>>> We've also had a problem with odor on our 1998 #499.
>>>
>>> Prior Owner used rarely. Noticed the smell in the locker and in the
>> compartment
>>> under the sink upon purchase.
>>>
>>> Took the following action:
>>>
>>> (1) Replaced the entire head;
>>> (2) Replaced all hoses to/from the head (raw water intake, pumpout) as
>> well as
>>> sink drain hose;
>>> (3) Replaced the main vent hose;
>>> (4) Replaced the hose from the head to the holding tank;
>>> (5) Removed all wood from the locker, sprayed locker and compartment
>> repeatedly
>>> with pet odor 'natures miracle' remover;
>>> (6) Cleaned entire head compartment with bleach/water;
>>> (7) Have used fresh water flush since we purchased the boat, and no solid
>> waste;
>>> (8) Cleaned the thru-hull vent;
>>>
>>> Four months later, I would say the odor is about 20% improved.
>>>
>>> The only other steps I can think of would be:
>>> (1) Replace the holding tank;
>>> (2) Replace hoses to macerator, and the macerator;
>>> (3) Scrub area under the holding tank with bleach/water and odor remover;
>>>
>>> But I have no idea if that will really fix the problem. At this point, we
>> don't
>>> store anything in the locker and are happy the smell doesn't go any
>> further than
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Sean
>>> Libert? #499
>>> San Francisco
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:00:00 -0400
>> From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List <C320-list at catalina320.org>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTimr4vwxdBEF6CBXT1omhq6ftVM0Wn9GQGGNRjt- at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>> Irv grunes
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:10:55 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>> Message-ID: <268590.93779.qm at web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this site since its'
>> inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many of the problems cited,
>> ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems, corrosion etc. In the
>> 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the muffler and the
>> electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened pandora's box). I do
>> have a water under the liner problem which I have been meaning to address
>> for several of those 15 years (again freshwater only). I think fortunately
>> however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>>
>> On a recent single handed return from a long distance race on Lake Michigan
>> (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at 3 am by the bilge pump
>> cycling. It seems that the year old replacement muffler I had gotten from
>> Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse than the 14 year old
>> one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the bilges and assorted
>> pockets. Tired and grumbling since I was still 100 miles from home, I
>> removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple of hours. Some of the
>> water remained, as always, under the liner.
>>
>> I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and continued on. Two nights
>> later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad electrical storm, I
>> smelled something burning. I had a fan running off the shore power and
>> thought it had overheated but it was cool. I turned on the cabin lights
>> which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp of smoke coming from
>> behind the electrical panel. It was heavier when I opened the panel.
>> Opening the battery compartment I could see that the charger wire
>> insulation had burned completely off and these wires had fused onto and
>> burned the battery cables. These wires run under the liner through conduit
>> from the starboard to the port side. Apparently a power surge at the marina
>> had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the charger and started
>> the electrical fire. When they pulled the wiring and conduit out I could
>> see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely thru under the liner.
>> I am thinking
>> that maybe the water underneath had helped keep the fire from spreading.
>> Except for all of the wiring, charger and battery switch all else was ok.
>>
>> The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires directly to the
>> battery, but to the battery switch with fuses. He said that would alleviate
>> some of the wiring running underneath the liner. He also said that the
>> reason that the charger breaker did not pop was because the charge went thru
>> the negative side seeking ground.
>>
>> This was just a long way of saying that we should be aware of the wiring
>> which is run thru and under the liner from the engine, charger, panel etc.
>> In additon to being inaccessible it may also be subject to chafe and
>> fraying. If I am ever on the boat again during an electrical storm I will
>> immediately remove the shore power cord.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 00:43:47 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: hcreech at comcast.net
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>> Message-ID:
>> <
>> 1793164456.820936.1283301827848.JavaMail.root at sz0074a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That is
>> where I bought mine.
>>
>>
>> Herb Creech
>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> To: "C320-List" <C320-list at catalina320.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:00:00 PM
>> Subject: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>
>> Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>> Irv grunes
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:49:07 -0400
>> From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTikz4Ju1H9wbYo_YRyW7nXMHHVxa0LysYLmnj73w at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Sorry, I meant cockpit shower wand.
>> Irv
>> #851
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2010 8:43 PM, <hcreech at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That is
>> where I bought mine.
>>
>>
>> Herb Creech
>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> To: "C320-List" <C320-li...
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 01:55:14 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: hcreech at comcast.net
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>> Message-ID:
>> <
>> 405149512.824953.1283306114833.JavaMail.root at sz0074a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> That was what I was talking about, read it right the first time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Herb
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:49:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>
>> Sorry, I meant cockpit shower wand.
>> Irv
>> #851
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2010 8:43 PM, <hcreech at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That is
>> where I bought mine.
>>
>>
>> Herb Creech
>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> To: "C320-List" <C320-li...
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 07:29:26 -0400
>> From: Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>> Message-ID: <4C7E3916.8040401 at thompson87.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> These are manufactured by SSI Custom Plastics in Hollywood, Maryland.
>> They were very helpful when I called them to get a replacement a few
>> years back.
>>
>> See http://www.ssicustomplastics.com/
>>
>> --
>> Scott Thompson
>> Surprise, #653
>>
>>
>> Irving Grunes wrote:
>>> Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>>> Irv grunes
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:47:10 -0400
>> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Message-ID: <C517D7D0-582E-400F-85B0-7F144AED46EA at comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>>
>> All:
>>
>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>> next to them after the storm passed.
>>
>> Bob Seastream
>> Intuition # 906
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:00:15 +0000
>> From: ericstillwellevans at gmail.com
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <1158712043-1283342415-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-275800562- at bda2817.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>
>> I used to feel the same way until a Squall traveling 40mph with 85mph winds
>> lasting only 10min dragged my boat and others and caused damage.
>>
>> I would think with the storm surge related to hurricanes a mooring may be
>> fine but I would extend your mooring lines.
>>
>> Rick
>> 724
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Robert Seastream
>> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM
>>
>> All:
>>
>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>> next to them after the storm passed.
>>
>> Bob Seastream
>> Intuition # 906
>>
>>
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 05:01:55 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: jim brown <jbrown5093 at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Message-ID: <732454.82453.qm at web58604.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> BoatUS has a whole section on hurricane preparation from the safest place
>> to be to what kind of lines-not nylon- to use to what chafing gear is best
>> etc Very helpful
>>
>> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 7:47 AM
>>
>> All:
>>
>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit (doubtful
>> the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:? in a slip, on a
>> mooring, or out of the water?
>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about and
>> hit the boat.? On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying next to
>> them after the storm passed.
>>
>> Bob Seastream
>> Intuition # 906
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 08:04:23 -0400
>> From: "=?utf-8?B?YXJnYXRlczJuZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?="
>> <argates2nd at comcast.net>
>> To: "=?utf-8?B?Um9iZXJ0IFNlYXN0cmVhbQ==?="
>> <robert.seastream at comcast.net>, C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Message-ID: <20100901120417.B6650448230 at homiemail-mx2.g.dreamhost.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Ins req'ts?
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>> Date: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 7:47 am
>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>
>> All:
>>
>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit (doubtful
>> the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer: in a slip, on a
>> mooring, or out of the water?
>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about and
>> hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying next to
>> them after the storm passed.
>>
>> Bob Seastream
>> Intuition # 906
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:37:18 -0400
>> From: "Kurt Budelmann" <krbmd77 at charter.net>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Message-ID: <F14A55A0B8894971891B266CC66DAA25 at lchcs.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> Seaworthy, the Boat US magazine showed that the best preparation was on
>> land
>> with jackstands and guide wires preventing the boat from moving. I think
>> they had 4 to 6 guide wires anchored in the ground around the boat. Also,
>> their insurance will offset the cost.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:47 AM
>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>
>>
>>> All:
>>>
>>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>> (doubtful
>>> the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer: in a slip,
>> on
>>> a mooring, or out of the water?
>>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>>> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>> next
>>> to them after the storm passed.
>>>
>>> Bob Seastream
>>> Intuition # 906
>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:38:56 +0000
>> From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Message-ID:
>>
>> <255742206-1283344729-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-419593409- at bda284.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>
>> In our area Bob, land is the best option as yards around here are used to
>> blocking boats on stands for high winds. Maybe 100 mph winds would require
>> some staked lines or tied off on trees. I know my boat with cover has done
>> fine in 70mph on land. Ins companies will often pay for haulout if a storm
>> is imminent and damage is likely.
>>
>> I would say moorings next assuming the mooring block and tackle is solid.
>>
>> Docks are the worst because the boat will get pounded a lot and can't face
>> the wind.
>>
>> Take your canvas down, center the boom and tie off the aft end to both
>> stern cleats. Secure all loose lines and lead halyards where they won't
>> chaffe on the spreaders.
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Robert Seastream
>> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM
>>
>> All:
>>
>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>> next to them after the storm passed.
>>
>> Bob Seastream
>> Intuition # 906
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:07:45 -0500
>> From: chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTimJm2YoBp05rCzKkLKsTonCSdZ4-GGBk+2m9=Gd at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Pat
>> that is similar to the fire I had and the catalina solution is to fuse the
>> battery charger wires at the battery. They have a diagram with specs that
>> they can send you. I believe that ABYC now requires this on new boats.
>> Kit Carson
>> #223
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:10 PM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this site since its'
>>> inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many of the problems
>> cited,
>>> ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems, corrosion etc. In
>> the
>>> 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the muffler and the
>>> electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened pandora's box). I
>> do
>>> have a water under the liner problem which I have been meaning to address
>>> for several of those 15 years (again freshwater only). I think
>> fortunately
>>> however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>>>
>>> On a recent single handed return from a long distance race on Lake
>> Michigan
>>> (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at 3 am by the bilge pump
>>> cycling. It seems that the year old replacement muffler I had gotten
>> from
>>> Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse than the 14 year
>> old
>>> one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the bilges and assorted
>>> pockets. Tired and grumbling since I was still 100 miles from home, I
>>> removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple of hours. Some of
>> the
>>> water remained, as always, under the liner.
>>>
>>> I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and continued on. Two
>> nights
>>> later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad electrical storm, I
>>> smelled something burning. I had a fan running off the shore power and
>>> thought it had overheated but it was cool. I turned on the cabin lights
>>> which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp of smoke coming from
>>> behind the electrical panel. It was heavier when I opened the panel.
>>> Opening the battery compartment I could see that the charger wire
>>> insulation had burned completely off and these wires had fused onto and
>>> burned the battery cables. These wires run under the liner through
>> conduit
>>> from the starboard to the port side. Apparently a power surge at the
>> marina
>>> had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the charger and started
>>> the electrical fire. When they pulled the wiring and conduit out I could
>>> see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely thru under the
>> liner.
>>> I am thinking
>>> that maybe the water underneath had helped keep the fire from spreading.
>>> Except for all of the wiring, charger and battery switch all else was
>> ok.
>>> The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires directly to the
>>> battery, but to the battery switch with fuses. He said that would
>> alleviate
>>> some of the wiring running underneath the liner. He also said that the
>>> reason that the charger breaker did not pop was because the charge went
>> thru
>>> the negative side seeking ground.
>>>
>>> This was just a long way of saying that we should be aware of the wiring
>>> which is run thru and under the liner from the engine, charger, panel
>> etc.
>>> In additon to being inaccessible it may also be subject to chafe and
>>> fraying. If I am ever on the boat again during an electrical storm I
>> will
>>> immediately remove the shore power cord.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 16
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:57:34 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>> Message-ID: <118319.86321.qm at web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> Thanks Kit I think that is what the electrician told me about the
>> standards when he put the fuses on the wires at the batt switch. I know
>> less about this field than I do computers so I forgot to ask him if this
>> affected the way the batteries are charged on shore power, ie both charged
>> no matter what position the switch is on.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:07 AM
>>> Pat
>>> that is similar to the fire I had and the catalina solution
>>> is to fuse the
>>> battery charger wires at the battery. They have a diagram
>>> with specs that
>>> they can send you. I believe that ABYC now requires this on
>>> new boats.
>>> Kit Carson
>>> #223
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:10 PM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this
>>> site since its'
>>>> inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many
>>> of the problems cited,
>>>> ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems,
>>> corrosion etc.? In the
>>>> 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the
>>> muffler and the
>>>> electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened
>>> pandora's box).? I do
>>>> have a water under the liner problem which I have been
>>> meaning to address
>>>> for several of those 15 years (again freshwater
>>> only).? I think fortunately
>>>> however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>>>>
>>>> On a recent single handed return from a long distance
>>> race on Lake Michigan
>>>> (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at? 3
>>> am by the bilge pump
>>>> cycling.? It seems that the year old replacement
>>> muffler I had gotten from
>>>> Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse
>>> than the 14 year old
>>>> one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the
>>> bilges and assorted
>>>> pockets.? Tired and grumbling since I was still
>>> 100 miles from home, I
>>>> removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple
>>> of hours.? Some of the
>>>> water remained, as always, under the liner.
>>>>
>>>> I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and
>>> continued on.? Two nights
>>>> later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad
>>> electrical storm, I
>>>> smelled something burning.? I had a fan running
>>> off the shore power and
>>>> thought it had overheated but it was cool.? I
>>> turned on the cabin lights
>>>> which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp
>>> of smoke coming from
>>>> behind the electrical panel.? It was heavier when
>>> I opened the panel.
>>>> ? Opening the battery compartment I could see that
>>> the charger wire
>>>> insulation had burned completely off and these wires
>>> had fused onto and
>>>> burned the battery cables.? These wires run under
>>> the liner through conduit
>>>> from the starboard to the port side.? Apparently
>>> a power surge at the marina
>>>> had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the
>>> charger and started
>>>> the electrical fire.? When they pulled the wiring
>>> and conduit out I could
>>>> see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely
>>> thru under the liner.
>>>> ? I am thinking
>>>> ? that maybe the water underneath had helped keep
>>> the fire from spreading.
>>>> ? Except for all of the wiring, charger and
>>> battery switch all else was ok.
>>>> The electrician did not reconnect the
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Scott Thompson
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