[C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 882, Issue 1
Jack McDonough
mcdonough5 at verizon.net
Thu Sep 2 09:48:02 PDT 2010
Mike:
I agree completely and second your motion to have Catalina look into the
problem.
Jack
"Sure Bet" #947
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Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 3:43 PM
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> My goodness Sean, Fred and all the rest of us dealing with the odor issue.
> I
> had no idea that it was almost universal. To think of the time and money
> required just to get as little as 20% of the odor out and not even be able
> to use your locker or the full potential of your head for that matter is
> appalling. I think we should collectively take this up with Catalina
> directly and have its experts solve the problem and possibly even
> contribute
> to the remedy.
>
> *Mike NagelkirkMikeNagelkirk*
> True North #909
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 3:00 PM,
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>> Today's Topics:
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>> 1. Re: eliminating odor (Sean Kaldor)
>> 2. Re: eliminating odor (Fred LEcuyer)
>> 3. Cockpit shower wand (Irving Grunes)
>> 4. muffler and electrical excitment (pat reynolds)
>> 5. Re: Cockpit shower wand (hcreech at comcast.net)
>> 6. Re: Cockpit shower wand (Irving Grunes)
>> 7. Re: Cockpit shower wand (hcreech at comcast.net)
>> 8. Re: Cockpit shower wand (Scott Thompson)
>> 9. Hurricane Earl (Robert Seastream)
>> 10. Re: Hurricane Earl (ericstillwellevans at gmail.com)
>> 11. Re: Hurricane Earl (jim brown)
>> 12. Re: Hurricane Earl (=?utf-8?B?YXJnYXRlczJuZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
>> 13. Re: Hurricane Earl (Kurt Budelmann)
>> 14. Re: Hurricane Earl (Jeff Hare)
>> 15. Re: muffler and electrical excitment (chester carson)
>> 16. Re: muffler and electrical excitment (pat reynolds)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:20:11 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Sean Kaldor <spkaldor at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>> Message-ID: <697913.24018.qm at web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> We've also had a problem with odor on our 1998 #499.
>>
>> Prior Owner used rarely. Noticed the smell in the locker and in the
>> compartment
>> under the sink upon purchase.
>>
>> Took the following action:
>>
>> (1) Replaced the entire head;
>> (2) Replaced all hoses to/from the head (raw water intake, pumpout) as
>> well
>> as
>> sink drain hose;
>> (3) Replaced the main vent hose;
>> (4) Replaced the hose from the head to the holding tank;
>> (5) Removed all wood from the locker, sprayed locker and
>> compartment?repeatedly
>> with pet odor 'natures miracle' remover;
>> (6) Cleaned entire head compartment with bleach/water;
>> (7) Have used fresh water flush since we purchased the boat, and no solid
>> waste;
>> (8) Cleaned the thru-hull vent;
>>
>> Four?months later, I would say the odor is about 20% improved.
>>
>> The only other steps I can think of would be:
>> (1) Replace the holding tank;
>> (2) Replace hoses to macerator, and the macerator;
>> (3) Scrub area under the holding tank with bleach/water and odor remover;
>>
>> But I have no idea if that will really fix the problem. At this point, we
>> don't
>> store anything in the locker and are happy the smell doesn't go any
>> further
>> than
>> that.
>>
>> Sean
>> Libert? #499
>> San Francisco
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:35:34 -0400
>> From: Fred LEcuyer <fred.lecuyer at live.com>
>> To: Catalina320list Catalina320list <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>> Message-ID: <SNT113-W37399B1320F4AABC876DDE98A0 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>>
>> Sean:
>>
>> Our biggest improvement seemed to come when I re-tefloned the fittings to
>> the tank and removed the tank to scrub underneath.
>>
>> Someone further down the E-mail chain suggest that backpressure from
>> accidently hitting the macerator switch may have caused leakage at the
>> fittings. That makes sense to me and it's nearly impossible to tell
>> what's
>> under the tank until you pull it.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 12:20:11 -0700
>> > From: spkaldor at yahoo.com
>> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] eliminating odor
>> >
>> > We've also had a problem with odor on our 1998 #499.
>> >
>> > Prior Owner used rarely. Noticed the smell in the locker and in the
>> compartment
>> > under the sink upon purchase.
>> >
>> > Took the following action:
>> >
>> > (1) Replaced the entire head;
>> > (2) Replaced all hoses to/from the head (raw water intake, pumpout) as
>> well as
>> > sink drain hose;
>> > (3) Replaced the main vent hose;
>> > (4) Replaced the hose from the head to the holding tank;
>> > (5) Removed all wood from the locker, sprayed locker and compartment
>> repeatedly
>> > with pet odor 'natures miracle' remover;
>> > (6) Cleaned entire head compartment with bleach/water;
>> > (7) Have used fresh water flush since we purchased the boat, and no
>> > solid
>> waste;
>> > (8) Cleaned the thru-hull vent;
>> >
>> > Four months later, I would say the odor is about 20% improved.
>> >
>> > The only other steps I can think of would be:
>> > (1) Replace the holding tank;
>> > (2) Replace hoses to macerator, and the macerator;
>> > (3) Scrub area under the holding tank with bleach/water and odor
>> > remover;
>> >
>> > But I have no idea if that will really fix the problem. At this point,
>> > we
>> don't
>> > store anything in the locker and are happy the smell doesn't go any
>> further than
>> > that.
>> >
>> > Sean
>> > Libert? #499
>> > San Francisco
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:00:00 -0400
>> From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List <C320-list at catalina320.org>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTimr4vwxdBEF6CBXT1omhq6ftVM0Wn9GQGGNRjt- at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>> Irv grunes
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:10:55 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>> Message-ID: <268590.93779.qm at web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this site since its'
>> inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many of the problems
>> cited,
>> ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems, corrosion etc. In
>> the
>> 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the muffler and the
>> electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened pandora's box). I
>> do
>> have a water under the liner problem which I have been meaning to address
>> for several of those 15 years (again freshwater only). I think
>> fortunately
>> however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>>
>> On a recent single handed return from a long distance race on Lake
>> Michigan
>> (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at 3 am by the bilge pump
>> cycling. It seems that the year old replacement muffler I had gotten
>> from
>> Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse than the 14 year
>> old
>> one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the bilges and assorted
>> pockets. Tired and grumbling since I was still 100 miles from home, I
>> removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple of hours. Some of
>> the
>> water remained, as always, under the liner.
>>
>> I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and continued on. Two
>> nights
>> later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad electrical storm, I
>> smelled something burning. I had a fan running off the shore power and
>> thought it had overheated but it was cool. I turned on the cabin lights
>> which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp of smoke coming from
>> behind the electrical panel. It was heavier when I opened the panel.
>> Opening the battery compartment I could see that the charger wire
>> insulation had burned completely off and these wires had fused onto and
>> burned the battery cables. These wires run under the liner through
>> conduit
>> from the starboard to the port side. Apparently a power surge at the
>> marina
>> had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the charger and started
>> the electrical fire. When they pulled the wiring and conduit out I could
>> see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely thru under the
>> liner.
>> I am thinking
>> that maybe the water underneath had helped keep the fire from spreading.
>> Except for all of the wiring, charger and battery switch all else was
>> ok.
>>
>> The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires directly to the
>> battery, but to the battery switch with fuses. He said that would
>> alleviate
>> some of the wiring running underneath the liner. He also said that the
>> reason that the charger breaker did not pop was because the charge went
>> thru
>> the negative side seeking ground.
>>
>> This was just a long way of saying that we should be aware of the wiring
>> which is run thru and under the liner from the engine, charger, panel
>> etc.
>> In additon to being inaccessible it may also be subject to chafe and
>> fraying. If I am ever on the boat again during an electrical storm I
>> will
>> immediately remove the shore power cord.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 00:43:47 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: hcreech at comcast.net
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>> Message-ID:
>> <
>> 1793164456.820936.1283301827848.JavaMail.root at sz0074a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net
>> >
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That is
>> where I bought mine.
>>
>>
>> Herb Creech
>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> To: "C320-List" <C320-list at catalina320.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:00:00 PM
>> Subject: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>
>> Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>> Irv grunes
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 20:49:07 -0400
>> From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTikz4Ju1H9wbYo_YRyW7nXMHHVxa0LysYLmnj73w at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Sorry, I meant cockpit shower wand.
>> Irv
>> #851
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2010 8:43 PM, <hcreech at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That is
>> where I bought mine.
>>
>>
>> Herb Creech
>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> To: "C320-List" <C320-li...
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 01:55:14 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: hcreech at comcast.net
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>> Message-ID:
>> <
>> 405149512.824953.1283306114833.JavaMail.root at sz0074a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net
>> >
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> That was what I was talking about, read it right the first time.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Herb
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:49:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>>
>> Sorry, I meant cockpit shower wand.
>> Irv
>> #851
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2010 8:43 PM, <hcreech at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Real easy, Home Depot or Lowes, it's a standard replacement item. That is
>> where I bought mine.
>>
>>
>> Herb Creech
>> Cloud Chaser #606
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Irving Grunes" <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> To: "C320-List" <C320-li...
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 07:29:26 -0400
>> From: Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Cockpit shower wand
>> Message-ID: <4C7E3916.8040401 at thompson87.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> These are manufactured by SSI Custom Plastics in Hollywood, Maryland.
>> They were very helpful when I called them to get a replacement a few
>> years back.
>>
>> See http://www.ssicustomplastics.com/
>>
>> --
>> Scott Thompson
>> Surprise, #653
>>
>>
>> Irving Grunes wrote:
>> > Where to buy replacement shower wand and hose
>> > Irv grunes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 07:47:10 -0400
>> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Message-ID: <C517D7D0-582E-400F-85B0-7F144AED46EA at comcast.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>>
>> All:
>>
>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>> next to them after the storm passed.
>>
>> Bob Seastream
>> Intuition # 906
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:00:15 +0000
>> From: ericstillwellevans at gmail.com
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Message-ID:
>>
>>
>> <1158712043-1283342415-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-275800562- at bda2817.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
>> >
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>
>> I used to feel the same way until a Squall traveling 40mph with 85mph
>> winds
>> lasting only 10min dragged my boat and others and caused damage.
>>
>> I would think with the storm surge related to hurricanes a mooring may be
>> fine but I would extend your mooring lines.
>>
>> Rick
>> 724
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Robert Seastream
>> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM
>>
>> All:
>>
>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>> next to them after the storm passed.
>>
>> Bob Seastream
>> Intuition # 906
>>
>>
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 05:01:55 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: jim brown <jbrown5093 at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Message-ID: <732454.82453.qm at web58604.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> BoatUS has a whole section on hurricane preparation from the safest place
>> to be to what kind of lines-not nylon- to use to what chafing gear is
>> best
>> etc Very helpful
>>
>> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Robert Seastream <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 7:47 AM
>>
>> All:
>>
>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit (doubtful
>> the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:? in a slip, on
>> a
>> mooring, or out of the water?
>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>> and
>> hit the boat.? On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying next to
>> them after the storm passed.
>>
>> Bob Seastream
>> Intuition # 906
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2010 08:04:23 -0400
>> From: "=?utf-8?B?YXJnYXRlczJuZEBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?="
>> <argates2nd at comcast.net>
>> To: "=?utf-8?B?Um9iZXJ0IFNlYXN0cmVhbQ==?="
>> <robert.seastream at comcast.net>, C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Message-ID: <20100901120417.B6650448230 at homiemail-mx2.g.dreamhost.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Ins req'ts?
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>> Date: Wed, Sep 1, 2010 7:47 am
>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>
>> All:
>>
>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit (doubtful
>> the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer: in a slip, on
>> a
>> mooring, or out of the water?
>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>> and
>> hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying next to
>> them after the storm passed.
>>
>> Bob Seastream
>> Intuition # 906
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:37:18 -0400
>> From: "Kurt Budelmann" <krbmd77 at charter.net>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Message-ID: <F14A55A0B8894971891B266CC66DAA25 at lchcs.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=response
>>
>> Seaworthy, the Boat US magazine showed that the best preparation was on
>> land
>> with jackstands and guide wires preventing the boat from moving. I think
>> they had 4 to 6 guide wires anchored in the ground around the boat.
>> Also,
>> their insurance will offset the cost.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Robert Seastream" <robert.seastream at comcast.net>
>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:47 AM
>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>>
>>
>> > All:
>> >
>> > Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>> (doubtful
>> > the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer: in a slip,
>> on
>> > a mooring, or out of the water?
>> > I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>> > and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>> next
>> > to them after the storm passed.
>> >
>> > Bob Seastream
>> > Intuition # 906
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 12:38:56 +0000
>> From: "Jeff Hare" <catalina at thehares.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Message-ID:
>>
>>
>> <255742206-1283344729-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-419593409- at bda284.bisx.prod.on.blackberry
>> >
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain
>>
>> In our area Bob, land is the best option as yards around here are used to
>> blocking boats on stands for high winds. Maybe 100 mph winds would
>> require
>> some staked lines or tied off on trees. I know my boat with cover has
>> done
>> fine in 70mph on land. Ins companies will often pay for haulout if a
>> storm
>> is imminent and damage is likely.
>>
>> I would say moorings next assuming the mooring block and tackle is solid.
>>
>> Docks are the worst because the boat will get pounded a lot and can't
>> face
>> the wind.
>>
>> Take your canvas down, center the boom and tie off the aft end to both
>> stern cleats. Secure all loose lines and lead halyards where they won't
>> chaffe on the spreaders.
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Robert Seastream
>> Sender: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> ReplyTo: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Hurricane Earl
>> Sent: Sep 1, 2010 7:47 AM
>>
>> All:
>>
>> Not to unduly excite everyone, but in the event of a direct hit
>> (doubtful the case here) where do you feel your boat would be safer:
>> in a slip, on a mooring, or out of the water?
>> I lean towards on a mooring because there's less 'things' to fly about
>> and hit the boat. On land she'd be on jackstands; more likely lying
>> next to them after the storm passed.
>>
>> Bob Seastream
>> Intuition # 906
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 10:07:45 -0500
>> From: chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com>
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTimJm2YoBp05rCzKkLKsTonCSdZ4-GGBk+2m9=Gd at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Pat
>> that is similar to the fire I had and the catalina solution is to fuse
>> the
>> battery charger wires at the battery. They have a diagram with specs that
>> they can send you. I believe that ABYC now requires this on new boats.
>> Kit Carson
>> #223
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:10 PM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this site since its'
>> > inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many of the problems
>> cited,
>> > ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems, corrosion etc. In
>> the
>> > 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the muffler and the
>> > electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened pandora's box).
>> > I
>> do
>> > have a water under the liner problem which I have been meaning to
>> > address
>> > for several of those 15 years (again freshwater only). I think
>> fortunately
>> > however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>> >
>> > On a recent single handed return from a long distance race on Lake
>> Michigan
>> > (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at 3 am by the bilge pump
>> > cycling. It seems that the year old replacement muffler I had gotten
>> from
>> > Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse than the 14 year
>> old
>> > one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the bilges and
>> > assorted
>> > pockets. Tired and grumbling since I was still 100 miles from home, I
>> > removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple of hours. Some
>> > of
>> the
>> > water remained, as always, under the liner.
>> >
>> > I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and continued on. Two
>> nights
>> > later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad electrical storm, I
>> > smelled something burning. I had a fan running off the shore power and
>> > thought it had overheated but it was cool. I turned on the cabin
>> > lights
>> > which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp of smoke coming
>> > from
>> > behind the electrical panel. It was heavier when I opened the panel.
>> > Opening the battery compartment I could see that the charger wire
>> > insulation had burned completely off and these wires had fused onto and
>> > burned the battery cables. These wires run under the liner through
>> conduit
>> > from the starboard to the port side. Apparently a power surge at the
>> marina
>> > had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the charger and
>> > started
>> > the electrical fire. When they pulled the wiring and conduit out I
>> > could
>> > see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely thru under the
>> liner.
>> > I am thinking
>> > that maybe the water underneath had helped keep the fire from
>> > spreading.
>> > Except for all of the wiring, charger and battery switch all else was
>> ok.
>> >
>> > The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires directly to the
>> > battery, but to the battery switch with fuses. He said that would
>> alleviate
>> > some of the wiring running underneath the liner. He also said that the
>> > reason that the charger breaker did not pop was because the charge went
>> thru
>> > the negative side seeking ground.
>> >
>> > This was just a long way of saying that we should be aware of the
>> > wiring
>> > which is run thru and under the liner from the engine, charger, panel
>> etc.
>> > In additon to being inaccessible it may also be subject to chafe and
>> > fraying. If I am ever on the boat again during an electrical storm I
>> will
>> > immediately remove the shore power cord.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 16
>> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 08:57:34 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>> Message-ID: <118319.86321.qm at web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>> Thanks Kit I think that is what the electrician told me about the
>> standards when he put the fuses on the wires at the batt switch. I know
>> less about this field than I do computers so I forgot to ask him if this
>> affected the way the batteries are charged on shore power, ie both
>> charged
>> no matter what position the switch is on.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> --- On Wed, 9/1/10, chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > From: chester carson <cmkit10 at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] muffler and electrical excitment
>> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> > Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:07 AM
>> > Pat
>> > that is similar to the fire I had and the catalina solution
>> > is to fuse the
>> > battery charger wires at the battery. They have a diagram
>> > with specs that
>> > they can send you. I believe that ABYC now requires this on
>> > new boats.
>> > Kit Carson
>> > #223
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:10 PM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > As a religious follower of the wisdom imparted on this
>> > site since its'
>> > > inception, I have been fortunate to have avoided many
>> > of the problems cited,
>> > > ie; head odors (freshwater boat), charger problems,
>> > corrosion etc.? In the
>> > > 15 years we have owned the boat I have only had the
>> > muffler and the
>> > > electrical fuel pump replaced. ( I know, I just opened
>> > pandora's box).? I do
>> > > have a water under the liner problem which I have been
>> > meaning to address
>> > > for several of those 15 years (again freshwater
>> > only).? I think fortunately
>> > > however that that problem may have saved the boat.
>> > >
>> > > On a recent single handed return from a long distance
>> > race on Lake Michigan
>> > > (blessed freshwater) I was awaken at anchor at? 3
>> > am by the bilge pump
>> > > cycling.? It seems that the year old replacement
>> > muffler I had gotten from
>> > > Catalina had developed two leaks in the bottom (worse
>> > than the 14 year old
>> > > one I replaced) and motoring that day had filled the
>> > bilges and assorted
>> > > pockets.? Tired and grumbling since I was still
>> > 100 miles from home, I
>> > > removed the floor boards and hand pumped for a couple
>> > of hours.? Some of the
>> > > water remained, as always, under the liner.
>> > >
>> > > I had the muffler reglassed at the next port and
>> > continued on.? Two nights
>> > > later while in a slip, again at 4 am during a bad
>> > electrical storm, I
>> > > smelled something burning.? I had a fan running
>> > off the shore power and
>> > > thought it had overheated but it was cool.? I
>> > turned on the cabin lights
>> > > which run off the batteries and noticed a faint wisp
>> > of smoke coming from
>> > > behind the electrical panel.? It was heavier when
>> > I opened the panel.
>> > >? Opening the battery compartment I could see that
>> > the charger wire
>> > > insulation had burned completely off and these wires
>> > had fused onto and
>> > > burned the battery cables.? These wires run under
>> > the liner through conduit
>> > > from the starboard to the port side.? Apparently
>> > a power surge at the marina
>> > > had come in thru the shore power cord, burned out the
>> > charger and started
>> > > the electrical fire.? When they pulled the wiring
>> > and conduit out I could
>> > > see that the conduit (pvc pipe) was burned completely
>> > thru under the liner.
>> > >? I am thinking
>> > >? that maybe the water underneath had helped keep
>> > the fire from spreading.
>> > >? Except for all of the wiring, charger and
>> > battery switch all else was ok.
>> > >
>> > > The electrician did not reconnect the charger wires
>> > directly to the
>> > > battery, but to the battery switch with fuses.?
>> > He said that would alleviate
>> > > some of the wiring running underneath the liner.?
>> > He also said that the
>> > > reason that the charger breaker did not pop was
>> > because the charge went thru
>> > > the negative side seeking ground.
>> > >
>> > > This was just a long way of saying that we should be
>> > aware of the wiring
>> > > which is run thru and under the liner from the engine,
>> > charger, panel etc.
>> > >? In additon to being inaccessible it may also be
>> > subject to chafe and
>> > > fraying.???If I am ever on the boat
>> > again during an electrical storm I will
>> > > immediately remove the shore power cord.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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