[C320-list] Asym halyard block or second jib halyard?

[Pat Ireland]

William

I'll look into that option.  It sounds like the sail maker wizards are hard
at the continuous improvement process.  Thank you for the recommendation.

Pat

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:19 PM, William Russell <RussellW at oacsd.org> wrote:

> Pat - I have the perfect solution for you.  This year, I bought a Doyle UPS
> (Universal Power Sail).  It's essentially a
> gennaker, designed along the lines of a Code 0 that the race boats are
> using.  It has a Kevlar luff line and a small
> single line roller furling unit attached to the tack, with the swivel at
> the head of the sail.  You tension the halyard a lot with the winch, and
> the non-stretch luff line acts like a forestay.  With it really taut, you
> can sail at 35-40 degrees apparent.  When moving to a broad
> reach, ease the halyard to round the luff and it sails like an asymmetric
> spinnaker.  It's 1.5 ounce nylon, rather than .75 like my A-sail,
> so it hold up in close reaching conditions even as the wind builds.  You
> put it up at the dock, furled, and just pull a sheet to deploy it under
> sail.  It furls easily, jibes around the headstay, and can easily be
> handled when I'm sailing singlehanded.  And its really pretty . . .
> This past weekend, we were doing 6.6 knots of boat speed in 13 knots of
> wind, with the sheet cleated, just sailing by the luff of the UPS.
> It really likes to beam reach, but will do well out to about 135 degrees
> apparent.  In light air, I wouldn't think of using my 155 genoa when I have
> this sail available.  You can see a nice video of the sail on Doyle's
> website.
> On my boat, the other feature that makes this a great addition to the sail
> inventory is an aftermarket bowsprit.  It extends about 3 ' in front of the
> bowpulpit, and I fly either my UPS or my asymmetric spinnaker from the end
> of the pole.  It really frees the sail from the shadow of the main, and
> makes jibing all that much easier.
> I also have an asymmetric, which I also recommend.  It's bigger and more
> powerful.  But the UPS is MUCH easier to deploy, and functions over
> a much wider range of sailing angles.  The sailmaker at Doyle said that
> sales of the UPS are far outstripping sales of A-sales since they came out
> with them.
> In one of my sailing magazines, it looks like North is now marketing a
> similar sail, calling it a Code C.
> Finally, my boat has a masthead spinnaker crane, with spots for two
> external halyard blocks (one for the UPS, one for the A-sail).
> Hope that helps.
> Bill Russell
> Little Wing, Catalina 320 #545
> Cayuga Lake
> Ithaca NY
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>   1. Asym halyard block or second jib halyard? (Pat Ireland)
>   2. Perkins Raw Water Pump Follow Up (Welch, Myron D)
>   3. Re: Asym halyard block or second jib halyard? (Chris Burti)
>   4. Re: Asym halyard block or second jib halyard? (Pat Ireland)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:43:47 -0700
> From: Pat Ireland <cherie320 at gmail.com>
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> All
>
> Your help is appreciated.  I have two questions.  If you only have one
> light
> air sail, should it be a jib or an asymmetrical spinnaker?  And is it best
> to fly It from a block on a spinnaker crane or is there a second jib
> halyard
> block available.  My pictures of the 320 mast head look like there is only
> one shieve, but the mast drawings show two.  The pictures show a strap that
> centers the furler halyard and it looks like it would block the use of a
> second halyard.  Going to start cruising the 320 site for mast head
> pictures
> next.
>
> When we purchased Cherie, I believed we need better heavy and light air
> sails.  We have the heavy air condition reasonably covered and I'm looking
> to address the light air conditions.  Since the intention is to keep a
> heavy
> air Dacron jib on the head sail furler, the two approaches under
> consideration are 1) use a light weight 150 jib and free fly it on a luff
> wire or rope and 2) use an asymmetrical spinnaker.  The jib would allow us
> to point higher and perform through all points of sail.  Therfore it was my
> original preference.  However, I am concerned that the motion of the boat
> will shake the air out of a jib when we run down wind.  Since reaching and
> running will likely makeup most of of our light air sailing, I am
> reluctant to optimize for windward work at the expense of off the wind
> performance.
>
> And yes, the iron jib works quite well in all of these conditions and may
> well be a better solution, but I would really like to expand our ability to
> sail as the wind drops off.
>
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.  Your input would be helpful.
>
> Pat, 801
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 01:57:42 +0000
> From: "Welch, Myron D" <myron-welch at uiowa.edu>
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] Perkins Raw Water Pump Follow Up
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> After much work finding a replacement pump, the job is finally done. Some
> of you have asked for a follow up.
>
> I found a pump at Diesel Parts Direct for $598 and then Trans Atlantic
> Diesel for $404.  Torresen found it for $237 or $119 for the rebuild kit, so
> I had them ship me the new pump. Unfortunately, it was the fresh water pump,
> not the raw water. Their supplier would have to have one shipped from
> England at close to $600.
>
> I then purchased the pump from TAD. They shipped part #24950-1701 which
> looked quite different than our #24950-1101. Rather than a round impeller
> cover with 6 screws, it has a shield shape with 3 cap screws (which should
> be easier to change).  Also, unlike our exposed shaft, the shaft is
> completely covered and has 4 weep holes.
>
> After much discussion with the helpful people at TAD, they called England
> and were assured that this is the correct replacement.  I just had to remove
> and then install the drive gear on the new pump and it dropped in easily.
>
> I will now rebuild the old pump and keep it for a spare.
>
> I hope this information is helpful to fellow Perkins owners.
>
> Myron Welch
> Wind Instrument #238
> Iowa City, Iowa
>
> Sent from my iPod Touch
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:44:25 -0400
> From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Asym halyard block or second jib halyard?
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> A meaningful depends on the strength of your prevailing winds and when
> you sail. We have to take the wind as we find it because our sailing
> opportunities are limited by our work schedules. In this area it is
> not uncommon to go from zip to 20 knots and back in the same day. Some
> our favorite sailing grounds will often see 30 knots. We have a stock
> 135 on the furler and we carry an asymmetrical spinnaker in the
> locker.
>
> There are two forward and two aft sheaves on the mast. We have a
> halyard on the second block and yes there is some contact...I haven't
> noticed much adverse wear, but if we flew it more I would consider a
> crane and a bowsprit.
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Pat Ireland <cherie320 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > All
> >
> > Your help is appreciated. ?I have two questions. ?If you only have one
> light
> > air sail, should it be a jib or an asymmetrical spinnaker? ?And is it
> best
> > to fly It from a block on a spinnaker crane or is there a second jib
> halyard
> > block available. ?My pictures of the 320 mast head look like there is
> only
> > one shieve, but the mast drawings show two. ?The pictures show a strap
> that
> > centers the furler halyard and it looks like it would block the use of a
> > second halyard. ?Going to start cruising the 320 site for mast head
> pictures
> > next.
> >
> > When we purchased Cherie, I believed we need better heavy and light air
> > sails. ?We have the heavy air condition reasonably covered and I'm
> looking
> > to address the light air conditions. ?Since the intention is to keep a
> heavy
> > air Dacron jib on the head sail furler, the two approaches under
> > consideration are 1) use a light weight 150 jib and free fly it on a luff
> > wire or rope and 2) use an asymmetrical spinnaker. ?The jib would allow
> us
> > to point higher and perform through all points of sail. ?Therfore it was
> my
> > original preference. ?However, I am concerned that the motion of the boat
> > will shake the air out of a jib when we run down wind. ?Since reaching
> and
> > running will likely makeup most of of our light air sailing, I am
> > reluctant to optimize for windward work at the expense of off the wind
> > performance.
> >
> > And yes, the iron jib works quite well in all of these conditions and may
> > well be a better solution, but I would really like to expand our ability
> to
> > sail as the wind drops off.
> >
> > Any thoughts would be appreciated. ?Your input would be helpful.
> >
> > Pat, 801
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Chris Burti
> Farmville, NC
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 21:17:29 -0700
> From: Pat Ireland <cherie320 at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Asym halyard block or second jib halyard?
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> Bert
>
> Thanks - we have similar wind varability and therefore a requirement for a
> wider range of capability.  Found a set of pictures in the 320 gallery.
> Clarifies the configuration at the mast head.  And your experience helps.
> Appreciate the info.
>
> Pat, 801
>
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