[C320-list] Changing the RACOR and Secondary fuel filters.
Pat Kenefick
pkenefick at embarqmail.com
Mon Mar 21 12:15:00 PDT 2011
I have always had my mechanic do this work and foolishly failed to pay
attention. Now that I am 1000 miles away from him I need to do this job.
First, I assume that you need to shut off the fuel pump - where is that
located ?
When you drain the Racor do you discard that fuel or put in back in after
changing the filter ? Obviously if the fuel looks to be clean and clear
Secondary filter - is there a drain or simply pull out the filter and
replace it ?
After changing both filters I know that you have to prime the lines - any
special instructions in that dept. ?
Pat Kenefick
C- 320 Cynthia Gale
Hull 833
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> 1. Re: Leaking emergency rudder deck plate. (Karl Mielenhausen _/))
> 2. Washdown Pump (Karl Mielenhausen _/))
> 3. Re: throttle walk (jim brown)
> 4. Re: Leaking emergency rudder deck plate. (wflowe3 at aim.com)
> 5. Re: Battery Bank Upgrade - Which starting battery??
> (Warren Updike)
> 6. Re: throttle walk (Warren Updike)
> 7. Re: Washdown Pump (John Frost)
> 8. Re: racor primary fuel filter (David Swanson)
> 9. Re: racor primary fuel filter (hcreech at comcast.net)
> 10. Re: racor primary fuel filter (David Swanson)
> 11. Re: racor primary fuel filter (jim brown)
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:51:57 -0400
> From: "Karl Mielenhausen _/)" <C320 at suddenlink.net>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Leaking emergency rudder deck plate.
> Message-ID: <op.vso10vj55hwcq0 at toshiba>
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> Make sure the depression for the handle is not cracked. That was the
> source of mine leaking. Probably freezing water. Depression would collect
> rainwater and eventually seep through the crack. Repaired once then bought
> a new cover plate.
>
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:53:49 -0400, Dingo Is Talent
> <dingoistalent at bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> I HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM...on HULL 1150
>> Love to know
>> DINGO
>> PERTH...WESTERN AUSTRALIA
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of P & B
>> Sheerin
>> Sent: Monday, 21 March 2011 2:35 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Leaking emergency rudder deck plate.
>>
>> Does anyone experience this with their boat. We have continual water
>> ingress
>> into the emergency tiller well. It appears to be somehow getting through
>> the
>> deck plate. I've replaced the rubber sealer and also the handle o rings.
>> Also tried different profile rubber sealer (square and round) To no
>> avail.
>> Does anyone have the answer?
>> Peter "Jaraman" 1096.
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:53:39 -0400
> From: "Karl Mielenhausen _/)" <C320 at suddenlink.net>
> To: "C320IA Discussion List" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] Washdown Pump
> Message-ID: <op.vso13pmt5hwcq0 at toshiba>
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>
> Thinking of adding anchor washdown this Spring??
> Check out this deal...
> http://www.amazon.com/Jabsco-31700-0092-Washdown-4-3-GPM-12-Volt/dp/B000O8D5N2/?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=dealnewscom
>
> --
> Karl
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 05:53:50 -0700 (PDT)
> From: jim brown <jbrown5093 at yahoo.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] throttle walk
> Message-ID: <264667.51191.qm at web58601.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I think almost everyone has had this problem. Two fixes. One is to replace
> the
> clutch inside the binnacle. The other is to put a U clamp on the cable (I
> suspect that is the drag clamp mentioned) and tighten it until the
> throttle no
> longer walks. The first fix takes time and will eventually begin to walk
> again.
> The second works but remember to change the position of the clamp a couple
> of
> times a season since the wire inside the plastic sheath will eventually
> wear
> through and cause the opposite problem (very hard to move)
>
> Jim Brown
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: John Scott <jcscott at cpsc.com>
> To: C320-list at catalina320.com
> Cc: John Scott <jcscott at cpsc.com>
> Sent: Sun, March 20, 2011 10:40:57 PM
> Subject: [C320-list] throttle walk
>
> I just had a recent survey on my "new" 1993 320. The surveyor reported
> that she
> had "throttle walk". That is, the throttle wanted to seek low speed and
> walked
> its way from full on to a lower speed without holding where it was set.
> Has
> anyone had this problem? The surveyor said that I should install a "cable
> drag
> clamp" on the throttle cable. I've checked online and can't find this
> part.
> Nor can I find any reference to it. Any ideas? Thanks, in advance, for
> your
> help.
>
> John Scott
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:29:39 -0400 (EDT)
> From: wflowe3 at aim.com
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Leaking emergency rudder deck plate.
> Message-ID: <8CDB5E329897F88-C14-2D400 at webmail-m126.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>
> I have the same problem on hull 1146. I tried re-caulking the screw heads
> but that didn't help. Santa got me a new fixture but I haven't installed
> it yet, once I do and we go through some precipitation events, I'll let
> you know if there is any improvement. In the meantime, I kept antifreeze
> in the well over the winter.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: P & B Sheerin <sheerinp at bigpond.net.au>
> To: C320-List <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Mon, Mar 21, 2011 1:35 am
> Subject: [C320-list] Leaking emergency rudder deck plate.
>
>
> Does anyone experience this with their boat. We have continual water
> ingress
> into the emergency tiller well. It appears to be somehow getting through
> the
> deck plate. I've replaced the rubber sealer and also the handle o rings.
> Also
> tried different profile rubber sealer (square and round) To no avail. Does
> anyone have the answer?
> Peter "Jaraman" 1096.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:41:32 -0400
> From: Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Battery Bank Upgrade - Which starting
> battery??
> Message-ID: <BAY156-ds1328084F74907296ED6DD2BEB50 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Alan, the fuse I installed with my battery upgrade is 150A on the
> recommendation of my technical advisor (thanks, Jeff.) The 80A fuse on
> the
> engine, I mentioned earlier, is in the glow plug circuit (I think.) In
> the
> Perkins Shop Manual, the 540A under load is the max design spec for the
> starter. In normal operation, it wouldn't/shouldn't get anywhere near
> that.
>
> I recently saw the in-line fuse holder you mention. First online
> somewhere
> online then ran across it in WM. Really a simple way to fuse the battery
> without separate mount and extra wires.
>
> And, yes, GenuineDealz.com is a great resource. I had them make all my new
> cables at a fraction of the cost of having them done locally; and,
> turnaround is fast. They are very accommodating and quick to reply. I
> highly recommend them. Since then, I went in with two other owners and
> bought a hydraulic crimper for about $60 at HarborFreight.com It's quite
> easy to use and does a great job. It makes properly sizing cable length a
> snap. I also bought a ratcheting crimper at HF for the small connectors.
> I'm now self-sufficient for making all onboard connections.
>
> Warren & Pattie Updike
> 1994 C320 #62 "Warr De Mar"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Goodman [mailto:goodmanalanlee at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 3:55 PM
> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Battery Bank Upgrade - Which starting battery??
>
>
>
> Karl and Warren: Thank you for the advice. It seemed that 500+ amps was
> excessive, maybe I am reading the Perkins shop book incorrectly (Warren,
> see
> Electrical Section VI, the table titled "Starter Motor Specifications"
> which
> I think says "60 amps or less non-loading" and "540 amps or less loading".
> I assume un-loading is just cranking the starter and loading is starter
> and
> engine?). Anyway, you both recommend 300 amps or less, so I'll go with
> that
> recommendation. Warren, next time you are at your boat, would you please
> check the rating of the fuse you have installed. Karl, I saw the 'post
> mounted fuse' in the Blue Sea catalog and thought "way cool !!". But I
> needed to extend the length of my "+" cable going to the new start battery
> location, so using the in-line fuse holder as a 'junction' allowed me to
> easily add 12 inches length to the cable (I had "Genuine Dealz" make me
> the
> cable with the terminals and shrink tube all fabricated ... excellent
> place
> to by electrical stuff). About 40 days to go until launch !!!!! Alan;
> Hull #67; Holland MI
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:55:35 -0400
> From: Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] throttle walk
> Message-ID: <BAY156-ds187295497941DF2DA7DD23BEB50 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> John, the proper fix is to remove the compass and you'll find a hex-head
> screw that bears on the shaft of the throttle lever. Simply tighten until
> the throttle movement is stiff. Since we should be going into the binnacle
> on a regular basis (I do mine about every other year,) to perform the
> recommended Edson maintenance, a regular adjustment of the throttle
> tension
> shouldn't be an effort. Every other year, I remove the cover in the aft
> cabin to lube and adjust the cables. EdsonMarine.com has maintenance info
> online. I would strongly advise against a cable clamp near the engine.
> As a new owner, you'll find this list an indispensible resource in keeping
> your "new" 320 in good shape. Someone is always lurking who has
> encountered
> your issue.
>
> Warren & Pattie Updike
> 1994 C320 #62 "Warr De Mar"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Scott [mailto:jcscott at cpsc.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 10:41 PM
> To: C320-list at catalina320.com
> Cc: John Scott
> Subject: [C320-list] throttle walk
>
> I just had a recent survey on my "new" 1993 320. The surveyor
> reported that she had "throttle walk". That is, the throttle wanted
> to seek low speed and walked its way from full on to a lower speed
> without holding where it was set. Has anyone had this problem? The
> surveyor said that I should install a "cable drag clamp" on the
> throttle cable. I've checked online and can't find this part. Nor
> can I find any reference to it. Any ideas? Thanks, in advance, for
> your help.
>
> John Scott
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:56:18 -0500
> From: "John Frost" <john at frostnet.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Washdown Pump
> Message-ID: <013e01cbe7cf$c44565c0$4cd03140$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Excellent. I just ordered it.
>
> ....Now...if Amazon would just install...
>
> Happy Sailing!
>
> John
> 2007 C320MKII
> Hull 1118
> Guntersville, AL
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Karl
> Mielenhausen _/)
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 7:54 AM
> To: C320IA Discussion List
> Subject: [C320-list] Washdown Pump
>
> Thinking of adding anchor washdown this Spring??
> Check out this deal...
> http://www.amazon.com/Jabsco-31700-0092-Washdown-4-3-GPM-12-Volt/dp/B000O8D5
> N2/?m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=dealnewscom
>
> --
> Karl
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 07:15:27 -0700
> From: David Swanson <kswanson123 at comcast.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] racor primary fuel filter
> Message-ID: <4234AD4F-B263-4270-BB66-CD3213E8C3A0 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I just changed my fuel filters and bled my fuel system of air yesterday.
>
> Im not sure what the plastic screw is, I was wondering the same thing...
> The bolt is the bleed vent.
>
> I replaced my filter with the Racor R20U filter. This is also a 10 micron
> filter. My boat came with a 10 micron filter as well.
>
> The mechanic at the local Yanmar distributor said that given the small
> fuel usages rates of these small sailboat engines, you could use a primary
> filter down to the 2 micron size, although it would be overkill since the
> engine mounted secondary fuel filter is 2 microns.
>
> Anyway, I just changed mine, bled the air from the system using the Racor
> filter housing hand operated fueld priming pump, and all is well now.
>
> Dave
>
> David Swanson
> S/V Emily Ann
> 2007 C320 MK II, No. 1107
> Mukilteo, WA
>
> On Mar 20, 2011, at 1:45 PM, jim brown wrote:
>
>> What is the nylon slotted screw on the top of the fuel filter housing
>> for? I
>> can't remember whether this is the bleed screw or the bolt is the bleed
>> vent.
>> Also, Yanmar recommends that the primary filter be 30 u but mine boat
>> came with
>> a 10 u filter. No problems with the 10 but just curious since the fuel
>> rate is
>> listed a different in the Racor informtion.
>>
>>
>> Jim Brown
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>
> David Swanson
> kswanson123 at comcast.net
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:25:27 +0000 (UTC)
> From: hcreech at comcast.net
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] racor primary fuel filter
> Message-ID:
> <1094306258.1364020.1300717527175.JavaMail.root at sz0074a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> David,
> The nylon screw is a manual hand pump. If you get an air lock from the
> tank to the filter this pump will "break" the lock.
>
>
> Herb Creech
> Cloud Chaser 606
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Swanson" <kswanson123 at comcast.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 10:15:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] racor primary fuel filter
>
> I just changed my fuel filters and bled my fuel system of air yesterday.
>
> Im not sure what the plastic screw is, I was wondering the same thing...
> The bolt is the bleed vent.
>
> I replaced my filter with the Racor R20U filter. This is also a 10 micron
> filter. My boat came with a 10 micron filter as well.
>
> The mechanic at the local Yanmar distributor said that given the small
> fuel usages rates of these small sailboat engines, you could use a primary
> filter down to the 2 micron size, although it would be overkill since the
> engine mounted secondary fuel filter is 2 microns.
>
> Anyway, I just changed mine, bled the air from the system using the Racor
> filter housing hand operated fueld priming pump, and all is well now.
>
> Dave
>
> David Swanson
> S/V Emily Ann
> 2007 C320 MK II, No. 1107
> Mukilteo, WA
>
> On Mar 20, 2011, at 1:45 PM, jim brown wrote:
>
>> What is the nylon slotted screw on the top of the fuel filter housing
>> for? I
>> can't remember whether this is the bleed screw or the bolt is the bleed
>> vent.
>> Also, Yanmar recommends that the primary filter be 30 u but mine boat
>> came with
>> a 10 u filter. No problems with the 10 but just curious since the fuel
>> rate is
>> listed a different in the Racor informtion.
>>
>>
>> Jim Brown
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>
> David Swanson
> kswanson123 at comcast.net
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 07:29:51 -0700
> From: David Swanson <kswanson123 at comcast.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] racor primary fuel filter
> Message-ID: <AD9E38A1-CF12-452D-846B-7F6E18487BF8 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Yea I know. The hand pump is the one with the knurled plastic knob.
> However, there is another recessed nylon screw next to the hand pump.
> That is the one that I am not sure what it does. I was guessing that this
> is the one Jim Brown was also asking about.
>
> Dave
>
> David Swanson
> S/V Emily Ann
> 2007 C320 MK II, No. 1107
> Mukilteo, WA
>
>
> On Mar 21, 2011, at 7:25 AM, hcreech at comcast.net wrote:
>
>> David,
>> The nylon screw is a manual hand pump. If you get an air lock from the
>> tank to the filter this pump will "break" the lock.
>>
>>
>> Herb Creech
>> Cloud Chaser 606
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Swanson" <kswanson123 at comcast.net>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 10:15:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] racor primary fuel filter
>>
>> I just changed my fuel filters and bled my fuel system of air yesterday.
>>
>> Im not sure what the plastic screw is, I was wondering the same thing...
>> The bolt is the bleed vent.
>>
>> I replaced my filter with the Racor R20U filter. This is also a 10 micron
>> filter. My boat came with a 10 micron filter as well.
>>
>> The mechanic at the local Yanmar distributor said that given the small
>> fuel usages rates of these small sailboat engines, you could use a
>> primary filter down to the 2 micron size, although it would be overkill
>> since the engine mounted secondary fuel filter is 2 microns.
>>
>> Anyway, I just changed mine, bled the air from the system using the Racor
>> filter housing hand operated fueld priming pump, and all is well now.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> David Swanson
>> S/V Emily Ann
>> 2007 C320 MK II, No. 1107
>> Mukilteo, WA
>>
>> On Mar 20, 2011, at 1:45 PM, jim brown wrote:
>>
>>> What is the nylon slotted screw on the top of the fuel filter housing
>>> for? I
>>> can't remember whether this is the bleed screw or the bolt is the bleed
>>> vent.
>>> Also, Yanmar recommends that the primary filter be 30 u but mine boat
>>> came with
>>> a 10 u filter. No problems with the 10 but just curious since the fuel
>>> rate is
>>> listed a different in the Racor informtion.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Brown
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> David Swanson
>> kswanson123 at comcast.net
>>
>>
>>
>
> David Swanson
> kswanson123 at comcast.net
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:43:10 -0700 (PDT)
> From: jim brown <jbrown5093 at yahoo.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] racor primary fuel filter
> Message-ID: <671719.66420.qm at web58603.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> It was. Also is there a gasket in the secondary fuel filter and if so
> should it
> be replaced each time? It does not come with the filter. I suspect it has
> a
> separate part number.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David Swanson <kswanson123 at comcast.net>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Sent: Mon, March 21, 2011 10:29:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] racor primary fuel filter
>
> Yea I know. The hand pump is the one with the knurled plastic knob.
> However,
> there is another recessed nylon screw next to the hand pump. That is the
> one
> that I am not sure what it does. I was guessing that this is the one Jim
> Brown
> was also asking about.
>
>
> Dave
>
> David Swanson
> S/V Emily Ann
> 2007 C320 MK II, No. 1107
> Mukilteo, WA
>
>
> On Mar 21, 2011, at 7:25 AM, hcreech at comcast.net wrote:
>
>> David,
>> The nylon screw is a manual hand pump. If you get an air lock from the
>> tank to
>>the filter this pump will "break" the lock.
>>
>>
>>
>> Herb Creech
>> Cloud Chaser 606
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Swanson" <kswanson123 at comcast.net>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 10:15:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] racor primary fuel filter
>>
>> I just changed my fuel filters and bled my fuel system of air yesterday.
>>
>> Im not sure what the plastic screw is, I was wondering the same thing...
>> The
>>bolt is the bleed vent.
>>
>>
>> I replaced my filter with the Racor R20U filter. This is also a 10 micron
>>filter. My boat came with a 10 micron filter as well.
>>
>>
>> The mechanic at the local Yanmar distributor said that given the small
>> fuel
>>usages rates of these small sailboat engines, you could use a primary
>>filter
>>down to the 2 micron size, although it would be overkill since the engine
>>mounted secondary fuel filter is 2 microns.
>>
>>
>> Anyway, I just changed mine, bled the air from the system using the Racor
>>filter housing hand operated fueld priming pump, and all is well now.
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> David Swanson
>> S/V Emily Ann
>> 2007 C320 MK II, No. 1107
>> Mukilteo, WA
>>
>> On Mar 20, 2011, at 1:45 PM, jim brown wrote:
>>
>>> What is the nylon slotted screw on the top of the fuel filter housing
>>> for? I
>>> can't remember whether this is the bleed screw or the bolt is the bleed
>>> vent.
>
>>> Also, Yanmar recommends that the primary filter be 30 u but mine boat
>>> came with
>>>
>>> a 10 u filter. No problems with the 10 but just curious since the fuel
>>> rate is
>>
>>> listed a different in the Racor informtion.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Brown
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> David Swanson
>> kswanson123 at comcast.net
>>
>>
>>
>
> David Swanson
> kswanson123 at comcast.net
>
>
>
>
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