[C320-list] Battery Charger Wire Size

[Welch, Myron D]

Karl and Jon,

I did contact the Blue Seas engineers and yes, that is an older model terminal fuse block on their website. They say they're going to updat the website. Also, when I pressed the issue of the fiber washer, they told me that the new terminal stud is insulated from the block and it longer needs the fiber washer. The stud now accepts 5/16 ring lugs which would provide a better fit.

Thanks for your help.

Myron Welch
Wind Instrument, #238 
Iowa City, Iowa
Edward C. Grace Memorial Harbor
Elk Rapids, Michigan

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On Aug 13, 2012, at 6:53 AM, "Jon Vez" <jonvez at comcast.net> wrote:

> Myron,
> 
> I believe those fiber washers are from an older design and they have never
> updated their website to reflect this. The newer mbrf's come with SS
> washers...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Welch, Myron D
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 10:41 PM
> To: <C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Battery Charger Wire Size
> 
> Karl,
> 
> Thanks for the link to the Blue Seas site which has a lot of useful
> information. I do use one ring per MRBF, but what I found interesting on
> their "caution" page was the fiber washer. My terminal blocks did not come
> with them and I have contacted Blue Seas for replacements. 
> 
> Myron
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Aug 12, 2012, at 8:32 PM, "Karl Mielenhausen" <kmielen at suddenlink.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> Remember the cautions when using the MRBF as shown in this document...
>> http://bluesea.com/viewresource/640
>> ONLY ONE ring terminal allowed per fuse. That's why you will need more 
>> then one. Of course that allows you the option to fine-tune the fuse 
>> sizes.
>> 
>> Karl
>> 
>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 7:36 PM, Welch, Myron D <myron-welch at uiowa.edu>
> wrote:
>>> Karl,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the suggestions. The MRBF terminal fuses started out as a way
> to finally fuse my charger, something that has been on my "list" for several
> years. As I make the changes and upgrades to install the start battery, I am
> putting them on the alternator to house battery wire, both battery
> connections from the ACR, and other places I find that need protection. Yes,
> our factory wiring does seem incomplete. I'm pleased that so many on this
> list are available to help.
>>> 
>>> Myron
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2012, at 7:16 PM, "Karl Mielenhausen" <kmielen at suddenlink.net>
> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Each lead from my Xantrex charger is fused at the battery end with a 
>>>> 20A Gould TRM20 inline fuse. According to the literature, they have 
>>>> a 200% rating time delay of 12 seconds.
>>>> That seems appropriate as the wire should only see the max output of 
>>>> the charger TO the batteries, 20A. If the charger fails and somehow 
>>>> creates a dead short, the 20A fuse will eventually open under the 
>>>> massive current flowing FROM the batteries.Hopefully before the fire 
>>>> starts.
>>>> 
>>>> I assume your installation of the MRBF (Marine Rated Battery Fuse) 
>>>> Terminal Fuse is to provide circuit protection for the entire DC 
>>>> system, not just the battery. I am planning to do the same as this 
>>>> seems to be a weakness in our installations as well as most boats.
>>>> Since you are protecting the entire DC side from excessive current 
>>>> flow, you will need to estimate the max DC load coming from the 
>>>> batteries under normal conditions (is it at starting?) and figure 
>>>> out how long that load will exist (ie. can I use a fuse with some 
>>>> time-delay characteristics?).
>>>> I looked at this some time ago and concluded that I would need a 
>>>> 150A fuse to avoid tripping with the starting current on top of the 
>>>> other loads at the time of starting. Anyone else looked into this 
>>>> and have a different answer?
>>>> 
>>>> Karl
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:25 PM, JJ Morrison <sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have used 4AWG on my Zantrex True Charge 2 and at 40amp I fused it to
> 50amp which is what the Zantrex folks advise. I also used the MBTF fuses
> which makes a really neat job; no requirement to cut wire.
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> JohnM
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 07:10:52 -0400
>>>>>> From: kmielen at suddenlink.net
>>>>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Battery Charger Wire Size
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 4 AWG wire on my 2000 model. Not sure on fuse size... why not 20A 
>>>>>> if that is the max output of your charger?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:01 AM, Dick Walker <dickwalker at att.net>
> wrote:
>>>>>>> I suggest you put the start battery on #1 and the two batteries on
> #2. Easy to remember.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dick Walker
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2012, at 8:36 PM, "Welch, Myron D" <myron-welch at uiowa.edu>
> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am about to begin installation of a dedicated start battery and
> parallel my two 4Ds as the house battery.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I will be changing and installing several new cables and have a
> question about the wire running from the charger to the house battery. I
> have a 1995 model with a Xantrex 20 amp charger mounted on the forward
> bulkhead of the port locker. It has a #10 wires to the battery which I
> believe is considerably undersized. I believe Catalina changed this wire
> size on later models. For those of you with newer boats, what size wire is
> used?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Also, there were no fuses from the charger to the battery. I have
> now added MRBF fuses. What size fuse should I use?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Myron Welch
>>>>>>>> Wind Instrument, #238
>>>>>>>> Iowa City, Iowa
>>>>>>>> Edward C. Grace Memorial Harbor
>>>>>>>> Elk Rapids, Michigan
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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