[C320-list] Replacement sails and other upgrades

[Bruce Heyman]

Irv,
Thanks!  That makes total sense.  With the blocks it always seems like I'm making too many adjustments.
Bruce

Bruce Heyman
949 289-8400

Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com> wrote:

>The fixed "pennant" I really meant the Dutchman "A" systen where the
>dutchman line positions are fixed and it attaches to the topping lift.
>The topping lift  is tightened when ready to drop the sail and loosened
>about 6 inches when sailing.with the loose foot on the sail
>We have not cut slits in our sail cover yet and so we lower the topping
>lift so that the sail cover can go on with the Dutchman lines eased under
>the sail cover.
>Sorry for the misleading remark
>Irv Grunes
>2001 #851
>
>
>
>On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 11:16 PM, Bruce Heyman <bruceheyman at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Irv,
>> With a fixed pennant how do you use it as a topping lift?  Or lower it to
>> replace the dutchman lines?
>> Bruce
>> Somerset
>>
>> Bruce Heyman
>> 949 289-8400
>>
>> Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Alan,
>> >We had a new sail by UK Halsey in Annapolis
>> >His recommendation was to use a three line Dutchman and use a fixed
>> >Dutchman pennant rather than the the pulley system.
>> >I can assure you that it is a pleasure because it really controls the sail
>> >extremely well when dropping it.
>> >
>> >And he used just slits in the sail reinforced with webbing for the
>> Dutchman
>> >holes in the sail instead of the plastic discs.
>> >And we bought a full batten and loose foot as well.
>> >He also recommended the plastic sail track but since our boat is in a
>> >partnership, we did not go for the extra $1000. the track would cost, but
>> >it sure works well where we have seen it.
>> >Irv Grunes
>> >2001 #851
>> >
>> >On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Alan Goodman <goodmanalanlee at hotmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Irv - now that you mention it (it never crossed my mind) on would think
>> a
>> >> three line Dutchman would handle the sail better when flaking.  I have
>> seen
>> >> three lines on C42s but does anyone actually have three lines on a C320?
>> >>  Would that raise the price to $750 for installing the plastic disks ...
>> >>  ouch.    Alan Hull 67 Holland MI
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Message: 4
>> >> > Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:02:09 -0500
>> >> > From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
>> >> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
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>> >> > Alan
>> >> > If going new, I suggest 3 line Dutchman and loose footed main.
>> >> > Irv Grunes
>> >> > #851
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Alan Goodman <
>> >> goodmanalanlee at hotmail.com>wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I have the original sails (hull 67 1994) and while I considered
>> moving
>> >> to
>> >> > > a bigger boat (C400), I decided to keep the C320.  So now I am
>> going to
>> >> > > have to make the expense (is anything spent on a boat ever an
>> >> investment?)
>> >> > > for several upgrades.  I would appreciate your feedback as to how to
>> >> go and
>> >> > > what you may have paid for a similar upgrade.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I almost pulled the trigger earlier this month while Catalina Direct
>> >> had a
>> >> > > 15% off discount on sails, but with only a day left before the sale
>> >> expired
>> >> > > I felt rushed and did not order them.  CD sells Ullman sails from a
>> >> Ventura
>> >> > > CA loft.  I am a Great Lakes cruiser (similar to coastal ocean
>> >> conditions),
>> >> > > so I am interested in Dacron, about 7.0 oz.  I currently have full
>> >> battens
>> >> > > and a bolt rope foot.  I also have the Dutchman flaking system, and
>> CD
>> >> > > wanted $500 extra to install the plastic disks/grommets in the sail.
>> >>  That
>> >> > > seemed a bit excessive to me.  Most likely I will be moving to a
>> bigger
>> >> > > boat in about 4 years (full retirement afloat), if that affects your
>> >> > > recommendations.  Do any of the racers on the forum have gently used
>> >> Dacron
>> >> > > sails they might wish to part with?  Does anyone single hand a slab
>> >> flaked
>> >> > > main without a Dutchman or Lazy jacks?   The head sail seems to me
>> to
>> >> be an
>> >> > > easier choice (less decisions).  Same fabric weight as the main,
>> foam
>> >> luff,
>> >> > > leach and foot cords, etc.  I am looking for thoughts based upon
>> value
>> >> ...
>> >> > > i.e. price to performance.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I also am going to have new interior cushions made for the salon.
>>  Any
>> >> > > recommendations as to foam density, foam thickness, other issues I
>> may
>> >> not
>> >> > > be thinking about?  My OEM settee and dinette cushions extend beyond
>> >> the
>> >> > > leading edge (i.e. overhang) of the fiberglass bench structure but
>> do
>> >> not
>> >> > > provide any support.  The edge of these cushions simply roll down
>> >> behind my
>> >> > > calves and are uncomfortable.  Anyone have new cushions made that
>> are
>> >> flush
>> >> > > with the leading edge of the fiberglass bench structure?  Any
>> thoughts
>> >> > > about why it might be a good or bad idea?  Also, anyone have any
>> price
>> >> > > information as to what I should expect to pay (I'll be taking the
>> >> existing
>> >> > > cushions around for quotes right after the new year).
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Lastly, I bought a tufted topper for the aft berth cushions but
>> still
>> >> > > don't find the sleeping conditions comfortable.  So I will
>> definitely
>> >> be
>> >> > > purchasing a mattress.  Options are foam or coil spring (I also
>> tried a
>> >> > > Coleman air mattress, but it felt way too cold in the early spring
>> and
>> >> late
>> >> > > fall).  Again, any advice thoughts appreciated.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > That probably exhausts my boat budget for the upcoming year  ...
>>  air
>> >> > > conditioning and a below deck autopilot are in my dreams.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
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