[C320-list] Dry Aqualift Muffler
Arthur Miller
millers1 at aol.com
Tue Nov 12 17:22:54 PST 2013
Warren, good info. and photo's. The Vetus looks quite a bit less volume than the factory muffler.
The fact that it has worked for 7 years is a good proof test of the installation. I believe the muffler volume is sized to accept all the exhaust hose volume draining into it when the engine is shut off to avoid back flooding the engine. I will check with Vetus.. It looks like a nice solution.
Thanks,
Art. #680
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 12, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hokay, I have just posted the picture of the Vetus LP Waterlock aqua muffler
> on Beach House, hull #4, residing in the Annapolis area. He has had some
> difficulty posting on this list so I told him I'd do it for him. Here is
> the link: http://goo.gl/cBBNQT.
>
> He has had it about 7 years and is happy with it. Go to the Vetus web site:
> http://www.vetusmarine.com/store/c/350-Type-LP.aspx, for more information.
> It looks like the different LP models vary only by the hose size. Google
> "vetus Waterlock LP" for online dealers - there are many, several of which
> I've used with satisfaction.
>
> If you want to contact the owner directly, e-mail me off list and I'll
> forward your message to him.
>
> Warren & Pattie Updike
> 1994 C320 #62 "Warr De Mar"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arthur Miller [mailto:millers1 at aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:55 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Cc: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry Aqualift Muffler
>
> Warren, any info on a replacement Vetus for the factory supplied/built
> muffler would be a big help. I Have had to significantly glass mine and do
> not want to replace it with another questionable factory made unit.
> Thanks,
> Art. Hull 680
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Nov 11, 2013, at 5:55 PM, Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I believe there is an owner of an early model 320 that did use a Vetus
>> product. I might even be able to contact him. I believe he is in the
>> Annapolis area.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: William Ott [mailto:wmo48 at yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:19 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry Aqualift Muffler
>>
>> I have hull #508 so there maybe obvious differences between our boats
>> besides two different engines. The muffler you describe sounds like
>> my design and if so there is nothing out there from a commercial
>> supplier, like Vetus, to solve your problem.
>> Pull the muffler and re glass is what I did. No problems since.
>> Mike Ott
>> 'Amanda Lu'
>> #508
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:08 PM, "WINDER & KIRONDE"
>>> <wcwinder at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have recently taken my aqualift muffler out as it was leaking water.
>>> I believe the previous owner did not drain it before the New England
>>> winter so it developed some cracks and when I cranked the engine to
>>> 2500 RPMs the exhaust pressure was forcing water out and into the
>>> bilge.
>>>
>>> The operation of the muffler box is fairly simple. Sea or raw water
>>> is introduced to the exhaust at the rear end of the manifold just
>>> before the muffler, so there is a large amount of "dirty" exhaust
>>> mixed with sea water entering the muffler box under quite a bit of
>>> pressure. Although the outlet comes off the top of the muffler box
>>> that exit pipe extends down close to the bottom of the box, so the
>>> exhaust pressure very quickly forces the water out of the box up
>>> through the pipe along with the gases. Unless you are excessively
>>> cranking the engine without starting there should only be a small
>>> amount of water in the box.
>>>
>>> Has anyone here used a different muffler box such as Vetus? Is there
>>> one that fits? My C320 is a 1994 with a Perkins M30, 29hp engine.
>>>
>>> Bill Winder
>>> C320 #0097
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> 1. Re: Dry aqua muffler (JJ Morrison) 2. Quantum Sail Pack and
>>> Strong Track/slide system (Don Johnson) 3. Re: Quantum Sail Pack and
>>> Strong Track/slide system
>>> (Irving Grunes)
>>> 4. Re: Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide system
>>> (Allan S Field)
>>> 5. Re: Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide system (John
>>> Meyers)
>>> 6. Re: Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide system (Chris
>>> Burti)
>>> 7. Re: Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide system (Roland
>>> Ross)
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>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 20:01:28 +0000
>>> From: JJ Morrison <sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
>>> To: Catalina List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry aqua muffler
>>> Message-ID: <BAY172-W2213EBE3A3DB11D724E28AE9F30 at phx.gbl>
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>>>
>>> I removed the water lift on my boat as I thought it was leaking
>>> around the screws which attach it to the platform. It wasn't leaking
>>> but rather was a pesky coolant hose which I later discovered. When I
>>> took the muffler out there was very little water in it. While I had
>>> the muffler out I serviced the drain cock and it now opens and closes
>>> easily. I rarely get more than a half cup out of it. I too would like
>>> to see how these fibreglas lift pots are made?CheersJohnM1999 #574
>>>
>>>> From: wupdike at hotmail.com
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:18:03 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry aqua muffler
>>>>
>>>> I don't know the internal design. I presume it is a baffled box of
>>>> some sort. Others have removed it in order to fix a leak and
>>> returned
>>>> it to service. Some have returned it to Catalina who made a new one
>>> as
>>>> they are apparently custom made for the available space. As long as
>>>> ours is working it's not high enough on the project list to deal
>>> with.
>>>> I've often thought if I had to take it out, I'd replace it with a
>>>> stock unit like the Vetus Waterlock series. Check Vetus out on the
>>>> web. Perhaps there is someone on this list with a production
>>> muffler/waterlock?
>>>>
>>>> Warren & Pattie Updike
>>>> 1994 C320 #62 "Warr De Mar"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----Original Message-----
>>>> From: GREG SUTTON [mailto:sutt47 at msn.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 6:48 PM
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry aqua muffler
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Warren, I have tried all those fixes on my boat also with no
>>> success.
>>>>
>>>> I was concerned that part of the muffler is plugged so it's not
>>>> allowing a free flow of water through out it. I am hoping that
>>>> someone would respond with a cross section or a description of how
>>> the
>>>> muffler works to add in the problem's diagnosis. If I make the
>>> effort
>>>> to remove it, can I get it apart or is it sealed?
>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>>> From: wupdike at hotmail.com
>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:19:44 -0500
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry aqua muffler
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg, we also have a 1994, and experience the same condition. I
>>>>> have removed the petcock from the muffler and probed inside with a
>>> coat hanger:
>>>>> nothing. I have opened the petcock while the engine is running:
>>>>> still no indication of expected water or pressure. Last year, I
>>>>> replaced the petcock. It is a standard automotive type. No change.
>>>
>>>>> I am stumped why this would be so. Perhaps someone else on the
>>> list knows.
>>>>> The only issue that concerns me is that if the engine is cranked
>>>>> excessively, you are supposed to drain the muffler. It seems this
>>>
>>>>> can't be done on our boats. I am careful to not crank the engine
>>> too much.
>>>>> Warren & Pattie Updike
>>>>> 1994 C320 #62 "Warr De Mar"
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: GREG SUTTON [mailto:sutt47 at msn.com]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2013 9:44 PM
>>>>> To: C320 Int. Association
>>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Dry aqua muffler
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a 1994 C320 with the Perkins M30 engine. It's my second
>>> year
>>>>> with the boat and during the last two winterization I have opened
>>>>> the aqua muffler drain however nothing has ever drained out. Even
>>>
>>>>> during operation there hasn't been any water coming from the drain
>>>
>>>>> even though the engine runs at the proper temp and there is always
>>> a
>>>>> good flow of water from the exhaust. Not being familiar with the
>>>>> muffler
>>>> system, is this typical?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Greg Sutton
>>>>> Liberty
>>>>> #128
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 14:09:48 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: Don Johnson <donjohn64 at att.net>
>>> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide system
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <1383862188.52208.YahooMailNeo at web181304.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>>
>>> I'm looking at adding a Quantum Sails "Sail Pack" (not sure of their
>>> name for it) to the boom, and a Strong Track/slide system to the mast
>>> in order to be better able to raise/lower the main for single
>>> handling the boat.? I have talked to a few people in the Long Beach
>>> marinas, but I am wondering if any of you have added either or both
>>> to your 320, and how do you like them. I would appreciate any
>>> feedback on this.? Thanks much.
>>> ?
>>> Don Johnson
>>> #53
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 21:44:53 -0500
>>> From: Irving Grunes <igrunes at gmail.com>
>>> To: "C320-List at catalina320.com" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide
>>> system
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> <CAE+H+CJty+Zx9LZrdLOoc2PeZy6TQcFudG-TF-QiUHB9VvE6HQ at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> When we got our new mainsail from Scott Allen (Formerly UK Sails) in
>>> Annapolis he suggested and we bought a three line dutchman system and
>>> that works perfectly.
>>> He also suggested the Tides slide, which we did not buy, but it is a
>>> wonderful system that will never hang up on the gate9There is none)
>>> Irv Grunes
>>> 2001#851
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Don Johnson <donjohn64 at att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking at adding a Quantum Sails "Sail Pack" (not sure of their
>>>
>>>> name for it) to the boom, and a Strong Track/slide system to the
>>> mast
>>>> in order to be better able to raise/lower the main for single
>>> handling
>>>> the boat. I have talked to a few people in the Long Beach marinas,
>>>> but I am wondering if any of you have added either or both to your
>>>> 320, and how do you like them. I would appreciate any feedback on
>>> this. Thanks much.
>>>>
>>>> Don Johnson
>>>> #53
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2013 07:58:45 -0500
>>> From: "Allan S Field" <allan.field at verizon.net>
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide
>>> system
>>> Message-ID: <002b01cedc82$42cddd10$c8699730$@verizon.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>>
>>> I did purchase the Strong system about 10 years ago. It made little
>>> difference in hoisting the sail. I believe that the problem that
>>> remains is that the main halyard does not have a straight line from
>>> the base of the mast through the rope clutch and back to the winch.
>>> There is too much friction still as the halyard enters the side of
>>> the rope clutch versus coming through in a straight line. But if one
>>> hoists the main from the mast, a child can do so as my grandson at 8
>>> years old was able to do so without needing the winch. He cannot get
>>> the main up at all from the cockpit though. I would not recommend
>>> purchasing this system for a C320 and not because the system is at
>>> fault but rather the halyard does not have a fair lead back to the
>>> cockpit. That said, it you or crew are OK going up on deck to hoist
>>> the main, go for it!
>>>
>>> Allan S. Field
>>> Sea Shadow - #808
>>> Columbia, MD
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Irving
>>> Grunes
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 9:45 PM
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide
>>> system
>>>
>>> When we got our new mainsail from Scott Allen (Formerly UK Sails) in
>>> Annapolis he suggested and we bought a three line dutchman system and
>>> that works perfectly.
>>> He also suggested the Tides slide, which we did not buy, but it is a
>>> wonderful system that will never hang up on the gate9There is none)
>>> Irv Grunes
>>> 2001#851
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Don Johnson <donjohn64 at att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking at adding a Quantum Sails "Sail Pack" (not sure of their
>>>
>>>> name for it) to the boom, and a Strong Track/slide system to the
>>> mast
>>>> in order to be better able to raise/lower the main for single
>>> handling
>>>> the boat. I have talked to a few people in the Long Beach marinas,
>>>> but I am wondering if any of you have added either or both to your
>>>> 320, and how do you like them. I would appreciate any feedback on
>>> this.
>>> Thanks much.
>>>>
>>>> Don Johnson
>>>> #53
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 08:24:47 -0500
>>> From: John Meyers <jcmeyers7 at gmail.com>
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide
>>> system
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>> <CANEXtrL1gvELuqxKMO5rPidrQw75gFhqM7H9e_WvrMTe2V+XUg at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> On my #406 1997 when hauling up the main gets harder, I spray some
>>> SailKote lubricant on the lugs from each side and as far up the luff
>>> track as I can reach. It make a wonderful difference. We typically
>>> raise the main about 40 times a season here in the Great (for
>>> sailing) Lakes and I use that SailKote about 3 time per season.
>>>
>>> John Meyers
>>> Wind Chime
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Don Johnson <donjohn64 at att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking at adding a Quantum Sails "Sail Pack" (not sure of their
>>>
>>>> name for it) to the boom, and a Strong Track/slide system to the
>>> mast
>>>> in order to be better able to raise/lower the main for single
>>> handling
>>>> the boat. I have talked to a few people in the Long Beach marinas,
>>>> but I am wondering if any of you have added either or both to your
>>>> 320, and how do you like them. I would appreciate any feedback on
>>> this. Thanks much.
>>>>
>>>> Don Johnson
>>>> #53
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 06:11:04 -0800
>>> From: Chris Burti <clburti at gmail.com>
>>> To: John Meyers <jcmeyers7 at gmail.com>, "C320-List at catalina320.com"
>>> <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide
>>> system
>>> Message-ID: <-4704841691106772069 at unknownmsgid>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>>
>>> We do this also. In addition, we thoroughly wet a cotton ball with
>>> Sailkote, stuff it in the mast slot above the headboard slide and
>>> raise the main once a year to clean the slot.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Chris Burti From: John Meyers
>>> Sent: 11/8/2013 8:24 AM
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide
>>> system On my #406 1997 when hauling up the main gets harder, I spray
>>> some SailKote lubricant on the lugs from each side and as far up the
>>> luff track as I can reach. It make a wonderful difference. We
>>> typically raise the main about 40 times a season here in the Great
>>> (for sailing) Lakes and I use that SailKote about 3 time per season.
>>>
>>> John Meyers
>>> Wind Chime
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Don Johnson <donjohn64 at att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking at adding a Quantum Sails "Sail Pack" (not sure of their
>>>
>>>> name for it) to the boom, and a Strong Track/slide system to the
>>> mast
>>>> in order to be better able to raise/lower the main for single
>>> handling
>>>> the boat. I have talked to a few people in the Long Beach marinas,
>>>> but I am wondering if any of you have added either or both to your
>>>> 320, and how do you like them. I would appreciate any feedback on
>>> this. Thanks much.
>>>>
>>>> Don Johnson
>>>> #53
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 10:12:55 -0500
>>> From: "Roland Ross" <rross at pillerross.com>
>>> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide
>>> system
>>> Message-ID: <003e01cedc95$00617d70$01247850$@com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> We purchased a "Winchrite", electric winch handle. It worked great
>>> and took all the work out of raising the main. Santa Barbara #914.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Allan S
>>> Field
>>> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 7:59 AM
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide
>>> system
>>>
>>> I did purchase the Strong system about 10 years ago. It made little
>>> difference in hoisting the sail. I believe that the problem that
>>> remains is that the main halyard does not have a straight line from
>>> the base of the mast through the rope clutch and back to the winch.
>>> There is too much friction still as the halyard enters the side of
>>> the rope clutch versus coming through in a straight line. But if one
>>> hoists the main from the mast, a child can do so as my grandson at 8
>>> years old was able to do so without needing the winch. He cannot get
>>> the main up at all from the cockpit though. I would not recommend
>>> purchasing this system for a C320 and not because the system is at
>>> fault but rather the halyard does not have a fair lead back to the
>>> cockpit. That said, it you or crew are OK going up on deck to hoist
>>> the main, go for it!
>>>
>>> Allan S. Field
>>> Sea Shadow - #808
>>> Columbia, MD
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>>> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Irving
>>> Grunes
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2013 9:45 PM
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Quantum Sail Pack and Strong Track/slide
>>> system
>>>
>>> When we got our new mainsail from Scott Allen (Formerly UK Sails) in
>>> Annapolis he suggested and we bought a three line dutchman system and
>>> that works perfectly.
>>> He also suggested the Tides slide, which we did not buy, but it is a
>>> wonderful system that will never hang up on the gate9There is none)
>>> Irv Grunes
>>> 2001#851
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Don Johnson <donjohn64 at att.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking at adding a Quantum Sails "Sail Pack" (not sure of their
>>>
>>>> name for it) to the boom, and a Strong Track/slide system to the
>>> mast
>>>> in order to be better able to raise/lower the main for single
>>> handling
>>>> the boat. I have talked to a few people in the Long Beach marinas,
>>>> but I am wondering if any of you have added either or both to your
>>>> 320, and how do you like them. I would appreciate any feedback on
>>> this.
>>> Thanks much.
>>>>
>>>> Don Johnson
>>>> #53
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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