[C320-list] bilge pumps

Tue Apr 29 16:30:41 PDT 2014

I too am having bilge pump problems, so have been following this thread with interest.  Two items:
- Have you noticed the overwhelmingly negative reviews on WestMarine.com for the Rule automatic bilge pumps with sensors?  
Constant complaints that they won't shut off and drain the battery when left in "auto" mode.  Should that give one pause before buying?
- Rule offers a bilge pump repair kit.  Has anyone had any experience servicing an installed pump, particularly replacing the impeller?
Is it worth the effort?
Bill Russell
"Little Wing," 1998 Catalina 320 #545
Ithaca, NY

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Bilge Pump (Warren Updike)
   2. Re: Winter fuel surprise (Warren Updike)
   3. Re: Power supply for AC install (Dean Vermeire)
   4. Re: Power supply for AC install (Warren Updike)
   5. Re: Power supply for AC install (Wash, Steve)
   6. Steering and lighting system (Andrew Santangelo)
   7. Re: Steering and lighting system (Karl Mielenhausen)
   8. Re: Power supply for AC install (Roland Ross)
   9. Re: Genoa Foot Blocks (Bruce Heyman)
  10. Re: Power supply for AC install (Joe Abbagnaro)
  11. Re: Steering and lighting system (Elizabeth Schwartz)
  12. Re: Steering and lighting system (Andrew Santangelo)
  13. Re: Steering and lighting system (Elizabeth Schwartz)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:52:49 -0400
From: Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bilge Pump
Message-ID: <COL129-DS13CC6CECC8F05967B0A11CBE470 at phx.gbl>
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it was my understanding that sensor switches are constantly on. That is, it is not a mechanical switch and so must be powered 24/7. Current demand by the sensor may be in the mili-amp area; but, it is still a connected load. I don't like loads that connect directly to the battery bypassing the main 12V master switch.

Warren and Pattie Updike
1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62

-----Original Message-----
From: clburti at gmail.com [mailto:clburti at gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 8:20 AM
To: 320
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Bilge Pump

Joe,

They are absolutely old tech?I replaced mine with a solid state sensor a couple of years ago and do not intended to ever buy another float switch. The wiring is in the bilge which in my view is the environmental equivalent of a urinal, so great care must be taken in sealing the connections. I wrote a description of the process that I used and posted it on this list. one of our members wrote an article for Mainsheet on installing a back up pump as well.

Fair Winds
Chris Burti
Commitment
Catalina 320, #867

From: Joseph R Aberdale
Sent: ?Saturday?, ?April? ?26?, ?2014 ?2?:?26? ?PM
To: 320

I?ve discovered that the bilge pump is fine but the float switch is faulty. It?s a part time worker depending on how you move it. Are float switches old technology? What are people using for replacements?

Thank you!

On Apr 24, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Gary Magnuson <gary.magnuson at frontier.com> wrote:

> Joe,
> Not sure I can offer any help, but is there water to pump?  I think some models have an internal sensing circuit that automatically runs the pump if there is water present.   I think I learned this the hard way and replaced a perfectly good pump.   Perhaps you can check the rule web site to see if there is a chance that it could be this type. Rule Pumps 12 Volt DC Automatic Bilge Pumps 500 GPH - 2000 GPH feature computerized operation on the principle of impeller resistance. Float switches are not required. The pump will turn on every 2-1/2 minutes to sense for water. If water is present, the pump will sense resistance and continue to run until all the water is removed. Thereafter, it will check  for water every 2-1/2 minutes.Power use in the checking mode is minimal.
> 
>  Also, they can come apart to be sure the impeller is free and not obstructed by something.  If you can pull the pump off of its base and submerge it in a bucket, to see if it runs.   Then check for voltage at the pump, and go from there.   Let us know what you find...
> Gary Magnuson
> Time A Weigh #205
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/24/2014 8:15 PM, Joseph R Aberdale wrote:
>>  Rulematic Switch CE,
>

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:57:56 -0400
From: Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Winter fuel surprise
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Bruce, I believe the problem described is particular to the earlier "shallow
bilge" design. Your's is a "deep bilge" design and as such I don't think
there is a space between the liner and hull. As I remember seeing your salon
with the deck open, the deck lies on a solid finished surface. Perhaps
someone who knows more about the "deep bilge" design will enlighten us on
the matter.

Warren and Pattie Updike
1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62

-----Original Message-----
From: B. Stumpp [mailto:bstumpp at comcast.net] 
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 10:14 AM
To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
Subject: [C320-list] Winter fuel surprise

How do you remove the cabin sole to get access to the area between the liner
and the hull?  There are gaps around the drain holes that go between the
bilge compartments on our boat.  I'd like to seal off those cracks but
wondered if there might be water between the liner and the hull and want to
first remove it before sealing.  How can I check this and drain any water
that might be there?

Bruce Stumpp

#647, Adventure

Frog Mortar Creek      

Message: 6

Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 23:22:00 -0400

From: "Rick Sulewski" <rsulewski at bex.net>

To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>

Subject: Re: [C320-list] Winter fuel surprise

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Marko,

You may want to consider removing the cabin sole and try removing the
remaining fuel that may be trapped between the liner and the hull with a
shop vac. Until you are certain that all fuel is  purged from under the
liner you may not know how much more is available to leak into the bilge
area if your bilge leaks to and from the area below the liner and bilge
liner.

I have found that both Dawn and Simple Green do a good job when cleaning up
fuel.

Rick

C320 1995 My-Ria Hull 277

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:01:22 -0500
From: Dean Vermeire <dean at vermeire.us>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Power supply for AC install
Message-ID: <535EB392.6020807 at vermeire.us>
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We have a 16K A/C unit and two 30A shore power inlets on our boat. 
However, the previous owner used a 30A splitter cable to hook up to a 
single circuit at the dock.  It regularly tripped the circuit breaker at 
the dock when the A/C was running.  I had the marina run a 2nd circuit 
for our slip.  Problem solved.

I would strongly recommend a separate circuit for the A/C.

Dean Vermeire
Moonstruck II (#847)

On 4/28/2014 1:07 PM, Alan Goodman wrote:
> Hello all:  I am self-installing my air conditioner over the next month.  I bought a 12K BTU from Flagship Marine.  I need to install a 20A 120V circuit to supply the unit.  I have found a source for the exact same breaker as the factory installed AC breakers.  I rather not have to install a second shore power circuit to supply the power, but on the other hand I'll be installing a 20A breaker in a 30A circuit.  Obviously I should not run the water heater (about 12 A @ 120V) while the AC is on.  This is a downside I can live with.  Are there other considerations I should consider?  My question is what have others done?
>
> Alan Goodman   Hull #67  Holland, Michigan
>
>                           
>

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 16:17:05 -0400
From: Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Power supply for AC install
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I don't think you have a problem. There is no problem per-se with a 20A
breaker on a 30A supply. If 12A is correct for the water heater, the A/C
should only draw 9-10A when cooling, and that is only for the initial start.
Continuous running while cooling will be less than 9A. We run our 12K unit
on the main 30A AC power supply with no problems. Admittedly, we don't often
heat water with AC.
If you have a heating coil in the unit, then the draw could be close to
18-20A. Still, I wouldn't think that is a continuous draw. Check with
Flagship as to what the constant current loads are for cooling and heating.
Then go from there. 

Warren and Pattie Updike
1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Goodman [mailto:goodmanalanlee at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 2:08 PM
To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
Subject: [C320-list] Power supply for AC install

Hello all:  I am self-installing my air conditioner over the next month.  I
bought a 12K BTU from Flagship Marine.  I need to install a 20A 120V circuit
to supply the unit.  I have found a source for the exact same breaker as the
factory installed AC breakers.  I rather not have to install a second shore
power circuit to supply the power, but on the other hand I'll be installing
a 20A breaker in a 30A circuit.  Obviously I should not run the water heater
(about 12 A @ 120V) while the AC is on.  This is a downside I can live with.
Are there other considerations I should consider?  My question is what have
others done? 

Alan Goodman   Hull #67  Holland, Michigan

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 21:13:19 +0000
From: "Wash, Steve" <wash at advantageelectronics.com>
To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Power supply for AC install
Message-ID:
    <FBB70C3ACE01844CA4F549861A09AF61BA2FE404 at AEIMBX002.Advantage.local>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi All,

We have a 16K Marine Air that we run on a single 30A circuit.
The only time we have tripped the breaker is having the microwave and the A/C going at the same time.

The controller on ours stages things up (and thus reduces the in-rush).  We run the blower at low speed continuously.  When A/C is needed the condenser pump starts, the fan ramps up and then the compressor starts.

With Lake Michigan at 40 degrees, we won't need much A/C yet.  I do believe the reverse cycle does use more current, though.

I'd try it before adding the second power service (you're at 12K vs. our 16K).

Steve

#1029
Michigan City

-----Original Message-----
From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Warren Updike
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 4:17 PM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Power supply for AC install

I don't think you have a problem. There is no problem per-se with a 20A breaker on a 30A supply. If 12A is correct for the water heater, the A/C should only draw 9-10A when cooling, and that is only for the initial start.
Continuous running while cooling will be less than 9A. We run our 12K unit on the main 30A AC power supply with no problems. Admittedly, we don't often heat water with AC.
If you have a heating coil in the unit, then the draw could be close to 18-20A. Still, I wouldn't think that is a continuous draw. Check with Flagship as to what the constant current loads are for cooling and heating.
Then go from there. 

Warren and Pattie Updike
1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Goodman [mailto:goodmanalanlee at hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 2:08 PM
To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
Subject: [C320-list] Power supply for AC install

Hello all:  I am self-installing my air conditioner over the next month.  I bought a 12K BTU from Flagship Marine.  I need to install a 20A 120V circuit to supply the unit.  I have found a source for the exact same breaker as the factory installed AC breakers.  I rather not have to install a second shore power circuit to supply the power, but on the other hand I'll be installing a 20A breaker in a 30A circuit.  Obviously I should not run the water heater (about 12 A @ 120V) while the AC is on.  This is a downside I can live with.
Are there other considerations I should consider?  My question is what have others done? 

Alan Goodman   Hull #67  Holland, Michigan

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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:39:30 -0400
From: Andrew Santangelo <andrew_santangelo at mac.com>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: [C320-list] Steering and lighting system
Message-ID: <7FF1AC6C-A239-492B-B41D-FB7508227E33 at mac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII

Ok everyone...finally a technical question from me!

(1) I have noticed the steering is a bit stiffer/tougher now.  Why?  Do I need to adjust something? More grease? Ideas?

(2) I have given up on the original lights in the main cabin and galley.  They are corroding and do not work most of the time.  I need to replace them.  My choices are:
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/1027_336/cabin-light-white-plastic-swivel-eyeball.cfm
or
http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/2043_336/cabin-light-led-white-plastic-swivel-eyeball-.cfm

I am not too worried about the power consumption.  I am worried I will find the LED option too dim.  Some models I have seen just do not impress me.

Any experience with either lighting system? Comments?

Thank-you in advance!

And yes, Dawn Treader is taking a beating right now with these strong winds.  Double lines on everything!

Andrew Santangelo

C320 "Dawn Treader"
#333
Holland, MI

J22 "Blitzkrieg"
Elephant Butte, New Mexico

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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 06:26:05 -0400
From: Karl Mielenhausen <kmielen at suddenlink.net>
To: C320IA Discussion List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Steering and lighting system
Message-ID:
    <CAFoR0_MG8tV6zqn7ff6LKtsoWPoN9TKC6POQuZNyJSNwmmtiXg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I believe a $21 premium ($44 vs. $23) is way too much to pay for an
LED array. Geez, they sell the bulb separately for $15, so what gives?
The cost of LEDs (even SMD's and CREE's) has come way down in the last year.
Do some checking on eBay.
I just ordered these...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251414664238?var=550335364709&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
for the reading lamps and I can let you know how they are.
Two years ago, I switched over to SMD arrays for the cabin general lighting.
Something like...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MR16-Pure-White-12-SMD-5050-LED-Light-Bulb-Lamp-12V-P1-/301163831525?pt=US_Light_Bulbs&hash=item461ec360e5
and they have been working very well.
For this money, you can do some experimenting!

Karl

On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Andrew Santangelo
<andrew_santangelo at mac.com> wrote:
> Ok everyone...finally a technical question from me!
>
> (1) I have noticed the steering is a bit stiffer/tougher now.  Why?  Do I need to adjust something? More grease? Ideas?
>
> (2) I have given up on the original lights in the main cabin and galley.  They are corroding and do not work most of the time.  I need to replace them.  My choices are:
> http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/1027_336/cabin-light-white-plastic-swivel-eyeball.cfm
> or
> http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/2043_336/cabin-light-led-white-plastic-swivel-eyeball-.cfm
>
> I am not too worried about the power consumption.  I am worried I will find the LED option too dim.  Some models I have seen just do not impress me.
>
> Any experience with either lighting system? Comments?
>
> Thank-you in advance!
>
> And yes, Dawn Treader is taking a beating right now with these strong winds.  Double lines on everything!
>
> Andrew Santangelo
>
> C320 "Dawn Treader"
> #333
> Holland, MI
>
> J22 "Blitzkrieg"
> Elephant Butte, New Mexico
>
>
>
>

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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 11:08:05 -0400
From: "Roland Ross" <rross at pillerross.com>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Power supply for AC install
Message-ID: <004301cf63bc$d3145400$793cfc00$@com>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="US-ASCII"

We have one shore power connector.  We do not run the water heater when the
air conditioner is on or vice versa.  Works just fine.
Roland Ross, Santa Barbara, #914, RCYC, Toronto.

-----Original Message-----
From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
[mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Alan Goodman
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 2:08 PM
To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
Subject: [C320-list] Power supply for AC install

Hello all:  I am self-installing my air conditioner over the next month.  I
bought a 12K BTU from Flagship Marine.  I need to install a 20A 120V circuit
to supply the unit.  I have found a source for the exact same breaker as the
factory installed AC breakers.  I rather not have to install a second shore
power circuit to supply the power, but on the other hand I'll be installing
a 20A breaker in a 30A circuit.  Obviously I should not run the water heater
(about 12 A @ 120V) while the AC is on.  This is a downside I can live with.
Are there other considerations I should consider?  My question is what have
others done? 

Alan Goodman   Hull #67  Holland, Michigan

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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:00:52 -0700
From: "Bruce Heyman" <bruceheyman at cox.net>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Genoa Foot Blocks
Message-ID: <002201cf63c4$364560d0$a2d02270$@cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"

Hi Denny,
That looks like the one.  However, for seven more bucks or so I got the
double.  I figured the doubles would give me options when racing and I
needed to do a peal or something similar.  Please give me a heads up if you
are down in the area.  I'm on the boat during the work week in a slip right
in front of CBYC.
Good luck,
Bruce

Bruce Heyman
(949) 289-8400
bruceheyman at cox.net

-----Original Message-----
From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
[mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of
DennyBrowne at Verizon.net
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 10:50 AM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Genoa Foot Blocks

Thanks, Bruce. I'm tempted to do just that. Do they look like this?

http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/1822/foot-blockbrc-30-c-320.
cfm

Catalina Direct says they're made by Garhauer, and I've asked Garhauer to
confirm. They look considerably stronger than the originals, which turned on
pins, not bearings. Seems kinda silly to have them shipped from Upland to
Sacramento, then to Torrance.

I didn't realize you were in San Pedro. We'll be down there for the King
Harbor to Cabrillo and Queen Mary Races this year. Would love to meet if
you're around.

Denny Browne
A Cappella #935
Redondo Beach

-----Original Message-----
From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
[mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Heyman
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 6:49 AM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Genoa Foot Blocks

Hi Denny,
Last year I drove up to Garhaur and bought a new pair of double roller
bearing sheaves.  I'm afraid I don't remember any model number. The only
thing written on them with a sharpie was 100 which is what I paid for them.
The mounting holes lined up perfectly.
Was a nice upgrade and I always enjoy looking at all the cool blocks they
have.

Bruce Heyman Somerset San Pedro (949) 289-8400

Allan S Field <allan.field at verizon.net> wrote:

>Recommend you start with Garhauer.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
>[mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Denny 
>Browne
>Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 10:55 PM
>To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>Subject: [C320-list] Genoa Foot Blocks
>
>Does anyone know the model number of the genoa sheet turning blocks? I 
>think they're Lewmar foot blocks. We smashed one of the sheaves last 
>night on the windy weather leg of our race, and I'm thinking I should 
>replace both. Ten years isn't bad for a plastic sheave unprotected from 
>the Southern California sun.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Denny Browne
>A Cappella #935
>Redondo Beach
>
>
>Sent from iPhone, sorry for typos, grammar, etc...
>

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:01:52 -0400
From: Joe Abbagnaro <jabbagna at gmail.com>
To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Power supply for AC install
Message-ID:
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Think about future re sale a good surveyor is going to see Air with no
Second feed
and look real close at how this was installed. Also if you were to have a
short or worst
yet an electrical fire your insurance is going to look closely at what
happen.
Do not give them a reason to reject a claim based on how you modified the
electrical system.
I would do the second feed and make sure it was done correctly.
Just something to think about

On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Roland Ross <rross at pillerross.com> wrote:

> We have one shore power connector.  We do not run the water heater when the
> air conditioner is on or vice versa.  Works just fine.
> Roland Ross, Santa Barbara, #914, RCYC, Toronto.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Alan Goodman
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 2:08 PM
> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Power supply for AC install
>
> Hello all:  I am self-installing my air conditioner over the next month.  I
> bought a 12K BTU from Flagship Marine.  I need to install a 20A 120V
> circuit
> to supply the unit.  I have found a source for the exact same breaker as
> the
> factory installed AC breakers.  I rather not have to install a second shore
> power circuit to supply the power, but on the other hand I'll be installing
> a 20A breaker in a 30A circuit.  Obviously I should not run the water
> heater
> (about 12 A @ 120V) while the AC is on.  This is a downside I can live
> with.
> Are there other considerations I should consider?  My question is what have
> others done?
>
> Alan Goodman   Hull #67  Holland, Michigan
>
>
>
>
>

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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:48:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Elizabeth Schwartz <schwartz781 at optonline.net>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Cc: C320IA Discussion List <C320-List at catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Steering and lighting system
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Ahoy.....while you are changing bulbs.....check the connections on the 
puck light mounts....the original installation used push on connectors 
for the wires. I pulled all of mine and soldered them, then replaced 
with led bulbs. ....Joe.....# 245
?
?
?On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 06:26 AM, Karl Mielenhausen wrote:
?
?> I believe a $21 premium ($44 vs. $23) is way too much to pay for an
> LED array. Geez, they sell the bulb separately for $15, so what gives?
> The cost of LEDs (even SMD's and CREE's) has come way down in the last 
> year.
> Do some checking on eBay.
> I just ordered these...
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251414664238?var=550335364709&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
> for the reading lamps and I can let you know how they are.
> Two years ago, I switched over to SMD arrays for the cabin general 
> lighting.
> Something like...
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MR16-Pure-White-12-SMD-5050-LED-Light-Bulb-Lamp-12V-P1-/301163831525?pt=US_Light_Bulbs&hash=item461ec360e5
> and they have been working very well.
> For this money, you can do some experimenting!
>
> Karl
>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Andrew Santangelo
>  wrote:
>> Ok everyone...finally a technical question from me!
>>
>> (1) I have noticed the steering is a bit stiffer/tougher now.  Why? 
>> Do I need to adjust something? More grease? Ideas?
>>
>> (2) I have given up on the original lights in the main cabin and 
>> galley.  They are corroding and do not work most of the time.  I need 
>> to replace them.  My choices are:
>> 
>> http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/1027_336/cabin-light-white-plastic-swivel-eyeball.cfm
>> or
>> 
>> http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/2043_336/cabin-light-led-white-plastic-swivel-eyeball-.cfm
>>
>> I am not too worried about the power consumption.  I am worried I 
>> will find the LED option too dim.  Some models I have seen just do 
>> not impress me.
>>
>> Any experience with either lighting system? Comments?
>>
>> Thank-you in advance!
>>
>> And yes, Dawn Treader is taking a beating right now with these strong 
>> winds.  Double lines on everything!
>>
>> Andrew Santangelo
>>
>> C320 "Dawn Treader"
>> #333
>> Holland, MI
>>
>> J22 "Blitzkrieg"
>> Elephant Butte, New Mexico
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:56:19 -0400
From: Andrew Santangelo <andrew_santangelo at mac.com>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Steering and lighting system
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Joe,

The wire connectors and bulb attachments have corroded.  All wires were attached. I have used Tarn-X to clean them, which has bought me time, but I am tired of dealing with it.  Basically I am looking at a new fitting.  I think either product should fit the replacement hole.

I have eyed the LED's but the samples I have seen are not as bright.

Andrew Santangelo

C320 "Dawn Treader"
#333
Holland, MI

J22 "Blitzkrieg"
Elephant Butte, New Mexico

On Apr 29, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Elizabeth Schwartz wrote:

> Ahoy.....while you are changing bulbs.....check the connections on the puck light mounts....the original installation used push on connectors for the wires. I pulled all of mine and soldered them, then replaced with led bulbs. ....Joe.....# 245
>  
>  
>  On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 06:26 AM, Karl Mielenhausen wrote:
>  
>  > I believe a $21 premium ($44 vs. $23) is way too much to pay for an
>> LED array. Geez, they sell the bulb separately for $15, so what gives?
>> The cost of LEDs (even SMD's and CREE's) has come way down in the last year.
>> Do some checking on eBay.
>> I just ordered these...
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251414664238?var=550335364709&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
>> for the reading lamps and I can let you know how they are.
>> Two years ago, I switched over to SMD arrays for the cabin general lighting.
>> Something like...
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MR16-Pure-White-12-SMD-5050-LED-Light-Bulb-Lamp-12V-P1-/301163831525?pt=US_Light_Bulbs&hash=item461ec360e5
>> and they have been working very well.
>> For this money, you can do some experimenting!
>> 
>> Karl
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Andrew Santangelo
>> wrote:
>>> Ok everyone...finally a technical question from me!
>>> 
>>> (1) I have noticed the steering is a bit stiffer/tougher now.  Why? Do I need to adjust something? More grease? Ideas?
>>> 
>>> (2) I have given up on the original lights in the main cabin and galley.  They are corroding and do not work most of the time.  I need to replace them.  My choices are:
>>> http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/1027_336/cabin-light-white-plastic-swivel-eyeball.cfm
>>> or
>>> http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/2043_336/cabin-light-led-white-plastic-swivel-eyeball-.cfm
>>> 
>>> I am not too worried about the power consumption.  I am worried I will find the LED option too dim.  Some models I have seen just do not impress me.
>>> 
>>> Any experience with either lighting system? Comments?
>>> 
>>> Thank-you in advance!
>>> 
>>> And yes, Dawn Treader is taking a beating right now with these strong winds.  Double lines on everything!
>>> 
>>> Andrew Santangelo
>>> 
>>> C320 "Dawn Treader"
>>> #333
>>> Holland, MI
>>> 
>>> J22 "Blitzkrieg"
>>> Elephant Butte, New Mexico
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 

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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 15:08:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Elizabeth Schwartz <schwartz781 at optonline.net>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Steering and lighting system
Message-ID: <46874e3a.73eee.145aee31352.Webtop.38 at optonline.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=no

Ahoy.....I?replaced a few of the lights completely with ones I got at 
west marine. They were a good fit. I only replaced them because the 
plastic trim was?broken.....Joe???
?
?On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 02:56 PM, Andrew Santangelo wrote:
?
?> Joe,
>
> The wire connectors and bulb attachments have corroded.  All wires 
> were attached. I have used Tarn-X to clean them, which has bought me 
> time, but I am tired of dealing with it.  Basically I am looking at a 
> new fitting.  I think either product should fit the replacement hole.
>
> I have eyed the LED's but the samples I have seen are not as bright.
>
> Andrew Santangelo
>
> C320 "Dawn Treader"
> #333
> Holland, MI
>
> J22 "Blitzkrieg"
> Elephant Butte, New Mexico
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 29, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Elizabeth Schwartz wrote:
>
>> Ahoy.....while you are changing bulbs.....check the connections on 
>> the puck light mounts....the original installation used push on 
>> connectors for the wires. I pulled all of mine and soldered them, 
>> then replaced with led bulbs. ....Joe.....# 245
>>    On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 06:26 AM, Karl Mielenhausen wrote:
>>
>>> I believe a $21 premium ($44 vs. $23) is way too much to pay for an
>>> LED array. Geez, they sell the bulb separately for $15, so what 
>>> gives?
>>> The cost of LEDs (even SMD's and CREE's) has come way down in the 
>>> last year.
>>> Do some checking on eBay.
>>> I just ordered these...
>>> 
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/251414664238?var=550335364709&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
>>> for the reading lamps and I can let you know how they are.
>>> Two years ago, I switched over to SMD arrays for the cabin general 
>>> lighting.
>>> Something like...
>>> 
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MR16-Pure-White-12-SMD-5050-LED-Light-Bulb-Lamp-12V-P1-/301163831525?pt=US_Light_Bulbs&hash=item461ec360e5
>>> and they have been working very well.
>>> For this money, you can do some experimenting!
>>>
>>> Karl
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Andrew Santangelo
>>> wrote:
>>>> Ok everyone...finally a technical question from me!
>>>>
>>>> (1) I have noticed the steering is a bit stiffer/tougher now.  Why? 
>>>> Do I need to adjust something? More grease? Ideas?
>>>>
>>>> (2) I have given up on the original lights in the main cabin and 
>>>> galley.  They are corroding and do not work most of the time.  I 
>>>> need to replace them.  My choices are:
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/1027_336/cabin-light-white-plastic-swivel-eyeball.cfm
>>>> or
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/2043_336/cabin-light-led-white-plastic-swivel-eyeball-.cfm
>>>>
>>>> I am not too worried about the power consumption.  I am worried I 
>>>> will find the LED option too dim.  Some models I have seen just do 
>>>> not impress me.
>>>>
>>>> Any experience with either lighting system? Comments?
>>>>
>>>> Thank-you in advance!
>>>>
>>>> And yes, Dawn Treader is taking a beating right now with these 
>>>> strong winds.  Double lines on everything!
>>>>
>>>> Andrew Santangelo
>>>>
>>>> C320 "Dawn Treader"
>>>> #333
>>>> Holland, MI
>>>>
>>>> J22 "Blitzkrieg"
>>>> Elephant Butte, New Mexico
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
>

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