[C320-list] Dry bilge?
Allan S Field
allan.field at verizon.net
Tue Nov 25 16:30:29 PST 2014
Scott - An immediate fix could be the leaking port lights. Try cleaning the
gaskets with ArmourAll cleaning wipes. The theory is that the stuff in the
wipes makes the gaskets swell. All I know is that I do this twice per year
and have never had a leak in the 13+ years we have had the boat.
Allan S. Field
Sea Shadow - #808
Columbia, MD
-----Original Message-----
From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Westwood
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 6:55 PM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
I can't thank everybody enough for all the responses. My thoughts (Since
I'm cheap) is to try the adjustment approach first. Next time we haul it
probalbly re-pack it too.
If it becomes an issue I have plenty of comments to work with.
I know I have more questions coming. We need a chart plotter, Auto Helm, I
want to re-do my pedestal(clean it up), some portals leak ever so slightly
during driving rain.... Pleasures of boat ownership.
boat was still a great price.
Thanks,
Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.net H (919)-362-8538C (919)-618-7185
--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 11/25/14, Jeff Hare <Catalina at thehares.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2014, 3:02 PM
Not that there isn't
already enough things going on in this topic...
:) My
first hand experiences
are:
PSS Shaft Seal:
I had the
older style non-vented PSS installed for 6 years. Worked fine, pretty
dry, but burping it did let a few drops dribble in. This could result in
black water carbon spray line across muffler, floor and the boards above,
so if you have a PSS, always be sure to replace the boards before revving
the prop after burping. You could (like Al Ahlman
discovered) end
up with a nice black line
across your aft cabin roof. The PSS set screws don't need much bite to
hold the SS ring in place, but would bite and hold better in Bronze than
SS if anything. Best bet is to clamp on a doughnut zinc to back up the SS
PSS Shaft ring. This is helpful for two reasons. 1) in case a set screw
doesn't grab well, the bellows can't cause the ring to creep away over
time. 2) If you need to add more pressure to the between the carbon block
and the SS ring, this will give you a nice reference point and something
solid to gently pry against when making fine adjustments to the pressure.
I also got the new vented
PSS upgrade kit shipped to me for free (but never used it). Still have it
new in the box, along with my original PSS which is still in fine shape.
SS Prop
Shaft:
Upgrading the prop shaft from Bronze
to SS is recommended when you upgrade
your
prop to a heavier folding or feathering version. Other than that, no
real need to replace the bronze with SS (especially just for a PSS). Newer
boats all have SS from the factory anyway.
The Prop shaft is easily
removed without dropping the rudder, but you have to remove the stuffing
box/PSS AND the cutlass bearing first in order to get enough side to side
deflection to clear the rudder. It scrapes buy barely but it does with a
bit of effort. I've personally done this twice myself (two different
C320s). If I can do it, any bozo can.
Gortex GFO Packing:
I have
been using the GFO Packing instead of the PSS for 7 years now. The drain
hole leading under the engine pan has a small piece of duct tape over it
so nothing drains to the bilge. The GFO has run quiet, cool and really
100% dripless since then. The only time I need to mop water out of that
section is when I empty the junk from my raw water strainer and forget to
use a Ziploc baggie around it to contain the spills.
All things being equal, I like the stability and simplicity of the
traditional Stuffing box with GFO more than I did the PSS. It also
provides a third point in between the coupling and the cutlass bearing to
help prevent shaft whip or oscillations.
With the
vented version, be sure that when revving it or moving in reverse that
back pressure doesn't cause the water to squirt out the top of the vent
hose. I've seen that happen first hand also and was really surprised even
though it was led well above the water line. I suppose it was because it
was such a small diameter hose it didn't take much pressure to force water
up a couple feet like a little mini fountain. Not much water, but way more
than just a few drops.
Cheers!
-Jeff Hare #809
-----Original Message-----
From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com]
On Behalf
Of Allan S Field
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 9:21 PM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
Martin - I think what was said
about the rudder was that it did not need to be dropped and the shaft
didn't have to be removed to install the PYY shaft seal. But if changing
out the shaft, I would imagine the rudder would need to be dropped. -
Allan
-----Original Message-----
From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com]
On Behalf
Of Martin Rosenberg
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 8:57 PM
To: C320-List at catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
Sliding the shaft back a ways
and removing the Shaft coupling to install the PSS is a LOT LESS work that
removing the shaft (and then probably the cutless bearing).
Someone on the list said that the rudder does not have to be dropped to
remove the shaft although I really don't see how the alignment will allow
it. Then 'they' say that the coupling should be reground and fitted to the
new shaft.
Martin Rosenberg
Avalon
#823
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014
at 7:52 PM, Pat Ireland <cherie320 at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Just a thought
- there might be valid logic in replacing the bronze > with stainless,
considering that the process of installing the PSS > requires partial
removal of the shaft. So, if you are in for a penny, > why not spring for
the whole pound. Same might be said for engine > mounts, cutlass
bearing, and prop. But then again, there might not be > quite enough ink
in the pen to write the check for that bill. Cheers > Pat, 801 > > On
Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Allan S Field > <allan.field at verizon.net> >
wrote:
>
> > My Question to PYY: I have a
Catalina 320 sailing vessel. There is
>
> "chatter" on our list-serve that if
installing a PSS shaft seal, one
>
should
> > change out their bronze
shaft for stainless steel. Just wondering > > if > there > > is any
science behind this recommendation and what PYI recommends. > > Thank you!
>
>
> > PYY Answer: Hi Allan,
> >
> > This is
false information and there are no issues what-so-ever > > installing the
PSS Shaft Seal on a Bronze shaft. It's been happening > > for nearly 30
years now.
> >
> > Hope this helps and please let me
know if there is anything else you
>
need.
> >
> >
Best regards,
> >
>
> Justin S. Romesburg
> > Director
of International Sales
> > PYI Inc. /
Seaview
> >
> >
-----Original Message-----
> > From:
C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com]
On
> > Behalf Of Doug Treff
> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 7:50 AM > > To:
c320-list at lists.catalina320.com > > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Dry bilge?
> >
> >
CORRECTION - my mechanic recommended that I replace my bronze shaft > >
with stainless when I get the PSS installed.
> >
> > ---
> > Doug
Treff
> > doug at treff.us
> >
> > On
2014-11-22 10:35, pat reynolds wrote:
>
> > I agree with Allan on the pss shaft. I replaced my original > > >
because the company recommended a change every so many years. The > > >
original bellows looked fine when I removed it. As far as the > > >
mechanics suggestion that a bronze shaft be used, I can only think > > >
that that was because bronze is softer than stainless and the set > > >
screws might hold better. A poor suggestion since I replaced my > > >
original bronze shaft with stainless after getting a line caught around it
and bending it.
> > >
> >
> >
>
More information about the C320-list
mailing list