[C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 2162, Issue 2
Don Poole
dpoole15 at gmail.com
Wed Oct 1 15:57:11 PDT 2014
#074 lists to port. I thought all 320's did; at least those of a certain vintage. Its very slight and i could never think of any problem it might cause so i learned to love it. Certainly wouldn't put lead in my boat under any circumstances. I did add a third (but smaller) battery under the starboard settee but not for list correction. Still lists. Guess i could move my Chapmans to starboard. ;)
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> 1. Re: C320 boat list (Martin Rosenberg)
> 2. Re: C320 boat list (John Meyers)
> 3. Re: C320 boat list (Dean Vermeire)
> 4. Re: C320 boat list (Brian Borchers)
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> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 12:05:45 -0400
> From: Martin Rosenberg <martinlrosenberg at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 boat list
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> Last year when I priced 4D batteries, the prices were all in the
> neighborhood
>
>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:20 AM, <millers1 at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> This has been an interesting discussion. As I noted in an earlier e-mail
>> I have no list on
>> #680, but the PO had installed a 3rd 4D battery (Wt appox.115#, cost
>> approx $215) .
>> Using Tony's comment below: a 5# ingot of lead costs approx. $20, so 64#
>> of lead would
>> cost about... $260...... Hummmm, maybe the PO of my boat was doing more
>> than just
>> adding reserve battery capacity. ????
>>
>> Art
>> S/V Liberty
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tony Murphy <tony at midwestphysics.com>
>> To: C320-List <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Oct 1, 2014 8:50 am
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 boat list
>>
>>
>> Lead is roughly 0.4 pounds per cubic inch. So roughly 64 pounds for 160
>> cubic
>> inches.
>>
>> Tony
>> #886
>>
>> On Oct 1, 2014, at 6:51 AM, Elizabeth Schwartz <schwartz781 at optonline.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ahoy.......20x16x1/2=160 cubic inches.......anyone know how much that
>> amount
>> of lead weighs?...Joe...#245
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Gary Magnuson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just to add another comment about our 320 port list, It was apparent on
>> a
>> 2008, three boat trip to Isle Royale. A C&C 30, and a Cape Dory 30, offered
>> confirmation, while at anchor, that yes, I list to port.. I assured them
>> that
>> she sailed just fine, and had no problem keeping up, or accommodating our
>> friends, for the evening meals. When I replaced my 4d's I used a salvaged
>> lead
>> sheet about 20 inches, by 16 inches by 1/2 inch thick, to lay along side
>> the
>> battery tray on the starboard side. It tucks up under the seat, and seems
>> to
>> have brought her in line with the other masts along the headed dock in the
>> Apostle Islands Marina. When viewed from the parking lot, my 320 was
>> always out
>> of alignment until my modification. Now no one notices any difference,
>> and the
>> cocktail hour commentary has progressed to other topics. As my wife tells
>> me,
>> "Just Deal with it".
>>>>
>>>> Gary Magnuson
>>>> Time A Weigh, #205
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/30/2014 9:00 PM, Chris Burti wrote:
>>>>> They were formerly made in California...maybe its just a little left
>>>>> coast lean...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Chris BurtiFrom: Bob and Barb Uhlman
>>>>> Sent: ?9/?30/?2014 8:12 PM
>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 boat list
>>>>> We used to have a Catalina 28 and it listed to port also. Maybe all
>>>>> Catalina's list to port?
>>>>>
>>>>> Barb Uhlman
>>>>> Whisper, 1158
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:14 PM, Jeff Hare wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We're a polite bunch. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On
>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Allan S Field
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:09 PM
>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 boat list
>>>>>
>>>>> My waterline is OK as I moved it up about 2 inches several years ago.
>> Got
>>>>> tired of scraping the barnacles where there was no bottom paint; now
>> there
>>>>> is bottom paint! I sacrificed most of the blue stripe at the bottom
>> but so
>>>>> far, no other person has ever noticed the difference unless I point it
>> out!
>>>>>
>>>>> Allan S. Field
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 30, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Elizabeth Schwartz
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Ahoy.....#245 has a noticable list to port.......the waterline to
>> port is
>>>>> visably lower in the water.....Joe...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 02:52 PM, millers1 at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Allan,
>>>>>>> I did, and it just stays in a puddle. The boat looks perfect from
>>>>>>> astern, ahead and athwart ships., even sighting the mast, etc.....
>> she is
>>>>> on her her lines.
>>>>>>> As I noted in an earlier e-mail, the PO installed a 3rd, 4D battery
>>>>> (120#) on the starboard side.
>>>>>>> With out that weight she may lean to Port(?).
>>>>>>> Something must be off center, because with the: house batteries,
>> head,
>>>>> aft water tnk. and fuel tnk. all on the Stbd side one would expect a
>> list to
>>>>> Starboard (?), not Port.
>>>>>>> It is hard to prove , because of variable conditions, but when on a
>> Port
>>>>> or Starboard tack, my boat is faster on Starboard.
>>>>>>> Lets see how your off-ctr. comment stands up on the forum!!!!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Art #680
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Allan S Field To: C320-List Sent: Tue, Sep 30, 2014 1:26 pm
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 boat list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Spill a little bit of water on the counter to the right of the galley
>>>>> faucet and see which way the water runs. If it does not run to port, I
>>>>> doubt you have a C320! Seriously though, my sense after 13 years with
>> the
>>>>> boat is that the list is not a weight problem but rather the original
>> mold
>>>>> was off center. Just my opinion but I am sticking with it until proven
>>>>> wrong!
>>>>>>> Allan S. Field
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 27, 2014, at 9:46 PM, Millers wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have heard people mention a boat list. Which way does the boat
>>>>>>>> list, if it
>>>>>>> has a list?? My hull #680 has no visible list. The PO did install a
>>>>> third 4D battery on the Stbd. Side.
>>>>>>>> Art
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 27, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Amiraults Family wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jeff:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would think an additional 9 gallons of diesel would be a boon for
>>>>>>>>> a few, but for those of us who mainly motor out of harbor and back
>>>>>>>>> in after a sail
>>>>>>>>> - not so much. With the short season before putting Bear on the
>>>>>>>>> hard, I usually use less than a half tank as it is. Thus the
>>>>>>>>> diesel, although diluted with new in the fall, is generally growing
>>>>>>>>> older and older. It gets a stabilizer and biocide but I still
>> wonder..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure would like to lose the list, though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brian Amirault
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 797 Waltzing Bear, too
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast!
>>>>>>>>> Antivirus
>>>>>>> protection is active.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 12:15:26 -0400
> From: John Meyers <jcmeyers7 at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 boat list
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> I may have the reason there is a port list..... It might be a clever
> design...... The dinner table is on the starboard side and when we are
> sitting there eating the boat is on even keel and the soup doesn't spill
> over the side of the bowl.
>
> John
>
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Martin Rosenberg <
> martinlrosenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Last year when I priced 4D batteries, the prices were all in the
>> neighborhood
>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:20 AM, <millers1 at aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> This has been an interesting discussion. As I noted in an earlier
>> e-mail
>>> I have no list on
>>> #680, but the PO had installed a 3rd 4D battery (Wt appox.115#, cost
>>> approx $215) .
>>> Using Tony's comment below: a 5# ingot of lead costs approx. $20, so 64#
>>> of lead would
>>> cost about... $260...... Hummmm, maybe the PO of my boat was doing more
>>> than just
>>> adding reserve battery capacity. ????
>>>
>>> Art
>>> S/V Liberty
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tony Murphy <tony at midwestphysics.com>
>>> To: C320-List <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>> Sent: Wed, Oct 1, 2014 8:50 am
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 boat list
>>>
>>>
>>> Lead is roughly 0.4 pounds per cubic inch. So roughly 64 pounds for 160
>>> cubic
>>> inches.
>>>
>>> Tony
>>> #886
>>>
>>> On Oct 1, 2014, at 6:51 AM, Elizabeth Schwartz <
>> schwartz781 at optonline.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ahoy.......20x16x1/2=160 cubic inches.......anyone know how much that
>>> amount
>>> of lead weighs?...Joe...#245
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Gary Magnuson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Just to add another comment about our 320 port list, It was apparent
>> on
>>> a
>>> 2008, three boat trip to Isle Royale. A C&C 30, and a Cape Dory 30,
>> offered
>>> confirmation, while at anchor, that yes, I list to port.. I assured them
>>> that
>>> she sailed just fine, and had no problem keeping up, or accommodating our
>>> friends, for the evening meals. When I replaced my 4d's I used a salvaged
>>> lead
>>> sheet about 20 inches, by 16 inches by 1/2 inch thick, to lay along side
>>> the
>>> battery tray on the starboard side. It tucks up under the seat, and
>> seems
>>> to
>>> have brought her in line with the other masts along the headed dock in
>> the
>>> Apostle Islands Marina. When viewed from the parking lot, my 320 was
>>> always out
>>> of alignment until my modification. Now no one notices any difference,
>>> and the
>>> cocktail hour commentary has progressed to other topics. As my wife
>> tells
>>> me,
>>> "Just Deal with it".
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary Magnuson
>>>>> Time A Weigh, #205
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/30/2014 9:00 PM, Chris Burti wrote:
>>>>>> They were formerly made in California...maybe its just a little left
>>>>>> coast lean...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, Chris BurtiFrom: Bob and Barb Uhlman
>>>>>> Sent: ?9/?30/?2014 8:12 PM
>>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 boat list
>>>>>> We used to have a Catalina 28 and it listed to port also. Maybe all
>>>>>> Catalina's list to port?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Barb Uhlman
>>>>>> Whisper, 1158
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:14 PM, Jeff Hare wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We're a polite bunch. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Allan S Field
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:09 PM
>>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 boat list
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My waterline is OK as I moved it up about 2 inches several years ago.
>>> Got
>>>>>> tired of scraping the barnacles where there was no bottom paint; now
>>> there
>>>>>> is bottom paint! I sacrificed most of the blue stripe at the bottom
>>> but so
>>>>>> far, no other person has ever noticed the difference unless I point
>> it
>>> out!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Allan S. Field
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 30, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Elizabeth Schwartz
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Ahoy.....#245 has a noticable list to port.......the waterline to
>>> port is
>>>>>> visably lower in the water.....Joe...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 02:52 PM, millers1 at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Allan,
>>>>>>>> I did, and it just stays in a puddle. The boat looks perfect from
>>>>>>>> astern, ahead and athwart ships., even sighting the mast, etc.....
>>> she is
>>>>>> on her her lines.
>>>>>>>> As I noted in an earlier e-mail, the PO installed a 3rd, 4D battery
>>>>>> (120#) on the starboard side.
>>>>>>>> With out that weight she may lean to Port(?).
>>>>>>>> Something must be off center, because with the: house batteries,
>>> head,
>>>>>> aft water tnk. and fuel tnk. all on the Stbd side one would expect a
>>> list to
>>>>>> Starboard (?), not Port.
>>>>>>>> It is hard to prove , because of variable conditions, but when on
>> a
>>> Port
>>>>>> or Starboard tack, my boat is faster on Starboard.
>>>>>>>> Lets see how your off-ctr. comment stands up on the forum!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Art #680
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Allan S Field To: C320-List Sent: Tue, Sep 30, 2014 1:26 pm
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 boat list
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Spill a little bit of water on the counter to the right of the
>> galley
>>>>>> faucet and see which way the water runs. If it does not run to
>> port, I
>>>>>> doubt you have a C320! Seriously though, my sense after 13 years
>> with
>>> the
>>>>>> boat is that the list is not a weight problem but rather the original
>>> mold
>>>>>> was off center. Just my opinion but I am sticking with it until
>> proven
>>>>>> wrong!
>>>>>>>> Allan S. Field
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 27, 2014, at 9:46 PM, Millers wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have heard people mention a boat list. Which way does the boat
>>>>>>>>> list, if it
>>>>>>>> has a list?? My hull #680 has no visible list. The PO did
>> install a
>>>>>> third 4D battery on the Stbd. Side.
>>>>>>>>> Art
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 27, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Amiraults Family wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jeff:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would think an additional 9 gallons of diesel would be a boon
>> for
>>>>>>>>>> a few, but for those of us who mainly motor out of harbor and
>> back
>>>>>>>>>> in after a sail
>>>>>>>>>> - not so much. With the short season before putting Bear on the
>>>>>>>>>> hard, I usually use less than a half tank as it is. Thus the
>>>>>>>>>> diesel, although diluted with new in the fall, is generally
>> growing
>>>>>>>>>> older and older. It gets a stabilizer and biocide but I still
>>> wonder..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sure would like to lose the list, though.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brian Amirault
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 797 Waltzing Bear, too
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast!
>>>>>>>>>> Antivirus
>>>>>>>> protection is active.
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.avast.com
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>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 11:53:40 -0500
> From: Dean Vermeire <dean at vermeire.us>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 boat list
> Message-ID: <542C3194.2070404 at vermeire.us>
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>
> Close. I think it is for when I am sitting at the table eating, the
> boat stays level. That way, people don't see the boat listing to
> starboard, see me at the table, and say out loud, "hasn't he already had
> enough to eat?"
>
> Dean
>
>> On 10/1/2014 11:15 AM, John Meyers wrote:
>> I may have the reason there is a port list..... It might be a clever
>> design...... The dinner table is on the starboard side and when we are
>> sitting there eating the boat is on even keel and the soup doesn't spill
>> over the side of the bowl.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Martin Rosenberg <
>> martinlrosenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Last year when I priced 4D batteries, the prices were all in the
>>> neighborhood
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:20 AM, <millers1 at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This has been an interesting discussion. As I noted in an earlier
>>> e-mail
>>>> I have no list on
>>>> #680, but the PO had installed a 3rd 4D battery (Wt appox.115#, cost
>>>> approx $215) .
>>>> Using Tony's comment below: a 5# ingot of lead costs approx. $20, so 64#
>>>> of lead would
>>>> cost about... $260...... Hummmm, maybe the PO of my boat was doing more
>>>> than just
>>>> adding reserve battery capacity. ????
>>>>
>>>> Art
>>>> S/V Liberty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Tony Murphy <tony at midwestphysics.com>
>>>> To: C320-List <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>> Sent: Wed, Oct 1, 2014 8:50 am
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 boat list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lead is roughly 0.4 pounds per cubic inch. So roughly 64 pounds for 160
>>>> cubic
>>>> inches.
>>>>
>>>> Tony
>>>> #886
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 1, 2014, at 6:51 AM, Elizabeth Schwartz <
>>> schwartz781 at optonline.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ahoy.......20x16x1/2=160 cubic inches.......anyone know how much that
>>>> amount
>>>> of lead weighs?...Joe...#245
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Gary Magnuson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to add another comment about our 320 port list, It was apparent
>>> on
>>>> a
>>>> 2008, three boat trip to Isle Royale. A C&C 30, and a Cape Dory 30,
>>> offered
>>>> confirmation, while at anchor, that yes, I list to port.. I assured them
>>>> that
>>>> she sailed just fine, and had no problem keeping up, or accommodating our
>>>> friends, for the evening meals. When I replaced my 4d's I used a salvaged
>>>> lead
>>>> sheet about 20 inches, by 16 inches by 1/2 inch thick, to lay along side
>>>> the
>>>> battery tray on the starboard side. It tucks up under the seat, and
>>> seems
>>>> to
>>>> have brought her in line with the other masts along the headed dock in
>>> the
>>>> Apostle Islands Marina. When viewed from the parking lot, my 320 was
>>>> always out
>>>> of alignment until my modification. Now no one notices any difference,
>>>> and the
>>>> cocktail hour commentary has progressed to other topics. As my wife
>>> tells
>>>> me,
>>>> "Just Deal with it".
>>>>>> Gary Magnuson
>>>>>> Time A Weigh, #205
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/30/2014 9:00 PM, Chris Burti wrote:
>>>>>>> They were formerly made in California...maybe its just a little left
>>>>>>> coast lean...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, Chris BurtiFrom: Bob and Barb Uhlman
>>>>>>> Sent: ?9/?30/?2014 8:12 PM
>>>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 boat list
>>>>>>> We used to have a Catalina 28 and it listed to port also. Maybe all
>>>>>>> Catalina's list to port?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Barb Uhlman
>>>>>>> Whisper, 1158
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:14 PM, Jeff Hare wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We're a polite bunch. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Allan S Field
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:09 PM
>>>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 boat list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My waterline is OK as I moved it up about 2 inches several years ago.
>>>> Got
>>>>>>> tired of scraping the barnacles where there was no bottom paint; now
>>>> there
>>>>>>> is bottom paint! I sacrificed most of the blue stripe at the bottom
>>>> but so
>>>>>>> far, no other person has ever noticed the difference unless I point
>>> it
>>>> out!
>>>>>>> Allan S. Field
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 30, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Elizabeth Schwartz
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ahoy.....#245 has a noticable list to port.......the waterline to
>>>> port is
>>>>>>> visably lower in the water.....Joe...
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 02:52 PM, millers1 at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Allan,
>>>>>>>>> I did, and it just stays in a puddle. The boat looks perfect from
>>>>>>>>> astern, ahead and athwart ships., even sighting the mast, etc.....
>>>> she is
>>>>>>> on her her lines.
>>>>>>>>> As I noted in an earlier e-mail, the PO installed a 3rd, 4D battery
>>>>>>> (120#) on the starboard side.
>>>>>>>>> With out that weight she may lean to Port(?).
>>>>>>>>> Something must be off center, because with the: house batteries,
>>>> head,
>>>>>>> aft water tnk. and fuel tnk. all on the Stbd side one would expect a
>>>> list to
>>>>>>> Starboard (?), not Port.
>>>>>>>>> It is hard to prove , because of variable conditions, but when on
>>> a
>>>> Port
>>>>>>> or Starboard tack, my boat is faster on Starboard.
>>>>>>>>> Lets see how your off-ctr. comment stands up on the forum!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Art #680
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Allan S Field To: C320-List Sent: Tue, Sep 30, 2014 1:26 pm
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 boat list
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Spill a little bit of water on the counter to the right of the
>>> galley
>>>>>>> faucet and see which way the water runs. If it does not run to
>>> port, I
>>>>>>> doubt you have a C320! Seriously though, my sense after 13 years
>>> with
>>>> the
>>>>>>> boat is that the list is not a weight problem but rather the original
>>>> mold
>>>>>>> was off center. Just my opinion but I am sticking with it until
>>> proven
>>>>>>> wrong!
>>>>>>>>> Allan S. Field
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 27, 2014, at 9:46 PM, Millers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I have heard people mention a boat list. Which way does the boat
>>>>>>>>>> list, if it
>>>>>>>>> has a list?? My hull #680 has no visible list. The PO did
>>> install a
>>>>>>> third 4D battery on the Stbd. Side.
>>>>>>>>>> Art
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 27, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Amiraults Family wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would think an additional 9 gallons of diesel would be a boon
>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> a few, but for those of us who mainly motor out of harbor and
>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>> in after a sail
>>>>>>>>>>> - not so much. With the short season before putting Bear on the
>>>>>>>>>>> hard, I usually use less than a half tank as it is. Thus the
>>>>>>>>>>> diesel, although diluted with new in the fall, is generally
>>> growing
>>>>>>>>>>> older and older. It gets a stabilizer and biocide but I still
>>>> wonder..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sure would like to lose the list, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Amirault
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 797 Waltzing Bear, too
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast!
>>>>>>>>>>> Antivirus
>>>>>>>>> protection is active.
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.avast.com
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 14:09:25 -0400
> From: Brian Borchers <slaintec320 at gmail.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 boat list
> Message-ID: <54E2FE7C-823C-4A19-B194-B8D87DF62DBC at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Hi all,
>
> 50 to 75 pounds of recycled lead shot took care of my problem!! Each bag is small and fits nicely in a tight area.
>
> http://www.rotometals.com/product-p/lead_shot_reclaim_clean.htm
>
> BKB
> # 608
> Slainte
>
>> On Oct 1, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Dean Vermeire <dean at vermeire.us> wrote:
>>
>> Close. I think it is for when I am sitting at the table eating, the boat stays level. That way, people don't see the boat listing to starboard, see me at the table, and say out loud, "hasn't he already had enough to eat?"
>>
>> Dean
>>
>>> On 10/1/2014 11:15 AM, John Meyers wrote:
>>> I may have the reason there is a port list..... It might be a clever
>>> design...... The dinner table is on the starboard side and when we are
>>> sitting there eating the boat is on even keel and the soup doesn't spill
>>> over the side of the bowl.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Martin Rosenberg <
>>> martinlrosenberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Last year when I priced 4D batteries, the prices were all in the
>>>> neighborhood
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:20 AM, <millers1 at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This has been an interesting discussion. As I noted in an earlier
>>>> e-mail
>>>>> I have no list on
>>>>> #680, but the PO had installed a 3rd 4D battery (Wt appox.115#, cost
>>>>> approx $215) .
>>>>> Using Tony's comment below: a 5# ingot of lead costs approx. $20, so 64#
>>>>> of lead would
>>>>> cost about... $260...... Hummmm, maybe the PO of my boat was doing more
>>>>> than just
>>>>> adding reserve battery capacity. ????
>>>>>
>>>>> Art
>>>>> S/V Liberty
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Tony Murphy <tony at midwestphysics.com>
>>>>> To: C320-List <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wed, Oct 1, 2014 8:50 am
>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 boat list
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lead is roughly 0.4 pounds per cubic inch. So roughly 64 pounds for 160
>>>>> cubic
>>>>> inches.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tony
>>>>> #886
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 1, 2014, at 6:51 AM, Elizabeth Schwartz <
>>>> schwartz781 at optonline.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ahoy.......20x16x1/2=160 cubic inches.......anyone know how much that
>>>>> amount
>>>>> of lead weighs?...Joe...#245
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:09 PM, Gary Magnuson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just to add another comment about our 320 port list, It was apparent
>>>> on
>>>>> a
>>>>> 2008, three boat trip to Isle Royale. A C&C 30, and a Cape Dory 30,
>>>> offered
>>>>> confirmation, while at anchor, that yes, I list to port.. I assured them
>>>>> that
>>>>> she sailed just fine, and had no problem keeping up, or accommodating our
>>>>> friends, for the evening meals. When I replaced my 4d's I used a salvaged
>>>>> lead
>>>>> sheet about 20 inches, by 16 inches by 1/2 inch thick, to lay along side
>>>>> the
>>>>> battery tray on the starboard side. It tucks up under the seat, and
>>>> seems
>>>>> to
>>>>> have brought her in line with the other masts along the headed dock in
>>>> the
>>>>> Apostle Islands Marina. When viewed from the parking lot, my 320 was
>>>>> always out
>>>>> of alignment until my modification. Now no one notices any difference,
>>>>> and the
>>>>> cocktail hour commentary has progressed to other topics. As my wife
>>>> tells
>>>>> me,
>>>>> "Just Deal with it".
>>>>>>> Gary Magnuson
>>>>>>> Time A Weigh, #205
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/30/2014 9:00 PM, Chris Burti wrote:
>>>>>>>> They were formerly made in California...maybe its just a little left
>>>>>>>> coast lean...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Chris BurtiFrom: Bob and Barb Uhlman
>>>>>>>> Sent: ?9/?30/?2014 8:12 PM
>>>>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 boat list
>>>>>>>> We used to have a Catalina 28 and it listed to port also. Maybe all
>>>>>>>> Catalina's list to port?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Barb Uhlman
>>>>>>>> Whisper, 1158
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:14 PM, Jeff Hare wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We're a polite bunch. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>> Of Allan S Field
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:09 PM
>>>>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 boat list
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My waterline is OK as I moved it up about 2 inches several years ago.
>>>>> Got
>>>>>>>> tired of scraping the barnacles where there was no bottom paint; now
>>>>> there
>>>>>>>> is bottom paint! I sacrificed most of the blue stripe at the bottom
>>>>> but so
>>>>>>>> far, no other person has ever noticed the difference unless I point
>>>> it
>>>>> out!
>>>>>>>> Allan S. Field
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 30, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Elizabeth Schwartz
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ahoy.....#245 has a noticable list to port.......the waterline to
>>>>> port is
>>>>>>>> visably lower in the water.....Joe...
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 02:52 PM, millers1 at aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Allan,
>>>>>>>>>> I did, and it just stays in a puddle. The boat looks perfect from
>>>>>>>>>> astern, ahead and athwart ships., even sighting the mast, etc.....
>>>>> she is
>>>>>>>> on her her lines.
>>>>>>>>>> As I noted in an earlier e-mail, the PO installed a 3rd, 4D battery
>>>>>>>> (120#) on the starboard side.
>>>>>>>>>> With out that weight she may lean to Port(?).
>>>>>>>>>> Something must be off center, because with the: house batteries,
>>>>> head,
>>>>>>>> aft water tnk. and fuel tnk. all on the Stbd side one would expect a
>>>>> list to
>>>>>>>> Starboard (?), not Port.
>>>>>>>>>> It is hard to prove , because of variable conditions, but when on
>>>> a
>>>>> Port
>>>>>>>> or Starboard tack, my boat is faster on Starboard.
>>>>>>>>>> Lets see how your off-ctr. comment stands up on the forum!!!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Art #680
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Allan S Field To: C320-List Sent: Tue, Sep 30, 2014 1:26 pm
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320 boat list
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Spill a little bit of water on the counter to the right of the
>>>> galley
>>>>>>>> faucet and see which way the water runs. If it does not run to
>>>> port, I
>>>>>>>> doubt you have a C320! Seriously though, my sense after 13 years
>>>> with
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> boat is that the list is not a weight problem but rather the original
>>>>> mold
>>>>>>>> was off center. Just my opinion but I am sticking with it until
>>>> proven
>>>>>>>> wrong!
>>>>>>>>>> Allan S. Field
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 27, 2014, at 9:46 PM, Millers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I have heard people mention a boat list. Which way does the boat
>>>>>>>>>>> list, if it
>>>>>>>>>> has a list?? My hull #680 has no visible list. The PO did
>>>> install a
>>>>>>>> third 4D battery on the Stbd. Side.
>>>>>>>>>>> Art
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 27, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Amiraults Family wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would think an additional 9 gallons of diesel would be a boon
>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> a few, but for those of us who mainly motor out of harbor and
>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>> in after a sail
>>>>>>>>>>>> - not so much. With the short season before putting Bear on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> hard, I usually use less than a half tank as it is. Thus the
>>>>>>>>>>>> diesel, although diluted with new in the fall, is generally
>>>> growing
>>>>>>>>>>>> older and older. It gets a stabilizer and biocide but I still
>>>>> wonder..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sure would like to lose the list, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Amirault
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 797 Waltzing Bear, too
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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