[C320-list] Prop nut

Fri Apr 24 07:20:38 PDT 2015

I know, I don't have the tool and our launch is next Saturday. 

First option, thought I could pull the shaft and get the bearing out - not
easy!

Second option: Just sent email to eMarine for the tool to be expressed
shipped to a FedEx location in Buffalo New York. Will drive there next week
and pick it up if possible.

At this point I am willing to pay duty, taxes and price of tool to get it
done. 

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf
Of Allan S Field
Sent: April-24-15 10:03 AM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Prop nut

Ted - Why are you pulling the shaft?  I thought you were just replacing the
cutlass bearing.  The shaft doesn't need to be pulled to do that. - Allan

-----Original Message-----
From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf
Of tharrison at innovations-plus.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 9:39 AM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Prop nut

Good news at the boat this morning. I used an impact air gun. Just used150
psi air compressor from home depo. The  nut came off with ease. 

The prop was next and I put the prop puller on real tight. Went for a
coffee. Came back three light taps and off she came. I applied pb blaster
before coffee. 

Thanks everyone. No heat required so I guess I lucked out. 

Next step. Pulling the shaft out.

Jeff you said the shaft will come out past the rudder. I have tried to pull
it out past the rudder on the port side. A substantial bent in the shaft.
But I could not get it out. 

Is starboard or port side any different?

Is the bend normal?

If I force it out will it go back in? Or is it just as difficult to get it
back in? 

Ted 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 23, 2015, at 9:58 AM, "Jeff Hare" <Catalina at thehares.com> wrote:
> 
> Good point on the heat, but quite frankly, the WHOLE point about using
heat is that you want the HUB to expand, not the shaft.   So, If you sit
there with the torch and heat it for a long time, you're simply defeating
the purpose and will damage stuff. Don't point the torch at the cutlass
bearing.  Again, Common sense there.
> 
> Cool the whole assembly down and then quick apply heat to the hub. The 
> hub
will expand before the shaft and at that point it simply pops loose.  Done
it many times. We're talking 15-40 seconds time range with MAPP gas and a
little tap with a metal hammer to set up vibrations.
> 
> Again, common sense and an understanding of the basic physics of what 
> you're trying to achieve when heating the hub.  Barring common sense 
> or an understanding of the previous, you should advise the general 
> public to never use a torch because it'll cause damage. Safe 
> statement.  I'd tell my dad to hire a professional or soak it free.
> I'd tell my brother to use the torch. One size doesn't fit all..  :) 
> (sorry dad. :)
> 
> Cheers,
> -Jeff
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On 
> Behalf Of Allan S Field
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 8:29 AM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Prop nut
> 
> Yeah, I just read somewhere else not to use heat.  One reason seems to 
> be
that the heat can damage the rubber in the cutlass bearing.  I have changed
out 4-5 bearings now and for 2 of them, we used heat and that was the only
way those 2 props were coming off.  But the reason we took the prop off was
to change the bearing anyway so no harm/no foul to the bearing.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On 
> Behalf Of swampcreek42
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 6:22 AM
> To: tharrison at innovations-plus.com; C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Prop nut
> 
> I was in a discussion about this at a local watering hole just the 
> other
day, my neighbor decided to use his props as depth finders and now needs to
pull them. The local guru told him don't eff with heat, soak it with PB
BLASTER then put a quality air impact wrench on it. He stated he has even
resorted to running a generator to run an air compressor to run the impact
wrench. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> 
> <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: 
> tharrison at innovations-plus.com </div><div>Date:04/22/2015  10:05 PM
> (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> </div><div>Subject: Re: [C320-list] Prop nut </div><div> </div>Thanks 
> Rick
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 8:39 PM, "Rick Sulewski" <rsulewski at bex.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Ted,
>> I have a single prop nut on my boat (hull #277).  To remove the prop 
>> I had to strike the end of a wrench with a hammer several times to 
>> loosen the jammed nut against the prop. Be careful to use a closed 
>> end wrench or a deep socket wrench that provides a stable target to 
>> strike the end of the wrench and strike the furthest end of the 
>> wrench while the transmission is in neutral. For me, there was no 
>> need to contain or attempt to keep the prop from turning.  For me, I 
>> just had to reset the prop and wrench to provide several high force 
>> strikes in order to break the nut free. I reversed the process to jam 
>> the nut against the prop to ensure the prop was indeed reseated on 
>> the
tapered shaft.
>> 
>> I second the earlier post indicating the need to keep the loosened 
>> nut on the end of the shaft when pulling the prop so as to avoid 
>> having the prop fly off the shaft. When pulling the prop I had to 
>> tightened the tool several times by striking the wrenches to place 
>> pressure on the puller and finally just walk away.... and the prop 
>> popped off while I waited for the tension/pressure to do its work.
>> The prop nut kept the prop from flying off the shaft toward the rudder.
>> Rick My-Ria 95 320 Hull #277
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Jeff Hare
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 6:56 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Prop nut
>> 
>> Allan,
>> 
>> Our boat only had a single large castle nut installed with cotter pin.
>> Catalina direct also confirms this was standard...
>> http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm/product/1625_844/prop-shaft-c
>> a
>> stle-n
>> ut-34.cfm
>> 
>> -Jeff
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Allan S Field
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 6:46 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Prop nut
>> 
>> There should be two - one is half-height, the other full-height.  And 
>> while this sounds counter-intuitive, the half-height nut goes on 
>> first against the hub.  The half-height nut initially takes the load 
>> but when the full-height nut is installed, the load is transferred to
that one.  See:
>> http://www.passagemaker.com/channels/propeller-nut-myth-busting/
>> 
>> Most very boat I have seen, including my own, had the full-height nut 
>> installed first.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On 
>> Behalf Of tharrison at innovations-plus.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 6:34 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Prop nut
>> 
>> I do not see two nuts. Just one
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Apr 22, 2015, at 6:14 PM, "Allan S Field" 
>>>> <allan.field at verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> First off, there are 2 nuts plus the cotter pin (or at least, should
be).
>>> Secondly, you may have to heat the nuts with a MAPP torch (propane 
>>> torch probably won't get hot enough) enough to break them free.
>>> Third, WD40 will be of no use.  Try PB Blaster and let it soak
overnight.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of tharrison at innovations-plus.com
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 5:24 PM
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Prop nut
>>> 
>>> I just tried to take the prop nut off. Notice I said tried. I just 
>>> came back from tool store with a 1 1/8 deep socket and a 16 inch 
>>> bar,
>>> 1/2 drive.  This will be my second attempt!
>>> 
>>> I have put WD40 on the nut. 
>>> 
>>> I did remove the cotter pin. 
>>> 
>>> I have blocked the prop with 6x6and a couple of 2x6's up against the 
>>> boat bottom.
>>> 
>>> Before I get all manly (which I am not) and use force on the nut I 
>>> thought I would ask; " What am I or did I miss in trying to get this 
>>> nut
>> off"?
>>> 
>>> Ted
>>> Hull 424
>>> Whitby Ontario
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 