[C320-list] Wing vs Fin

Sat Jul 18 08:47:06 PDT 2015

Thanks Brian. 

That explains it. 

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> On Jul 18, 2015, at 11:37 AM, "Brian/Carol McLamb" <bjcnmclamb at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Ted.  I do the same as Warren.  Found a plastic encased lead mushroom
> anchor at WM.  It is about 12 lbs or so, and then purchased the largest
> carabiner clip to slide it to the anchor.  A small diameter line such as is
> used for pennants secures to the anchor and then the carrbiner.  With this
> I can control how far down the anchor rode it travels based upon the depth
> where I'm anchored .  It has worked extremely well in 1-2 ft chop in 10 kts
> of wind in Pamlico Sound on numerous occasions.  It keeps the line taught
> enough to prevent wrapping on the wing keel, and  also keeps the chain low
> to improve holding in various bottom conditions.  The key is to keep this
> arrangement a few feet above the bottom surface.
> 
> Brian s/v Serenity #1075.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 6:01 PM, tharrison at innovations-plus.com <
> tharrison at innovations-plus.com> wrote:
> 
>> Warren just a couple of questions on your method.
>> 
>> How far from the bow is the knot?
>> 
>> What kind of weight do you use that it slides down to the knot?
>> 
>> What prevents the weight from going over the knot?
>> 
>> Does the weight chaf the rode?
>> 
>> Ted
>> Hull 424
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wrapping the rode around a wing keel can be inconvenient. What I do to
>> avoid this condition is to run a weight out on the rode so that if the rode
>> is slack the weight will keep the rode below the keel. I have a knot in the
>> line so I know how far to let it out to clear the keel. Of course, if there
>> is wind and/or tide the rode will be taught so no danger of a wrap. This is
>> not the same as a kellett as it is only about 15lb. while a kellett is
>> probably 30 or more lbs.
>>> 
>>> Warren and Pattie Updike
>>> 1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Gene Helfman [mailto:genehelfman at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 8:40 PM
>>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Wing vs Fin
>>> 
>>> When shopping a few years ago for a C320, we sought advice on the wing vs
>>> fin keel issue, considering the shallower draft advantage of the wing
>>> keel.  The higher pointing of the fin keel boat came up repeatedly but I
>>> don't know if it was resolved.  One liability of the wing keel that is
>> more
>>> than hypothetical is the chance of an anchor line getting wrapped around
>>> the fins when wind and current run in opposite directions, a not uncommon
>>> occurrence.  Also, if the keel depth of the shallower draft wing keel
>> boat
>>> is less than or equal to the rudder depth, the rudder may settle down on
>> or
>>> strike the bottom first when water depth is miscalculated or stranded by
>> a
>>> falling tide (which we of course never do.....).  I'd be curious to know
>> if
>>> wing keel owners have experience with this.
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Dick Walker <dickwalker at att.net>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> David I hope you will be here for the 2016 Regatta at Coronado YC ; 9-11
>>>> September 2016
>>>> 
>>>> If any on the list have questions please contact me,
>>>> 
>>>> If you are planning to come drop me an email
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> 
>>>> Dick Walker
>>>> C-320 #687. WindWalker II
>>>> 740 Olive Ave.
>>>> Coronado ,CA 92118
>>>> 619.435.8986
>>>> 
>>>> Dickwalker at att.net
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 14:29, Utility Email <kswanson123 at comcast.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> John,
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have a fin keel C320.  We live in both San Diego and Seattle area
>> and
>>>> have sailed our C320 in both places.  We currently keep the boat in
>> Seattle.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is a serialized list of C320's on the C320 owners website. I
>>>> believe that list shows whether or not the boat is a fin or wing keel.
>> You
>>>> may be able to get a sense of production quantities from that list.
>> Also
>>>> search the sailboat and cruisers forums about wing vs fin keel Catalina
>>>> sailboats and I am sure you will find a lot of input there as well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I understand that the fin keel will point a little higher than a wing
>>>> keel.  Makes sense when considering the lift that a fin keel generates
>>>> compared to a traditional crushing boat lead bulb wing keel.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have been really happy with our C320 fin keel in both SD, SoCal and
>>>> Catalina Island sailing as well as sailing in Puget Sound, the San Juan
>> and
>>>> Canadian Gulf Islands. It is the perfect boat for us.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dave
>>>>> 
>>>>> David Swanson
>>>>> S/V Emily Ann
>>>>> 2007 Catalina 320 Mk II
>>>>> No. 1107
>>>>> Mukilteo, Washington
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 1:04 PM, John Eddy <johneddy123 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am in the market for a C-320 fin keel. There are a number of 320's
>> on
>>>>>> yachtworld, but most are the wing keel version. Can anyone tell me how
>>>> many
>>>>>> of each were built? It appears the fin was the *option* according to
>>>> what I
>>>>>> can gather from "the Google"... Can anyone assist?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We're in the Pacific NW so skinny water not a concern...has anyone
>> owned
>>>>>> both versions? I know the race vs cruising argument but I DO like
>>>>>> performance.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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>> 