[C320-list] Wing vs Fin

Sun Jul 19 15:56:11 PDT 2015

I find it easier to put  out a stern anchor.

Not much has been mentioned about scope.  MY Brief 5 to 1 for lunch 8 to 1
overnight.  

C-320 IA Regatta 2016
C/o Richard Walker
740 Olive Ave.
Coronado, CA 92118
(619) 435-8984
Dickwalker at att.net

-----Original Message-----
From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf
Of tharrison at innovations-plus.com
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 3:48 PM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Wing vs Fin

I have yet to anchor - first time scheduled for August trip. 

Will go shopping before trip.

Thanks Warren. 

Ted
Hull 424
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 19, 2015, at 1:24 PM, Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ted, I think, perhaps, my explanation was not sufficient. Here is more 
> detail in answer to your questions.
> 
> The knot is tied in the line to lie at the cleat I secure the line to. 
> The distance from the knot to the weight is the distance above the 
> water plus about 6' to insure the weight is below the keel when the rode
is slack.
> 
> I used to use a small mushroom anchor until I lost it (13lbs, I 
> think.) I then used what I had which is a small grappling (dinghy) 
> anchor with the flukes tied in-place. The weight is connected to a 
> snatch block so it can be quickly attached to the rode. The line is 
> attached to the block and the weight easily slides down the rode to 
> the proper distance and I secure the line to a bow cleat at the knot.
> The weight and knot are a different ends of the rig.
> No chaf as the snatch block rolls on the rode, slick as snot on a
doorknob.
> 
> This rig is similar in design and deployment to an anchor kellett 
> except the kellett is heavy and intended to increase the catenary of 
> the rode. My rig is only effective when the rode is slack which is 
> when the danger of keel wrap is present.
> 
> Warren and Pattie Updike
> 1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tharrison at innovations-plus.com 
> [mailto:tharrison at innovations-plus.com]
> 
> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 6:01 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Wing vs Fin
> 
> Warren just a couple of questions on your method.
> 
> How far from the bow is the knot?
> 
> What kind of weight do you use that it slides down to the knot?
> 
> What prevents the weight from going over the knot?
> 
> Does the weight chaf the rode?
> 
> Ted
> Hull 424
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Wrapping the rode around a wing keel can be inconvenient. What I do 
>> to
> avoid this condition is to run a weight out on the rode so that if the 
> rode is slack the weight will keep the rode below the keel. I have a 
> knot in the line so I know how far to let it out to clear the keel. Of 
> course, if there is wind and/or tide the rode will be taught so no 
> danger of a wrap. This is not the same as a kellett as it is only 
> about 15lb. while a kellett is probably 30 or more lbs.
>> 
>> Warren and Pattie Updike
>> 1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gene Helfman [mailto:genehelfman at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 8:40 PM
>> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Wing vs Fin
>> 
>> When shopping a few years ago for a C320, we sought advice on the 
>> wing vs fin keel issue, considering the shallower draft advantage of 
>> the wing keel.  The higher pointing of the fin keel boat came up 
>> repeatedly but I don't know if it was resolved.  One liability of the 
>> wing keel that is
> more
>> than hypothetical is the chance of an anchor line getting wrapped 
>> around the fins when wind and current run in opposite directions, a 
>> not uncommon occurrence.  Also, if the keel depth of the shallower 
>> draft wing keel boat is less than or equal to the rudder depth, the 
>> rudder may settle down on
> or
>> strike the bottom first when water depth is miscalculated or stranded 
>> by a falling tide (which we of course never do.....).  I'd be curious 
>> to know
> if
>> wing keel owners have experience with this.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Dick Walker <dickwalker at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> David I hope you will be here for the 2016 Regatta at Coronado YC ; 
>>> 9-11 September 2016
>>> 
>>> If any on the list have questions please contact me,
>>> 
>>> If you are planning to come drop me an email
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Dick Walker
>>> C-320 #687. WindWalker II
>>> 740 Olive Ave.
>>> Coronado ,CA 92118
>>> 619.435.8986
>>> 
>>> Dickwalker at att.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 14:29, Utility Email <kswanson123 at comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> John,
>>>> 
>>>> We have a fin keel C320.  We live in both San Diego and Seattle 
>>>> area and
>>> have sailed our C320 in both places.  We currently keep the boat in
> Seattle.
>>>> 
>>>> There is a serialized list of C320's on the C320 owners website. I
>>> believe that list shows whether or not the boat is a fin or wing keel.
> You
>>> may be able to get a sense of production quantities from that list.
> Also
>>> search the sailboat and cruisers forums about wing vs fin keel 
>>> Catalina sailboats and I am sure you will find a lot of input there as
well.
>>>> 
>>>> I understand that the fin keel will point a little higher than a 
>>>> wing
>>> keel.  Makes sense when considering the lift that a fin keel 
>>> generates compared to a traditional crushing boat lead bulb wing keel.
>>>> 
>>>> We have been really happy with our C320 fin keel in both SD, SoCal 
>>>> and
>>> Catalina Island sailing as well as sailing in Puget Sound, the San 
>>> Juan
> and
>>> Canadian Gulf Islands. It is the perfect boat for us.
>>>> 
>>>> Dave
>>>> 
>>>> David Swanson
>>>> S/V Emily Ann
>>>> 2007 Catalina 320 Mk II
>>>> No. 1107
>>>> Mukilteo, Washington
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 16, 2015, at 1:04 PM, John Eddy <johneddy123 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am in the market for a C-320 fin keel. There are a number of 
>>>>> 320's on yachtworld, but most are the wing keel version. Can 
>>>>> anyone tell me how
>>> many
>>>>> of each were built? It appears the fin was the *option* according 
>>>>> to
>>> what I
>>>>> can gather from "the Google"... Can anyone assist?
>>>>> 
>>>>> We're in the Pacific NW so skinny water not a concern...has anyone
> owned
>>>>> both versions? I know the race vs cruising argument but I DO like 
>>>>> performance.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
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>>   (360) 468-2136
>>   genehelfman at gmail.com
>> 
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