[C320-list] Rebeding Chain Plates

[Rod Boer]

I have hull #688 and that is solid core.
Rod Boer

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From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf
Of Arthur Miller
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 7:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [C320-list] Rebeding Chain Plates

The earlier articles mention at some point Catalina went to a solid deck in
the area of the chain plates.  Does anyone know what Hull # that might have
started with?
Art.   #680. 

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> On Nov 6, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Allan S Field <allan.field at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> From my personal archives...
> 
> I had a problem with the middle stanchion on the port side.  The 
> following is plagiarized from this forum (be glad to give credit to 
> the original author...if I remembered who it was) :
> 
> 1.. Move your cushions far away from the big mess you are about to 
> make and also get the table out of your way. Place some rags or an old 
> towel under the work area.
>  2.. Remove the shroud.
>  3.. Remove the strut. Remember the sequence and position of the 
> spacer and washers at the bottom of the strut. Mark the spacer so you 
> know which side is up. A crows-foot socket makes loosening (and 
> tightening) the nuts on the bottom of the strut a little easier. The 
> strut holds a bit of tension between the deck and the beam that is 
> built into the liner. Notice how many turns it takes before the upper 
> nut on the bottom of the strut comes loose and releases that tension. 
> This will help when you reinstall and re-tension the strut. Typically the
nut will come loose after about 1 1/2 turns.
>  4.. Remove the 4 Phillips head thru-bolts. The threads may be galled 
> so you might need to purchase new ones, 1/4 x 20 x 1.5".
>  5.. Remove the tang (step on it).
>  6.. Mask the deck around the trim plate so clean-up after caulking is 
> a little easier.
>  7.. Pry the trim plate off of the deck.
>  8.. The hole in the deck is larger than the tang and is filled with
caulk.
> Clean out all of the old caulk.
>  9.. If the deck has a wooden core, clean out any rotten wood, let the 
> core dry and fill the void with an appropriate filler.
>  10.. Clean the deck and cabin liner surfaces with a razor scraper, 
> gasket scraper, Dremel tool, wire brush or any other suitable tool, 
> and wipe them down with acetone.
>  11.. Use a chamfering bit to lightly chamfer the screw holes and a 
> file to chamfer the larger hole.
>  12.. Install the tang with the 4 screws but without the trim plate. 
> You don't need to use any caulk on the underside of the tang. If the 
> topside is sealed there doesn't seem to be any purpose to it. If the 
> topside seal breaks, the underside caulking might keep some water out 
> of the boat, but it
> 
> might also mask the problem while your deck rots.
>  13.. Fill the space around the tang with Boat Life's Life-Calk and 
> let it cure overnight. Life-Calk is available in caulk gun tubes which 
> are easier to use than the smaller squeeze tubes when filling a large
area.
>  14.. Trim the dried caulk around the tang so that it is flush with 
> the deck.
>  15.. Remove the Phillips bolts.
>  16.. Put a heavy bead of caulk around the tang.
>  17.. Put some caulk in each bolt hole.
>  18.. Put a bead of caulk on the deck around each bolt hole.
>  19.. Carefully place the trim plate in position. Use a couple of 
> bolts to align it as you press it down firmly and force the caulk up 
> between the plate and the tang.
>  20.. Put some caulk under the head of each bolt and push the bolts 
> into the holes while pulling up on the tang. Don't push the tang down 
> and ruin the seal.
>  21.. Tighten the 4 bolts. It would help to have someone on hand to 
> assist with this step but it can be managed without assistance.
>  22.. Clean up the caulk and remove the tape.
>  23.. Attach the strut. Hand tighten the upper nut until snug, and 
> then use a wrench to tighten it approximately another 1 1/2 turns.
>  24.. Attach the shroud.
> *****************************************
> 
> For those to timid to attack a leaking chain plate, here is what I found.
> The prepurchase survey reported moisture in the center chain plate 
> port and starboard.
> 
> I removed the shrouds from the plate. There is simply no other way. 
> Mark the threads with tape then back off the adjuster counting the 
> turns.  This will make retensioning the shrouds easier.  Now, 
> completely remove the plate from the hull. Dig out all the old caulk to
expose the cut edges of the deck.
> Those of you who have water entering the salon will almost certainly 
> have water soaked balsa core in the deck.
> 
> In later models of the 320, Catalina saw fit to make the deck solid 
> fiberglass where the chain plates pass through. This was not the case 
> with #26. The balsa core was so wet it crumbled without the support of the
caulk.
> There is no choice but to remove the soaked core, fill the void with 
> epoxy filler, and recaulk the entire opening.
> 
> One way is to bend a nail to create a 1/2" hook. Remove the head and 
> put the nail in a power drill.  Use this to remove as much of the 
> balsa core as possible.  Let the opening stand long enough to dry more 
> of the core.  Use hair dryer or other mechanical means.
> 
> When dry, mix epoxy with a slow cure hardner and lots of filler to 
> make a peanut butter paste.  (I recommend the West System product.) 
> Next tape over the deck opening from the inside. Now, with whatever 
> tools you can muster, force the putty into the space between the deck 
> and liner taking great pains to fill in a circular manner so as to 
> force out as much air as possible. Let fully cure. Then reassamble the 
> chain plate with polysuflide caulk or polysulfide/silicone product.
> 
> Another method I've heard about is to again seal the opening from the 
> inside and complete fill the opening, the entire opening with an epoxy 
> mix that will flow.  When hard, simply drill out a new opening through 
> the now solid epoxy deck.
> 
> Do not delay doing this another season. The rotting core will only get 
> worse.  It's not really that bad of a job.  If you don't count 
> yoursefe handy, do have a yard do the work.  Soft decks can make an 
> otherwise clean boat very hard to sell.
> **************************
> Jeff's instructions give some fine details and will solve some of the 
> problems I encountered. I'd add that I used a chamfering bit to bevel 
> the screw holes in the deck. I'm told this gives a better "pocket" of 
> caulk between the screw and deck. Chamfering is recommended with any 
> screws through the deck.
> 
> I used a pocket knife to loosen the caulk then pulled it out with pliers.
> The excess old caulk on the deck I removed with a dremel tool and 
> small wire brush. Use care to only remove the caulk and not burn the 
> gelcoat on the deck not that appearance matters as this area should be
under the plate.
> 
> Do not buy squeeze tubes of caulk. I use LifeCaulk by BoatLife. The 
> stuff is very stiff in the tube and squeezing it out to fill the void is
difficult.
> My store has tubes of LifeCaulk for use with a caulkiing gun. There 
> are both the normal long tubes and short tubes. A short tube is enough 
> for both center plates. Use a long tube if you are going to do all six.
> 
> Doing it in two stages as Jeff instructs is the way to go. I did it in 
> one step and believe me, Jeff's way is easier. That is fill the space 
> around the tang to the deck, let it cure overnight, then do the plate 
> and screws as Jeff says.
> 
> Finally, my experts advise to not tighten the screws fully in 
> assembling the deck plate. Instead, just slightly more than 
> hand-tight. Let it cure a day or two this way to establish a layer of 
> caulk. Then, when the screws are tightened the caulk won't be squeezed 
> out leaving to thin a bead under the plate.
> 
> Now, if some enterprising person would organize the suggestions in 
> this thread, we'd have a nice technical piece for the 320 website.
> 
> ***************************************
> It is recommended to use the Woolsey Dolfinite Bedding Compound.  It 
> does not set up like others such as 3M 5200 or ooze as Silicon products.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On 
> Behalf Of ROBERT MILLER
> Sent: Friday, November 6, 2015 5:11 PM
> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Rebeding Chain Plates
> 
> One of my chain plates has started leaking, and I'm looking for the 
> best procedure to re-seal them. I found reference to step by step 
> instructions on this job in the archives, but can't find the actual 
> instructions in the archives or in the articles on the 320 owners 
> site. Does anyone have these that they could share?
> Thanks,
> Rob Miller
> Alchemy #571
> Sidney BC
> 
> Sent from my iPad
>