[C320-list] Aqua lift mufffer

John Frost john at frostnet.net
Fri Sep 25 15:08:53 PDT 2015


This is worth a bunch Danny. Thanks for taking the time to document for us.

Does anyone know if the mixing elbow lasts longer in fresh water?



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-----Original Message-----
From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of danny jensen
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 1:39 PM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Aqua lift mufffer

The details of my Mixing Elbow exhaust, muffler replacement project can now be found using these links. I have forwarded pictures to Chris as requested. The links below are pdf downloads with pictures.

http://mammothcondos.com/C-320-mixing-elbow-replacement

and

http://www.catalina320.com/mediagallery/download.php?mid=20150926070241130


On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 6:45 AM, danny jensen <danny at jensenshouse.com>
wrote:

> I have commented on this subject before so I hope you all don't mind 
> my re-post on this subject. My impression is that mufflers need to be 
> replaced proactively every 10 years along with mixing elbows. This is 
> cheap insurance because you will float your floorboards and get soot 
> inside your boat. It is ugly. Just pay the $375 for a new muffler and 
> save yourself the aggravation.
>
> Here are the details of my mixing elbow / aqua lift muffler 
> replacement project.
>
> I have about 500 hours on a 2004 C320 with a Yanmar 3GM30F-YEU. The 
> mechanic recommended I change the mixing elbow in the next 12 months.  
> The U Mixing Elbow inside was corroded at the point where the raw cool 
> raw water mixes with exhaust. The riser appeared to be in good shape 
> but the two parts looked to be bonded together and my mechanic told me 
> to replace the entire assembly Elbow, riser and join. I read several 
> owners accounts of failed mixing elbows and mufflers / muffler 
> repairs. The lead time to get a muffler from Catalina was estimated to 
> be 2 months.  The general consensus was to replace the muffler after 
> about 10 years. Mufflers seem to fail mostly near the screw holes in 
> the corners. Some owners think this is due to vibration from the 
> engine exhaust hose. I used Jeff Hares rule and decided to replace the 
> muffler on my schedule instead of the boats schedule especially 
> because of  the 2 month lead time for the muffler. The cost of the muffler from Catalina was $374.
>
> I contacted Ken Roy at Catalina and gave him my hull number and some 
> pictures and dimensions of my existing muffler (it is for sale now). 
> Ken asked for some more dimensions. Ken sent me back a picture of the 
> muffler he proposed to make for me and requested payment. It took 
> about 2 months total to get the muffler.
> I ordered the gasket, mixing elbow, SS joint and riser exhaust from 
> Bayshore Marine(see below). Next, I considered the muffler vibration issue.
> Some owners felt that a hump hose would isolate the vibration from the 
> engine to the muffler.  The existing wet exhaust hose connecting 
> mixing elbow to muffler input was a 22 inch 2 in. id.  I decided 
> replace with 2 hose segments of more flexible trident corrugated 
> exhaust hose joined together with an exhaust hump hose I purchased from Catalina Direct.
>
> Here are the details. The procedure took about 3.5 hours including 
> driving home once.
>
> 1.        I turned off the raw water thru hull,  disconnected the 3/8 hose
> connection at the elbow, the 4 riser exhaust bolts came off with no 
> problem. Then I disconnected the elbow from the 2 in. exhaust hose. I 
> used a radiator hose pick to remove the hoses. They came right off 
> with no problem. Don’t sweat removing the hoses.
>
> 2.        I took the old elbow assembly home where I used it for reference
> to create the new assembly using a vise. I don’t believe you can 
> create the new assembly without the help of a vise and 2 large 
> adjustable 15 in wrenches. Don’t try to make the new assembly on your 
> boat! You will need to twist the 3/8 in input 180 degrees then you 
> will need to create the exact same angle as the old elbow by threading 
> the joint into the elbow and exhaust riser. I used high temperature 
> anti seize on the joint threads before assembly.
>
> 3.        I used a gasket scraper to easily remove the old gasket. Then I
> applied some high temp gasket seating material to both sides of the 
> new gasket and bolted the elbow assembly to the motor.
>
> 4.        I removed the 4 stainless screws securing the muffler to the
> boat and I removed the output exhaust hose from the old muffler using 
> the radiator hose pick. The hoses come off the muffler without any problem.
> The muffler comes out of the boat without any problem.
>
> 5.        I put the new muffler in place and connected the output exhaust
> hose without any issues. I found the screw holes on the new muffler 
> did not match the screw holes on the muffler.  I could get the 2 screw 
> holes forward to line up but then the aft screw holes with not align 
> with the existing holes. Access to the forward inboard screw is 
> somewhat limited so you will want to match the forward inboard screw 
> with the existing hole then use a drill motor to self tap new holes 
> with the muffler in place. The existing self tapping screws were in 
> good shape and I did not need to drill pilot holes, I just drove the 
> screws into the glass with the muffler in place after I screwed down 
> the forward screws. Apply a good amount of silicon grease to the muffler drain.
>
> 6.        I used a sawzall to cut an 8 in and 13 in segment of corrugated
> exhaust hose then I joined them with a hump hose using double hose 
> clamps on each side of the hump hose. Then I connected the hose to the 
> mixing elbow and the input side of the muffler.
>
> 7.        I turned on the thru hull and ran the engine. White fiberglass
> chips from the new muffler were spitting out the exhaust for a while. 
> No leaks. The hump hose appeared to do the job limiting vibration. I 
> left the rear engine cover off and took the boat out in open water and 
> ran the motor up 3000 RPM. I went below and to my surprise I saw smoke 
> coming from the exhaust riser side of the stainless steel joint nut!  
> No water. It appeared that the joint was oozing and burning 
> anti-seize.  After about 10 minutes this smoking stopped.  I’m 
> assuming this is normal but it spooked me. I’m going to put a co2 
> monitor in the aft cabin to make sure I don’t have gas leaks.
>
> Parts:
> bayshore marine:
> 128370-13201 gasket     $4.92
> 124070-13520 U mixing elbow    $169.33
> 128370-13610 riser exhaust     $130.39
> 104214-13580 joint                 $28.79
> Note:
> 27233-250000 plug            comes with 124070-13610
> 124070-13300 elbow 3/8    comes with 124070-13610
>
> Parts from Catalina Yachts (K... at catalinayachts.com)
> 1 Muffler $374 plus Shipping
>
> Parts from Catalina direct:
> High Temp Anti-Seize Compound (#Z2858): 1 Item Total: $15.95 Exhaust 
> Hump Hose 1-5/8"I.D X 6" (#Z2152): 1 Item Total: $31.49
>
> Tools Harbor Freight
> 8" Radiator Hose Pick $3.99
> Carbon/Gasket Scraper $2.99
> High Temp Gasket seating compound
>
> MMI Marine
> TRI252-2004
> TRIDENT CORRUGATED FLEX SAE J2006 MARINE WET EXHAUST HOSE (HARD WALL 
> WITH
> WIRE)  - 2 Feet  $15.00
> BUA70HSS36C
> BUCK HOSE CLAMPS S/S FROM 1 13/16" TO 2 3/4"        4 $8.00
>
> Danny Jensen
> A BOA VIDA
> Hull 972
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 6:33 PM, Jeff Hare <Catalina at thehares.com> wrote:
>
>> Greg,
>>
>> Catalina Yachts builds the boats of course,  but Catalina Direct is 
>> an independent company that specializes in sourcing parts for Catalina boats.
>> They are not affiliated with each other.  Ultimately, CD gets some 
>> parts from Catalina (like the mufflers, rudders, and other parts 
>> Catalina
>> manufactures) and the rest they order from the third party vendors 
>> that make or distribute them and act as a middleman.
>>
>> -Jeff
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Greg Flanagan
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 7:52 PM
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Aqua lift mufffer
>>
>> Thanks for all the helpful responses. One question Lora mentions 
>> Catalina Yachts and Larry mentions Catalina Direct (CD). Are these 
>> not different entities?
>>
>>
>> Greg
>> Hoop Dancer #1076
>> Sidney, BC
>>
>> > On Aug 9, 2015, at 10:10 AM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I would echo Larry. I am on my third muffler in 20 seasons.  The 
>> > original lasted about 13 years. I made the mistake of sending a 
>> > photo for the second one and got the wrong one but made it fit for 
>> > a couple years.  when it started leaking we tries several times and 
>> > ways to fix it but with little success.  The best way to order is 
>> > to contact the Catalina Yachts parts department by phone or email.  
>> > They have photos of all of the models of muffler they produced or 
>> > if not that, then by all means send them the original as they have 
>> > had several different configurations
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >     On Friday, August 7, 2015 6:37 PM, Larry Frank <
>> WindSwept at stx.rr.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Greg,
>> >
>> > Having an ³experienced² 320 I can tell you I could be considered an 
>> > expert on this, as much as anyone can be an expert on a boat issue.  
>> > I bet I have had 3 or 4 new mufflers plus have tried to fix them 
>> > too.  I have had all the leaks, flange, screw holes and inlet tube.  
>> > I am so lucky I need to buy more lottery tickets!  CD supplied the 
>> > last
>> replacement I purchased.
>> > They insisted I send them the failed muffler because there are many 
>> > the Catalina has used through the years.  They wanted to make sure 
>> > it would fit.  That is the good news.  They told me it could take 
>> > up to
>> > 12 weeks to get the replacement and they were correct.  Luckily I 
>> > had a spare that only leaked a little bit and could use that while 
>> > I waited.  The problem seems to be with Catalina and not CD so I 
>> > don¹t think it would help to be demanding of them.
>> >
>> > If it is a screw hole leak it is worth a try to fix it.  I did and 
>> > was not successful, but you might have better luck.
>> >
>> > Larry
>> > WindSwept
>> > Catalina 320 #246
>> >
>> >> On 8/7/15, 10:37 AM, "Greg Flanagan" <greg.flanagan at shaw.ca> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> My muffler is leaking at the base when the engine is running (not 
>> >> a great amount). The engine is a Yanmar 3YM30.
>> >> Has anyone experience in fixing this? Should it just be replaced? 
>> >> Who supplies one?
>> >> Catalina Direct does not seem to have the right model for this 
>> >> engine configuration.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Greg
>> >> Hoop Dancer # 1086
>> >> Sidney, BC
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>




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