[C320-list] Halyard replacement

[swampcreek42]

Great idea about storing the halyards in the mast off season!!!! I would RATHER tie the shackle with a knot as long as the Samson XLS Extra will hold it. After looking into all this at least I know exactly why the 7/16 jib halyard is getting stuck up there.
Bruce Hunter Nauti Time #719 


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From: Jeff Hare <Catalina at thehares.com> 
Date: 04/03/2016  10:23 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com 
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Halyard replacement 

Of course, everyone has their preference, so I'll share mine.   I have always just used a bowline closed up tight with the tail looped back into a half hitch.   I like the bowline because:
-  it'll never come undone, yet is *so* easy to remove no matter how hard it's been pulled on
-  having a fairly FAT knot at the shackle means that there's no chance it gets pulled into the shiev.
-  Over the years, I've cut off couple inches of the end and re-whipped it to allow the shackle to use a fresh part of the line, and also to have the part of the halyard that sits on the shiev shifted to avoid wear on exactly the same spot.  Only takes a couple inches removed to do this.  It's been enough to do this twice in the last 8 or 9 years.

When we winter our boat, we always tie the aft halyards together into a fist-sized knot with a smaller diameter Messenger line attached.  Then hoist the halyards to the top of the mast (knots and because both lines are tied together keep them from going into the mast.   The messenger line gets wrapped around the backstay a dozen times or so (may-pole style) then attached to the aft rail.  We do the same thing for our Genoa & Spinnaker halyards.  This keeps the halyards inside the mast and under our winter cover to protect them from UV and weather damage over the winter.  

Maybe it's not a bad idea if you're in hot sunny climate and are not going to be on the boat for a decent length of time, too.   Our halyards are in great shape still.  The Genoa/Spinnaker and topping lift are Factory lines, and the Main halyard is Yale Crystaline from back in 2004-ish.

-Jeff Hare
2001 #809


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So I've decided on Samson XLS Extra, NOW to splice or use a halyard hitch, a halyard hitch looks appealing but will Samson XLS hold a knot? I'm reading both yes and no. Also, since the jib halyard is fairly new but it's 7/16 diameter and spliced eye are hanging up in the sheive I might cut the splice and use the halyard hitch in that one.


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From: tharrison at innovations-plus.com
Date: 04/01/2016  12:41 PM  (GMT-05:00)
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Halyard replacement 

Thanks for sharing this information. Here a cool website.

http://www.animatedknots.com

What knot do you use to tie your sheets to the Genoa?

Ted Harrison
Whitby, Ont

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From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Clark
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 3:15 AM
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Subject: Re: [C320-list] Halyard replacement

If you don't want to splice, there's a neater knot for this that takes less space enabling the head of the sail to get right to the masthead without the knot fouling the sheaves first!

It's called a halyard knot and a quick google on that will bring up various versions. I prefer the Selden halyard knot as the bitter end lies flatter.

 Depends if you have the tall mast version maybe but 115ft is way too much but gives excess for trimming as discussed. The main halyard I just replaced was 101ft!

Graeme
England, no 366



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> On 1 Apr 2016, at 03:18, John Meyers <jcmeyers7 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I replaced mine a few years back. There is so much extra that I cut 8 
> inches off every year because the spot where the lever that holds it 
> gets worn. I use a bowline to attach the halyard to the shackle that 
> attaches to the head.
> 
> John Meyers
> Wind Chime #406
> Muskegon, Mi
> 
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 7:28 PM, Charles Mueller 
> <katchu at chartermi.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> They charged me for 117', with a little extra for the eye splice.  So
115'
>> is accurate.
>> Chuck Mueller
>> Northwind #676
>> 
>> 
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 13:06:52 -0400
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>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
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>> 
>> The manual states 115', other cordage sites state differently, do you 
>> remember if this was the size?
>> 
>> 
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>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Charles Mueller <katchu at chartermi.net>
>> Date: 03/30/2016  5:55 PM  (GMT-05:00)
>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I replaced mine a few years ago and used Samson XLS Extra T.? It's a 
>> lot less expensive than the lines you mentioned, but still very low
stretch.?
>> As
>> I recall, bought them through Defender.
>> Chuck Mueller
>> Northwind #676
>> Holland, MI
>> 
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 13:11:12 -0400
>> From: swampcreek42 <swampcreek42 at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, 320 <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Time To Replace Halyards
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>> It's time to replace my main and jib halyard. The main is starting to 
>> chafe so that's definitely getting changed. The jib halyard was 
>> recently replaced by the PO but is a larger diameter of 7/16s (?) and 
>> gets hung up when taking the sail down at the end of the season.
>> Anyway, I have found a BUNCH of choices, regular Samson, New England 
>> V100, T900, Endura, etc. (Currently looking hard at NE V-100). I'm 
>> posting here for advice from anyone who has done this and what 
>> experience or suggestions would they have before I spend some major 
>> cash on something I might regret later.
>> Thanks,Bruce Hunter?Nauti Time #719?
>> 
>> 
>>