[C320-list] Water Heater
William Russell
russellw at oacsd.org
Wed Apr 6 07:20:15 PDT 2016
Is there a valve controlling engine fluid circulating through the water heater to heat the water?
Bill Russell
"Little Wing," 1998 Catalina 320, #545
Ithaca, NY
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1. Re: Water heater (jbrown5093 at yahoo.com)
2. Re: Halyard replacement (swampcreek42)
3. Re: Water heater (swampcreek42)
4. Re: Halyard replacement (Jeff Hare)
5. Re: Halyard replacement (swampcreek42)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 18:09:05 -0400
From: jbrown5093 at yahoo.com
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Water heater
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Thanks for all the suggestions. Alan's method worked well. I was trying to get the air out with the cap on ant then opening it up to add fluid and it didn't work that way. The yanmar doesn't have a bleed valve but does have a tiny hole in the thermostat that might perform that function but I don't know.
Jim brown
Sent from my iPad
> On Apr 2, 2016, at 9:56 AM, JJ Morrison <sail-ability at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> There is a lever valve on the top starboard side of the OEM water heater on the 320...at least there is on mine. I've never had a problem filling the water heater; I always make sure there is plenty of water in the fresh water tanks and then turn on the hot water faucet in the galley. The water heater will fill up and any air will discharge out the fawcett. Heater is full when you get a continuous stream from the fawcett. I only ever open the hot water tank valve when I drain the tank for winterization.JohnM1999#574
>
>> From: artstree at aol.com
>> Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 09:39:48 -0400
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Water heater
>>
>> I just got our 320 so am still learning on the engine. The Catalina 28 has a Universal engine, which has a petcock on top of the thermostat housing to bleed air out of the system and one near the water heater. The C-28 water heater is much higher than the on the 320 so the 320 may not have one on the water heater. Check to see if you have an air relief on the engine some where.
>>
>> I am headed to the boat next week to start to de-winterize. Four more weeks of storage for me.
>>
>> Art Harden
>> Tortuga Catalina 320
>> 937-477-5544 (m)
>>
>>> On Apr 1, 2016, at 3:30 PM, Allan S Field <allan.field at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jim - This is very common. Open the relief cap on the top of the engine,
>>> pour fluid in until you can see it, leave the cap off, and run the engine
>>> again for a few minutes. Then replace the cap, assuming the fluid level
>>> remained constant, and run the engine again. That should resolve the
>>> problem but if not, repeat until it does. You just need to purge the air
>>> out of the hot water hoses.
>>>
>>> Allan S. Field
>>> Sea Shadow - #808
>>> Columbia, MD
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Jbrown5093
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 8:04 PM
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Water heater
>>>
>>> Replaced water heater and now have overheating engine problem Engine how to
>>> 190 and alarms. Infrared temp confirms 190. Suspect an air lock but how do
>>> you get it air free? I also didn't pay attention to how I hooked up the new
>>> hoses but can't see that there should be a directional flow through heater.
>>> It does look goof however
>>>
>>> Jim brown
>>> Yanmar. 2004
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Mar 31, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Charles Mueller <katchu at chartermi.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> They charged me for 117', with a little extra for the eye splice. So 115'
>>>> is accurate.
>>>> Chuck Mueller
>>>> Northwind #676
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Message: 7
>>>> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 13:06:52 -0400
>>>> From: swampcreek42 <swampcreek42 at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
>>>> Message-ID: <3t93b1pi405nh7dsn54jdsre.1459444012093 at email.android.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The manual states 115', other cordage sites state differently, do you
>>>> remember if this was the size?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: Charles Mueller <katchu at chartermi.net>
>>>> Date: 03/30/2016 5:55 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I replaced mine a few years ago and used Samson XLS Extra T.? It's a
>>>> lot less expensive than the lines you mentioned, but still very low
>>>> stretch.? As I recall, bought them through Defender.
>>>> Chuck Mueller
>>>> Northwind #676
>>>> Holland, MI
>>>>
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 13:11:12 -0400
>>>> From: swampcreek42 <swampcreek42 at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, 320 <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Time To Replace Halyards
>>>> Message-ID: <lg33qo7awrooen5iodd2orys.1459357872452 at email.android.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> It's time to replace my main and jib halyard. The main is starting to
>>>> chafe so that's definitely getting changed. The jib halyard was
>>>> recently replaced by the PO but is a larger diameter of 7/16s (?) and
>>>> gets hung up when taking the sail down at the end of the season.
>>>> Anyway, I have found a BUNCH of choices, regular Samson, New England
>>>> V100, T900, Endura, etc. (Currently looking hard at NE V-100). I'm
>>>> posting here for advice from anyone who has done this and what
>>>> experience or suggestions would they have before I spend some major cash
>>> on something I might regret later.
>>>> Thanks,Bruce Hunter?Nauti Time #719?
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2016 19:25:05 -0400
From: swampcreek42 <swampcreek42 at yahoo.com>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
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So I've decided on Samson XLS Extra, NOW to splice or use a halyard hitch, a halyard hitch looks appealing but will Samson XLS hold a knot? I'm reading both yes and no. Also, since the jib halyard is fairly new but it's 7/16 diameter and spliced eye are hanging up in the sheive I might cut the splice and use the halyard hitch in that one.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: tharrison at innovations-plus.com
Date: 04/01/2016 12:41 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
Thanks for sharing this information. Here a cool website.
http://www.animatedknots.com
What knot do you use to tie your sheets to the Genoa?
Ted Harrison
Whitby, Ont
-----Original Message-----
From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf
Of Graeme Clark
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 3:15 AM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
If you don't want to splice, there's a neater knot for this that takes less
space enabling the head of the sail to get right to the masthead without the
knot fouling the sheaves first!
It's called a halyard knot and a quick google on that will bring up various
versions. I prefer the Selden halyard knot as the bitter end lies flatter.
Depends if you have the tall mast version maybe but 115ft is way too much
but gives excess for trimming as discussed. The main halyard I just replaced
was 101ft!
Graeme
England, no 366
Sent from mobile: please excuse typos etc.!
> On 1 Apr 2016, at 03:18, John Meyers <jcmeyers7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I replaced mine a few years back. There is so much extra that I cut 8
> inches off every year because the spot where the lever that holds it
> gets worn. I use a bowline to attach the halyard to the shackle that
> attaches to the head.
>
> John Meyers
> Wind Chime #406
> Muskegon, Mi
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 7:28 PM, Charles Mueller
> <katchu at chartermi.net>
> wrote:
>
>> They charged me for 117', with a little extra for the eye splice.? So
115'
>> is accurate.
>> Chuck Mueller
>> Northwind #676
>>
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 13:06:52 -0400
>> From: swampcreek42 <swampcreek42 at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
>> Message-ID:
>> <3t93b1pi405nh7dsn54jdsre.1459444012093 at email.android.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>>
>>
>> The manual states 115', other cordage sites state differently, do you
>> remember if this was the size?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Charles Mueller <katchu at chartermi.net>
>> Date: 03/30/2016? 5:55 PM? (GMT-05:00)
>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
>>
>>
>>
>> I replaced mine a few years ago and used Samson XLS Extra T.? It's a
>> lot less expensive than the lines you mentioned, but still very low
stretch.?
>> As
>> I recall, bought them through Defender.
>> Chuck Mueller
>> Northwind #676
>> Holland, MI
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 13:11:12 -0400
>> From: swampcreek42 <swampcreek42 at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, 320 <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Time To Replace Halyards
>> Message-ID:
>> <lg33qo7awrooen5iodd2orys.1459357872452 at email.android.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> It's time to replace my main and jib halyard. The main is starting to
>> chafe so that's definitely getting changed. The jib halyard was
>> recently replaced by the PO but is a larger diameter of 7/16s (?) and
>> gets hung up when taking the sail down at the end of the season.
>> Anyway, I have found a BUNCH of choices, regular Samson, New England
>> V100, T900, Endura, etc. (Currently looking hard at NE V-100). I'm
>> posting here for advice from anyone who has done this and what
>> experience or suggestions would they have before I spend some major
>> cash on something I might regret later.
>> Thanks,Bruce Hunter?Nauti Time #719?
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2016 21:01:25 -0400
From: swampcreek42 <swampcreek42 at yahoo.com>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Water heater
Message-ID: <bry9pt7ehtk26j1u4yhoi1gr.1459645285411 at email.android.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
You should simply fill the engine through the filler cap at the top of the engine, BUT FIRST when you replaced the water heater the hoses to and from the water heater from the engine should have been filled by pouring coolant into one hose until it came out the other then quickly attach to fittings on the engine. put cap on, run up and start engine, run back down open filler cap and add as needed. Sometimes you might get an air bubble anyway and the engine will heat up and sound an alarm, simply shut it off, top off of needed and restart after about 20 minutes giving the engine time to settle and any added coolant time to warm up. The momentary high heat won't hurt the engine if you shut it down right away.?
I switched from green coolant to the Yanmar Red coolant last Summer and flushed my motor 9 times, sometimes it would heat up as you described, sometimes not. It always worked itself out though. I think in my case the motor being warm with colder coolant in it would close the thermostat and restrict flow or simply an air bubble. Even when changing out the green stuff in previous years the temp Guage seemed to wander until I took it out for a good run....while CLOSELY watching the temp guage!
Bruce HunterNauti Time #719?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: jbrown5093 at yahoo.com
Date: 04/02/2016 6:09 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Water heater
Thanks for all the suggestions. Alan's method worked well. I was trying to get the air out with the cap on ant then opening it up to add fluid and it didn't work that way. The yanmar doesn't have a bleed valve but does have a tiny hole in the thermostat that might perform that function but I don't know.
Jim brown
Sent from my iPad
> On Apr 2, 2016, at 9:56 AM, JJ Morrison <sail-ability at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> There is a lever valve on the top starboard side of the OEM water heater on the 320...at least there is on mine. I've never had a problem filling the water heater; I always make sure there is plenty of water in the fresh water tanks and then turn on the hot water faucet in the galley. The water heater will fill up and any air will discharge out the fawcett. Heater is full when you get a continuous stream from the fawcett. I only ever open the hot water tank valve when I drain the tank for winterization.JohnM1999#574
>
>> From: artstree at aol.com
>> Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 09:39:48 -0400
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Water heater
>>
>> I just got our 320 so am still learning on the engine. The Catalina 28 has a Universal engine, which has a petcock on top of the thermostat housing to bleed air out of the system and one near the water heater. The C-28 water heater is much higher than the on the 320 so the 320 may not have one on the water heater. Check to see if you have an air relief on the engine some where.
>>
>> I am headed to the boat next week to start to de-winterize. Four more weeks of storage for me.
>>
>> Art Harden
>> Tortuga Catalina 320
>> 937-477-5544 (m)
>>
>>> On Apr 1, 2016, at 3:30 PM, Allan S Field <allan.field at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jim - This is very common.? Open the relief cap on the top of the engine,
>>> pour fluid in until you can see it, leave the cap off, and run the engine
>>> again for a few minutes.? Then replace the cap, assuming the fluid level
>>> remained constant, and run the engine again.? That should resolve the
>>> problem but if not, repeat until it does.? You just need to purge the air
>>> out of the hot water hoses.
>>>
>>> Allan S. Field
>>> Sea Shadow - #808
>>> Columbia, MD
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Jbrown5093
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 8:04 PM
>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>> Subject: [C320-list] Water heater
>>>
>>> Replaced water heater and now have overheating engine problem? Engine how to
>>> 190 and alarms. Infrared temp confirms 190.? Suspect an air lock but how do
>>> you get it air free?? I also didn't pay attention to how I hooked up the new
>>> hoses but can't see that there should be a directional flow through heater.
>>> It does look goof however
>>>
>>> Jim brown
>>> Yanmar. 2004
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Mar 31, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Charles Mueller <katchu at chartermi.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> They charged me for 117', with a little extra for the eye splice.? So 115'
>>>> is accurate.?
>>>> Chuck Mueller
>>>> Northwind #676
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Message: 7
>>>> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 13:06:52 -0400
>>>> From: swampcreek42 <swampcreek42 at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
>>>> Message-ID: <3t93b1pi405nh7dsn54jdsre.1459444012093 at email.android.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The manual states 115', other cordage sites state differently, do you
>>>> remember if this was the size?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: Charles Mueller <katchu at chartermi.net>
>>>> Date: 03/30/2016? 5:55 PM? (GMT-05:00)
>>>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I replaced mine a few years ago and used Samson XLS Extra T.? It's a
>>>> lot less expensive than the lines you mentioned, but still very low
>>>> stretch.? As I recall, bought them through Defender.
>>>> Chuck Mueller
>>>> Northwind #676
>>>> Holland, MI
>>>>
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 13:11:12 -0400
>>>> From: swampcreek42 <swampcreek42 at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, 320 <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Time To Replace Halyards
>>>> Message-ID: <lg33qo7awrooen5iodd2orys.1459357872452 at email.android.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>
>>>> It's time to replace my main and jib halyard. The main is starting to
>>>> chafe so that's definitely getting changed. The jib halyard was
>>>> recently replaced by the PO but is a larger diameter of 7/16s (?) and
>>>> gets hung up when taking the sail down at the end of the season.
>>>> Anyway, I have found a BUNCH of choices, regular Samson, New England
>>>> V100, T900, Endura, etc. (Currently looking hard at NE V-100). I'm
>>>> posting here for advice from anyone who has done this and what
>>>> experience or suggestions would they have before I spend some major cash
>>> on something I might regret later.
>>>> Thanks,Bruce Hunter?Nauti Time #719?
>????????????????????????
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 10:23:15 -0400
From: "Jeff Hare" <Catalina at thehares.com>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
Message-ID: <004701d18db4$5d29b860$177d2920$@thehares.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Of course, everyone has their preference, so I'll share mine. I have always just used a bowline closed up tight with the tail looped back into a half hitch. I like the bowline because:
- it'll never come undone, yet is *so* easy to remove no matter how hard it's been pulled on
- having a fairly FAT knot at the shackle means that there's no chance it gets pulled into the shiev.
- Over the years, I've cut off couple inches of the end and re-whipped it to allow the shackle to use a fresh part of the line, and also to have the part of the halyard that sits on the shiev shifted to avoid wear on exactly the same spot. Only takes a couple inches removed to do this. It's been enough to do this twice in the last 8 or 9 years.
When we winter our boat, we always tie the aft halyards together into a fist-sized knot with a smaller diameter Messenger line attached. Then hoist the halyards to the top of the mast (knots and because both lines are tied together keep them from going into the mast. The messenger line gets wrapped around the backstay a dozen times or so (may-pole style) then attached to the aft rail. We do the same thing for our Genoa & Spinnaker halyards. This keeps the halyards inside the mast and under our winter cover to protect them from UV and weather damage over the winter.
Maybe it's not a bad idea if you're in hot sunny climate and are not going to be on the boat for a decent length of time, too. Our halyards are in great shape still. The Genoa/Spinnaker and topping lift are Factory lines, and the Main halyard is Yale Crystaline from back in 2004-ish.
-Jeff Hare
2001 #809
-----Original Message-----
From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of swampcreek42
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 7:25 PM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
So I've decided on Samson XLS Extra, NOW to splice or use a halyard hitch, a halyard hitch looks appealing but will Samson XLS hold a knot? I'm reading both yes and no. Also, since the jib halyard is fairly new but it's 7/16 diameter and spliced eye are hanging up in the sheive I might cut the splice and use the halyard hitch in that one.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: tharrison at innovations-plus.com
Date: 04/01/2016 12:41 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
Thanks for sharing this information. Here a cool website.
http://www.animatedknots.com
What knot do you use to tie your sheets to the Genoa?
Ted Harrison
Whitby, Ont
-----Original Message-----
From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Graeme Clark
Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 3:15 AM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
If you don't want to splice, there's a neater knot for this that takes less space enabling the head of the sail to get right to the masthead without the knot fouling the sheaves first!
It's called a halyard knot and a quick google on that will bring up various versions. I prefer the Selden halyard knot as the bitter end lies flatter.
Depends if you have the tall mast version maybe but 115ft is way too much but gives excess for trimming as discussed. The main halyard I just replaced was 101ft!
Graeme
England, no 366
Sent from mobile: please excuse typos etc.!
> On 1 Apr 2016, at 03:18, John Meyers <jcmeyers7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I replaced mine a few years back. There is so much extra that I cut 8
> inches off every year because the spot where the lever that holds it
> gets worn. I use a bowline to attach the halyard to the shackle that
> attaches to the head.
>
> John Meyers
> Wind Chime #406
> Muskegon, Mi
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 7:28 PM, Charles Mueller
> <katchu at chartermi.net>
> wrote:
>
>> They charged me for 117', with a little extra for the eye splice. So
115'
>> is accurate.
>> Chuck Mueller
>> Northwind #676
>>
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 13:06:52 -0400
>> From: swampcreek42 <swampcreek42 at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
>> Message-ID:
>> <3t93b1pi405nh7dsn54jdsre.1459444012093 at email.android.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>>
>>
>> The manual states 115', other cordage sites state differently, do you
>> remember if this was the size?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Charles Mueller <katchu at chartermi.net>
>> Date: 03/30/2016 5:55 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
>>
>>
>>
>> I replaced mine a few years ago and used Samson XLS Extra T.? It's a
>> lot less expensive than the lines you mentioned, but still very low
stretch.?
>> As
>> I recall, bought them through Defender.
>> Chuck Mueller
>> Northwind #676
>> Holland, MI
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 13:11:12 -0400
>> From: swampcreek42 <swampcreek42 at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, 320 <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Time To Replace Halyards
>> Message-ID:
>> <lg33qo7awrooen5iodd2orys.1459357872452 at email.android.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> It's time to replace my main and jib halyard. The main is starting to
>> chafe so that's definitely getting changed. The jib halyard was
>> recently replaced by the PO but is a larger diameter of 7/16s (?) and
>> gets hung up when taking the sail down at the end of the season.
>> Anyway, I have found a BUNCH of choices, regular Samson, New England
>> V100, T900, Endura, etc. (Currently looking hard at NE V-100). I'm
>> posting here for advice from anyone who has done this and what
>> experience or suggestions would they have before I spend some major
>> cash on something I might regret later.
>> Thanks,Bruce Hunter?Nauti Time #719?
>>
>>
>>
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2016 11:15:18 -0400
From: swampcreek42 <swampcreek42 at yahoo.com>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
Message-ID: <f2pw22xxmw5d8yg4oenrkf65.1459696518619 at email.android.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Great idea about storing the halyards in the mast off season!!!! I would RATHER tie the shackle with a knot as long as the Samson XLS Extra will hold it. After looking into all this at least I know exactly why the 7/16 jib halyard is getting stuck up there.
Bruce Hunter?Nauti Time #719?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------
From: Jeff Hare <Catalina at thehares.com>
Date: 04/03/2016 10:23 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
Of course, everyone has their preference, so I'll share mine.?? I have always just used a bowline closed up tight with the tail looped back into a half hitch.?? I like the bowline because:
-? it'll never come undone, yet is *so* easy to remove no matter how hard it's been pulled on
-? having a fairly FAT knot at the shackle means that there's no chance it gets pulled into the shiev.
-? Over the years, I've cut off couple inches of the end and re-whipped it to allow the shackle to use a fresh part of the line, and also to have the part of the halyard that sits on the shiev shifted to avoid wear on exactly the same spot.? Only takes a couple inches removed to do this.? It's been enough to do this twice in the last 8 or 9 years.
When we winter our boat, we always tie the aft halyards together into a fist-sized knot with a smaller diameter Messenger line attached.? Then hoist the halyards to the top of the mast (knots and because both lines are tied together keep them from going into the mast.?? The messenger line gets wrapped around the backstay a dozen times or so (may-pole style) then attached to the aft rail.? We do the same thing for our Genoa & Spinnaker halyards.? This keeps the halyards inside the mast and under our winter cover to protect them from UV and weather damage over the winter.?
Maybe it's not a bad idea if you're in hot sunny climate and are not going to be on the boat for a decent length of time, too.?? Our halyards are in great shape still.? The Genoa/Spinnaker and topping lift are Factory lines, and the Main halyard is Yale Crystaline from back in 2004-ish.
-Jeff Hare
2001 #809
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From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of swampcreek42
Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 7:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
???
So I've decided on Samson XLS Extra, NOW to splice or use a halyard hitch, a halyard hitch looks appealing but will Samson XLS hold a knot? I'm reading both yes and no. Also, since the jib halyard is fairly new but it's 7/16 diameter and spliced eye are hanging up in the sheive I might cut the splice and use the halyard hitch in that one.
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From: tharrison at innovations-plus.com
Date: 04/01/2016? 12:41 PM? (GMT-05:00)
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
Thanks for sharing this information. Here a cool website.
http://www.animatedknots.com
What knot do you use to tie your sheets to the Genoa?
Ted Harrison
Whitby, Ont
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Sent: Friday, April 1, 2016 3:15 AM
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If you don't want to splice, there's a neater knot for this that takes less space enabling the head of the sail to get right to the masthead without the knot fouling the sheaves first!
It's called a halyard knot and a quick google on that will bring up various versions. I prefer the Selden halyard knot as the bitter end lies flatter.
Depends if you have the tall mast version maybe but 115ft is way too much but gives excess for trimming as discussed. The main halyard I just replaced was 101ft!
Graeme
England, no 366
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> On 1 Apr 2016, at 03:18, John Meyers <jcmeyers7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I replaced mine a few years back. There is so much extra that I cut 8
> inches off every year because the spot where the lever that holds it
> gets worn. I use a bowline to attach the halyard to the shackle that
> attaches to the head.
>
> John Meyers
> Wind Chime #406
> Muskegon, Mi
>
> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 7:28 PM, Charles Mueller
> <katchu at chartermi.net>
> wrote:
>
>> They charged me for 117', with a little extra for the eye splice.? So
115'
>> is accurate.
>> Chuck Mueller
>> Northwind #676
>>
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 13:06:52 -0400
>> From: swampcreek42 <swampcreek42 at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
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>>
>>
>> The manual states 115', other cordage sites state differently, do you
>> remember if this was the size?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Charles Mueller <katchu at chartermi.net>
>> Date: 03/30/2016? 5:55 PM? (GMT-05:00)
>> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
>> Subject: [C320-list] Halyard replacement
>>
>>
>>
>> I replaced mine a few years ago and used Samson XLS Extra T.? It's a
>> lot less expensive than the lines you mentioned, but still very low
stretch.?
>> As
>> I recall, bought them through Defender.
>> Chuck Mueller
>> Northwind #676
>> Holland, MI
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 13:11:12 -0400
>> From: swampcreek42 <swampcreek42 at yahoo.com>
>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, 320 <C320-List at catalina320.com>
>> Subject: [C320-list] Time To Replace Halyards
>> Message-ID:
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> It's time to replace my main and jib halyard. The main is starting to
>> chafe so that's definitely getting changed. The jib halyard was
>> recently replaced by the PO but is a larger diameter of 7/16s (?) and
>> gets hung up when taking the sail down at the end of the season.
>> Anyway, I have found a BUNCH of choices, regular Samson, New England
>> V100, T900, Endura, etc. (Currently looking hard at NE V-100). I'm
>> posting here for advice from anyone who has done this and what
>> experience or suggestions would they have before I spend some major
>> cash on something I might regret later.
>> Thanks,Bruce Hunter?Nauti Time #719?
>>
>>
>>
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