[C320-list] Water Muffler
WINDER & KIRONDE
wcwinder at comcast.net
Thu Apr 28 07:13:21 PDT 2016
Wow, Pat, you have an older 320 than my hull number 97. I assume you
have tested the muffler by putting some water into it and applying
some pressure. Where is it leaking? To insure you get the right
configuration for the tight space the muffler occupies you MUST send
it to Catalina. I sent multiple drawings with measurements to Catalina
and they got it wrong. So I sent the old "aqualift muffler" and the
new one back. On the second try they got it right, but the new one
leaked after I installed it even though Catalina said they had tested
it. It turns out that the must have tested it before drilled the four
holes in the corners as the leak was coming from around one of the
drilled holes. Rather than send it back I drilled the hole to a
larger diameter and filled the hole with epoxy. When the epoxy set up
I drilled a new screw hole through the epoxy and I have not had any
leaks since. Before sending your muffler to Catalina you might try
what I did with the 4 holes.
Bill Winder
INDIGO #97
Catalina 320
Winthrop MA
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 19:54:26 +0000 (UTC)
From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Water muffler
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I had the same problem.? I contacted Catalina parts dept and the
gentleman there emailed me photos of the different models of muffler
they have had over the years?I was able to pick out the one for my
1995 320
On Sunday, April 17, 2016 2:21 PM, Jeffrey Brown
<oceanblues at mac.com> wrote:
My boat has original water muffler, 22 years, and I've battled leaks
in it several times and now prepared to replace it. I recall Catalina
in Florida will replace it but they require you send the old one to
them to match it. Prefer not to be without an engine for three weeks.
Anyone replace theirs using alternative options?
Hull 78
Jeff Brown
949-350-5123
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 18:10:45 -0400
From: "Allan S Field" <allan.field at verizon.net>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Port List
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Is that the Dometic (spelling?) device? If so, we tried that to no
avail.
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From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On
Behalf Of Jeff Hare
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 1:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [C320-list] Port List
Do you have the electronic soft start device installed for your AC
unit? I world think that would do the trick.
Jeff
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"Allan S. Field" <allan.field at verizon.net> wrote:
> Hmmm, my Honda 2000 will NOT start a 12K CruisAir.
>
>
> On 04/24/16, swampcreek42<swampcreek42 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> A nice little Honda EU 2000i in the aft starboard locker helps a
little
> too...and it can run a Cruise Air 12,000 BTU unit! It is a tight
fit
> though.? Bruce Hunter? Nauti Time #719.?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Warren Updike <[1]wupdike at hotmail.com>
> Date: 04/23/2016 10:05 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: [2]C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Port List
> Bruce, I looked into lead shot as well and found it quite
expensive.
> The 125lb of used 3/8 chain I bought for about 1/2 list (I think
about
> $125.) It's not as compact as shot; but, will do the job at the
cost of
> some space. Problem was, I was getting barnacles on the gelcoat
above
> the water line.
> Warren and Pattie Updike
> 1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62
> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
> -----Original Message-----
> From: swampcreek42 [[3]mailto:swampcreek42 at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 9:03 PM
> To: [4]C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Port List
> ? ? ?
> I'm looking to get bags of lead shot...it's on the list of things
to
> do. :)Bruce Hunter Nauti Time #719
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Warren Updike <[5]wupdike at hotmail.com>
> Date: 04/22/2016? 5:27 PM? (GMT-05:00)
> To: [6]C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Port List
> We had a slight port list that was a tad annoying; but, otherwise
not a
> problem. It may have affected our windward performance a bit; but,
I
> can't be sure about that. We don't race so not a concern.
> After we installed A/C in the port locker we really had a port
list. I
> thought about ballasting but lead is quite expensive, can move
around,
> and where to put it. I found a place in Baltimore that makes a
cement
> ballast material; but, once pored, could be difficult to remove. I
then
> found a supply of old, surplus anchor chain and bought about
125lbs in
> 25ft lengths. This I put in the storage spaces on the starboard
side
> under cushions. We don't use these a lot and what we have there
fits
> easily on top of the chain. Also put 25ft in a bucket in the aft
stbd
> lazarett. The bucket stays in-place kept by fenders we store
there.
> Much less list now. I'm no longer considering adjusting the boot
> stripes.
> Warren and Pattie Updike
> 1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62
> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [7]millers1 at aol.com [[8]mailto:millers1 at aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 9:53 AM
> To: [9]C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Cc: [10]c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Buying a 320
> Doug,? ? Your comments on the C320 are comprehensive and should
be
> part of this site records.
> I noted your single-handing the boat and winch location comments.
So
> true !!
> I finally added a set of used winches that I can comfortably(and
> safely)
> control from the helm position.? I then run the main sheet (one
turn
> around the cabin top
> winch to guide it to one of the original primary winches and leave
the
> end of the main
> sheet on the seat near the helm.? I can reach it easily,? and
flip it
> on and off the winch as needed.
> This greatly improved the fun of sailing the boat (I single-hand
it
> most summer
> afternoons if it isn't on a cruise).
> I didn't see this comment come up yet, but there have been
discussions
> of an
> inherent list to Port(?) as I recall.? I have not experienced the
> problem and
> that may be because the PO installed a 3rd, 4D battery on the
Starboard
> side.
> Art? ? ? ?
> S/V Liberty,? #680
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Treff <[11]doug at treff.us>
> To: C320-List <[12]C320-List at catalina320.com>
> Cc: c320-list <[13]c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> Sent: Wed, Apr 20, 2016 9:01 am
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Buying a 320
> Daniel,
> The Catalina 320 is a fine vessel. As with any boat, there are
pluses
> and minuses with the design.
> Some things I love:
> 1. The Aft cabin - Having the Aft cabin really makes a huge
difference
> in the amount of space on board for accommodating guests. It also
> offers
> more privacy than other boats without this feature.
> 2. It's competitive compared to other models. I am continually
amazed
> how I can hang with larger boats when out sailing. Boats that
should
> have a speed advantage due to sail area and waterline length, yet
I can
> keep pace with them.
> 3. The Cockpit - nice and roomy for entertaining, and the large
wheel
> makes it easy to sit outboard and see around the cabin while
steering
> the boat. Bonus - the walk-through transom.
> 4. A full shower in the head. This is my first boat with a shower
and
> it
> was a huge selling point.
> Things I Don't love:
> 1. Aft Berth is side-loading - Whoever sleeps closest to the door
to
> the
> aft cabin will be disturbed when the other person needs to get up
in
> the
> middle of the night for any reason. Unfortunately, in this size
vessel,
> there's no other way to design an aft berth.
> 2. Cabin Storage Space - There is limited storage space on the
boat.
> Due
> to the location of the batteries and sewage tank, the starboard
settee
> is not very useful for storing things. I would never put food in
there
> and you really shouldn't pile a lot of stuff around the batteries.
> 3. Mainsheet location - When single-handing, I need to leave the
helm
> completely to tend the main sheet due to its location on the cabin
top.
> I generally don't like Hunters but one of the things I've admired
about
> them is the arch with the main sheet right at the helm station.
> 4. Primary Winch location - same as above... Placing the winches 2
feet
> further aft would have made all the difference for single-handing.
> 5. She rounds up easily. Due to the very wide aft cross-section,
when
> the boat heels too far, the rudder loses effectiveness, causing
the
> boat
> to round up, often resulting in an unexpected tack. Especially
> troublesome when considering 3 and 4 above - if single-handing,
you
> cannot dump the sails quickly while also tending the wheel. The
> solution
> is keep the heel under control through sail trim, and reef early.
> Recommend that whatever C320, you buy, make it a priority to
properly
> rig the reefing setup and practice using it so you can do it
> efficiently
> when needed.
> Things to look for in your prospective purchase:
> First of all, hire a competent marine surveyor in your area. Don't
rely
> on your broker to recommend one. Find someone who has no "skin in
the
> game". Many times, marina owners are a resource to tell you who is
a
> good surveyor. Your surveyor will look for all of the following,
but
> you
> can save some money by educating yourself and eliminating any
boats
> that
> have obvious problems. Your job here is to locate show-stoppers
that
> would cause you to not buy the boat. This will save you money
surveying
> multiple vessels.
> There are very few inherent problems that span across all C320
model
> years. She is a good example of a reliable production boat and
most
> survey problems are due to poor maintenance.
> 1. Is it clean and tidy, or a cluttered mess? Messy owners are
often
> lazy about proper maintenance.
> 2. Look for signs of leaks. Leaky decks can be a real problem once
the
> core gets wet and starts to delaminate. Water stains on wood
bulkheads
> and floors, drip spots or stains on upholstery. Feel the acorn
nuts in
> the cabin roof for water droplets. Look on those nuts for
discoloration
> or deposits that might indicate leaks. Examine the areas around
the
> chain plates and look for signs of water intrusion. Early models
of the
> C320 did not have solid fiberglass in the deck around the chain
plates.
> Some time later, they started doing solid Fiberglass in these
areas.
> Nobody has been able to definitely state when that change was
made.
> Anything that looks like it's been leaking for a long time is a
> potential serious problem. A good strategy is to examine the
interior
> of
> a boat within hours of a rain event. Not always possible, but it
helps.
> Walk the entire deck and feel for soft spots that indicate serious
> structural problems.
> 3. Use your nose. Does it smell like mildew, or sewage? Sewage
odors
> have many causes, but a weak design of the vent line is often a
cause
> of
> sewage odors in Catalinas. Easily repaired and is documented on
the
> C320
> site. Diesel odors? All these odors could be signs of potential
> problems
> - and of course each smell will have a specific cause. You'll want
to
> examine what could be causing any odors, because it could be
costly to
> clear up later. Pull up the floor boards and look for stagnant
water or
> signs of an oil slick on the bilge water. This could contribute
heavily
> to any odors, especially fuel or oil leaks. If you find oil or
fuel in
> the bilge, alert the marina manager and be sure not to turn on the
> bilge
> pump!
> Older 320's may be needing a fuel tank replacement. If you search
the
> 320 forum, you'll find discussions of fuel tank leaks over the
years.
> Consensus seems to be 15-25 years is about when the failures start
in
> Catalina aluminum tanks.
> 4. If your broker will allow it, pull the forward engine cover and
> examine the fiberglass drip pan under the engine, looking for any
> obvious signs of leaking. While you're looking at the engine,
check the
> belt tension, and just look over the engine. Most well cared-for
marine
> engines are (nearly) spotless, and show little sign of oil or
grease
> build-up. Yanmar paints everything including the hoses. If you're
> looking at a boat that is 20 years old and the hoses are painted
like
> the engine, there's a strong possibility that the hoses are 20
years
> old
> as well. Look at the raw water pump. Feel around on the underside
for
> any dripping water that could indicate a leaky system. Take a
white
> paper towel or rag and wipe around some of the joints in the
diesel
> fuel
> system. Off-Road diesel in the US is usually dyed pink and will
show up
> clearly on a clean white paper towel. You should not find any fuel
> leaks. Feel the bottom edge of the oil filter and see if it has
any oil
> drips forming.
> 5. If the boat is out of the water, walk the perimeter at ground
level
> and examine the rub rail from below. You are looking for any
> deformities
> that may indicate impact damage. The rub rail is made of aluminum
and
> will show bends and deformities where serious collisions may have
> occurred. These may also be potential leaks inside to examine
later.
> While you're down there, closely examine the propeller and shaft.
> looking for signs of pitting or corrosion that could indicate an
> electrolysis problem. Make note of excessive paint build-up or
peeling
> bottom paint, as this will be a job facing you at some point if
there's
> 10-20 years of paint built up.
> 6. Examine the hull for repair work and the deck as well. When
> anti-skid
> is repaired, it becomes quite obvious due to the intricate
pattern.
> Learn the standard anti-skid patterns of the C320 and question
anything
> that looks non-standard. We have a C320 locally (Annapolis) that
was
> heavily damaged in a storm and it's easy to see the repairs in the
deck
> if you know what to look for. When my friend was shopping last
year,
> this boat was for sale. Closely examine the transom area for
crazing
> where the swim ladder touches when lowered. There is a lot of
stress on
> this area when the ladder is being used.
> 7. After you've decided to make a purchase, make your offer
contingent
> on a successful survey and sea trial. Don't skip this step.
> 8. Have the engine surveyed by a diesel mechanic, including oil
> analysis. Many times this can be combined with sea trial and
survey
> day.
> Money well spent, and most marine surveyors are not engine
mechanics -
> they will usually clearly tell you so. Major engine work or
re-powering
> a sailboat is expensive and you want to know ahead of time, so you
can
> make an appropriate allowance in your offer.
> Another problem to watch is a leaking aqua-lift muffler box.
You'll
> need
> to have your mechanic check for this during the sea-trial. Not a
huge
> amount of water, but it can contribute to an exhaust odor in the
cabin
> over time.
> Hope all this helps,
> ---
> Doug Treff
> Catalina 320 - 1996 - September Song - #350
> [14]http://savvysailor.blogspot.com/
> [15]doug at treff.us
> On 2016-04-20 06:59, dandefrancesco wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> > I am in the process to take a look and probably buy a 320
catalina.
> > I am 6' 2" it is the headroom enough for my height?
> > The boat I am looking at is 1995.
> > Seems that has some leaks.
> > Any advice in what to look for ans informations about the 320
> > Will be really appreciated.
> > Thank you
> > Daniel.
> >
> > From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G
network.
>
>References
>
> 1. mailto:wupdike at hotmail.com
> 2. mailto:C320-List at Catalina320.com
> 3. mailto:swampcreek42 at yahoo.com
> 4. mailto:C320-List at Catalina320.com
> 5. mailto:wupdike at hotmail.com
> 6. mailto:C320-List at Catalina320.com
> 7. mailto:millers1 at aol.com
> 8. mailto:millers1 at aol.com
> 9. mailto:C320-List at Catalina320.com
> 10. mailto:c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> 11. mailto:doug at treff.us
> 12. mailto:C320-List at catalina320.com
> 13. mailto:c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> 14. http://savvysailor.blogspot.com/
> 15. mailto:doug at treff.us
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Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 10:57:45 +0000 (UTC)
From: Tim <chillinonahd at yahoo.com>
To: "c320-list at lists.catalina320.com"
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Thanks all for the feed back. Is there a tech write up on removal of
the coupling from the shaft? The research I've done mostly leads to
it's better to replace than take apart and reuse due to the tolerances
being impacted by rust. I've seen the alignment article when putting
it all back together.
Tim?Calypso320
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