[C320-list] Refrigerator drain
Tom Talling
ttalling at gmail.com
Tue Aug 16 15:27:37 PDT 2016
On my boat hull 978 the refrigerator is drained through a Y valve that's tied into the shower drain in the head. you switch the Y valve for the refrigerator from shower drain turn on the pump and it will drain the refrigerator.
Regards,
Tom Talling
215-262-1427
Please excuse my brevity.
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> 1. Re: Replacement of Refer Evaporator (Scott Thompson)
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> 3. Diesel/exhaust smell in odd places (Graeme Clark)
> 4. Re: Diesel/exhaust smell in odd places (Rick)
> 5. Re: Refrigerator drain (Art)
> 6. Re: Diesel/exhaust smell in odd places (Greg Flanagan)
> 7. Re: Diesel/exhaust smell in odd places (Ted Harrison)
> 8. Re: Diesel/exhaust smell in odd places (pat reynolds)
> 9. Re: Diesel/exhaust smell in odd places (Greg Flanagan)
> 10. Re: Refrigerator drain (Kaare Wold)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 15:54:03 -0400
> From: Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, C320 LIST POST
> <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Replacement of Refer Evaporator
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> That would make a great story, so I hope you will take pictures and
> document it!
>
>
>
>> On 8/15/2016 3:00 PM, jtamucci at comcast.net wrote:
>> I'm replacing the Dometic refer on my 1999 C320. Can anyone tell me
>> the best procedure to remove the evaporator and reun the new tubes to
>> the compressor? Are there any tech articles on this on the C320 site?
>> Thanks!
>> Joe Tamucci #619
>> Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 15:54:03 -0400
> From: Scott Thompson <surprise at thompson87.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com, C320 LIST POST
> <c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Replacement of Refer Evaporator
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> That would make a great story, so I hope you will take pictures and
> document it!
>
>
>
>> On 8/15/2016 3:00 PM, jtamucci at comcast.net wrote:
>> I'm replacing the Dometic refer on my 1999 C320. Can anyone tell me
>> the best procedure to remove the evaporator and reun the new tubes to
>> the compressor? Are there any tech articles on this on the C320 site?
>> Thanks!
>> Joe Tamucci #619
>> Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 21:08:11 +0100
> From: Graeme Clark <cg at skyflyer.co.uk>
> To: Catalina list <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] Diesel/exhaust smell in odd places
> Message-ID: <3284DD68-0D74-45AA-A1A2-7B9FDA41F4DE at skyflyer.co.uk>
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> After the engine has been running we notice a diesel-y exhaust-y smell in aft cabin and also under the galley sink when you open the door or a drawer
>
> I know the exhaust is not leaking this side of the muffler. Could it be a water leak from muffler or the actual exhaust hose? This would run down to bilges past the galley area I think
>
> Does "exhaust cooling water" pick up the smell like this?
>
> Or are all boats the same?
>
> Graeme
> #366 Jaskar
>
> Sent from mobile: please excuse typos etc.!
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 18:17:10 -0400
> From: "Rick" <rsulewski at bex.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Diesel/exhaust smell in odd places
> Message-ID: <000001d1f742$c538c7f0$4faa57d0$@bex.net>
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> Graeme,
> I suggest that you check the muffler for any breach evidence by looking for
> water leakage due to a crack in the fiberglass in and around the screws
> where the muffler is attached to the liner..... also check for cracks in the
> exhaust hose aft of the muffler as well as look for any wear points where
> the hose may be in contact with a friction point by observing where the
> exhaust hose may be in contact with the hull or the refer shelf while the
> exhaust hose is pulsing as the engine is running.
>
> While to date my hull #277 has not experienced a cracked muffler, I did have
> an exhaust hose friction point issue several years ago that was easily
> repaired, and just 2 years ago I had to replace the aging exhaust hose from
> the muffler to the hull portside exit. You may also have a manifold hose or
> clamp breach if your model requires that the elbow be periodically cleaned
> or replaced....
> Rick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf
> Of Graeme Clark
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 4:08 PM
> To: Catalina list
> Subject: [C320-list] Diesel/exhaust smell in odd places
>
> After the engine has been running we notice a diesel-y exhaust-y smell in
> aft cabin and also under the galley sink when you open the door or a drawer
>
> I know the exhaust is not leaking this side of the muffler. Could it be a
> water leak from muffler or the actual exhaust hose? This would run down to
> bilges past the galley area I think
>
> Does "exhaust cooling water" pick up the smell like this?
>
> Or are all boats the same?
>
> Graeme
> #366 Jaskar
>
> Sent from mobile: please excuse typos etc.!
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 18:32:35 -0400
> From: "Art" <Artstree at aol.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Refrigerator drain
> Message-ID: <009001d1f744$ebf45470$c3dcfd50$@aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Does anyone know how to access the drain on the refrigerator? I would like
> to capture it and pump it overboard. Even with the cold plate we use some
> ice, so we always have some water draining through to the bilge.
>
> Art Harden
> Tortuga -Catalina 320 #243
> 937-477-5544
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 19:42:59 -0600 (MDT)
> From: Greg Flanagan <greg.flanagan at shaw.ca>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Diesel/exhaust smell in odd places
> Message-ID: <5B6D1345-D5DE-40E1-B4BE-C48B4DCBC126 at shaw.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I have some experience to add on this topic. I just finished replacing my muffler after using the leaking one for all of last season and the start of this one. I had water leaking and all of the smells that Graeme has noted. I did not want to put my boat out of commission last year for the sailing season and ordered a new muffler from Catalina Yachts and had it aboard if things got too severe.
>
> First I stopped the auto bilge pump so I could see how much water was coming in and then pumped it out in manual. The amount of water per day gradually increased. Second, I got a carbon monoxide detector for the aft cabin. Although the smell was there the alarm was never triggered.
>
> This Spring I went to install the new muffler. Although it looked the same it was substantially different and could not possibly work. I contacted Catalina. They were stellar, especially Len in parts. I was going to ship them my old muffler so they could match it. Three problems. It was going to cost ~ $300Cdn to ship it. It was going to take weeks, and I would not be able to use the boat. So I worked up detailed drawings/pictures of the old muffler and emailed them to CY, and I put the old muffler back in and used the boat. With Len's help they built me a new muffler exactly the same as my old one. They had it ready and shipped in a week. It fit perfectly and works great. And best of all they did not charge me anything additional to my original purchase. And notably all of the smells are gone.
>
> One note. I installed the new muffler with self adhesive marine weather strips in the bottom edge of the muffler, where otherwise fibreglass meets fibreglass. I believe this will reduce the vibration that may wear these mufflers out. Also the engine seems much quieter. And not a drop in the bilge!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Greg
> Hoop Dancer #1076
> Sidney, BC
>
>> On Aug 15, 2016, at 1:08 PM, Graeme Clark <cg at skyflyer.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> After the engine has been running we notice a diesel-y exhaust-y smell in aft cabin and also under the galley sink when you open the door or a drawer
>>
>> I know the exhaust is not leaking this side of the muffler. Could it be a water leak from muffler or the actual exhaust hose? This would run down to bilges past the galley area I think
>>
>> Does "exhaust cooling water" pick up the smell like this?
>>
>> Or are all boats the same?
>>
>> Graeme
>> #366 Jaskar
>>
>> Sent from mobile: please excuse typos etc.!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 22:31:52 -0400
> From: Ted Harrison <tharrison at innovations-plus.com>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Diesel/exhaust smell in odd places
> Message-ID:
> <F4DD82A3-E249-4B1A-8FAD-A80A6C089E3D at innovations-plus.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Greg, I have a couple of questions.
>
> Would you be willing to share your diagrams and pictures sent to CY? If so please send.
>
> Did you put screws in the four corners ?
>
> Did you change the location of the drain?
>
> Thanks Ted
>
>
>
> Ted Harrison
>
>> On Aug 15, 2016, at 9:42 PM, Greg Flanagan <greg.flanagan at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>> I have some experience to add on this topic. I just finished replacing my muffler after using the leaking one for all of last season and the start of this one. I had water leaking and all of the smells that Graeme has noted. I did not want to put my boat out of commission last year for the sailing season and ordered a new muffler from Catalina Yachts and had it aboard if things got too severe.
>>
>> First I stopped the auto bilge pump so I could see how much water was coming in and then pumped it out in manual. The amount of water per day gradually increased. Second, I got a carbon monoxide detector for the aft cabin. Although the smell was there the alarm was never triggered.
>>
>> This Spring I went to install the new muffler. Although it looked the same it was substantially different and could not possibly work. I contacted Catalina. They were stellar, especially Len in parts. I was going to ship them my old muffler so they could match it. Three problems. It was going to cost ~ $300Cdn to ship it. It was going to take weeks, and I would not be able to use the boat. So I worked up detailed drawings/pictures of the old muffler and emailed them to CY, and I put the old muffler back in and used the boat. With Len's help they built me a new muffler exactly the same as my old one. They had it ready and shipped in a week. It fit perfectly and works great. And best of all they did not charge me anything additional to my original purchase. And notably all of the smells are gone.
>>
>> One note. I installed the new muffler with self adhesive marine weather strips in the bottom edge of the muffler, where otherwise fibreglass meets fibreglass. I believe this will reduce the vibration that may wear these mufflers out. Also the engine seems much quieter. And not a drop in the bilge!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Greg
>> Hoop Dancer #1076
>> Sidney, BC
>>
>>> On Aug 15, 2016, at 1:08 PM, Graeme Clark <cg at skyflyer.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> After the engine has been running we notice a diesel-y exhaust-y smell in aft cabin and also under the galley sink when you open the door or a drawer
>>>
>>> I know the exhaust is not leaking this side of the muffler. Could it be a water leak from muffler or the actual exhaust hose? This would run down to bilges past the galley area I think
>>>
>>> Does "exhaust cooling water" pick up the smell like this?
>>>
>>> Or are all boats the same?
>>>
>>> Graeme
>>> #366 Jaskar
>>>
>>> Sent from mobile: please excuse typos etc.!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:09:09 +0000 (UTC)
> From: pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com>
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Diesel/exhaust smell in odd places
> Message-ID:
> <901116474.17161512.1471356549892.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Ted,? When I replaced my muffler, Catalina Parts Dept.? emailed me several photos of mufflers they made and I was able to pick the replacement out
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2016 9:32 PM, Ted Harrison <tharrison at innovations-plus.com> wrote:
>
>
> Greg, I have a couple of questions.
>
> Would you be willing to share your diagrams and pictures sent to CY? If so please send.
>
> Did you put screws in the four corners ?
>
> Did you change the location of the drain?
>
> Thanks Ted
>
>
>
> Ted Harrison
>
>> On Aug 15, 2016, at 9:42 PM, Greg Flanagan <greg.flanagan at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>> I have some experience to add on this topic. I just finished replacing my muffler after using the leaking one for all of last season and the start of this one. I had water leaking and all of the smells that Graeme has noted. I did not want to put my boat out of commission last year for the sailing season and ordered a new muffler from Catalina Yachts and had it aboard if things got too severe.
>>
>> First I stopped the auto bilge pump so I could see how much water was coming in and then pumped it out in manual. The amount of water per day gradually increased. Second, I got a carbon monoxide detector for the aft cabin. Although the smell was there the alarm was never triggered.
>>
>> This Spring I went to install the new muffler. Although it looked the same it was substantially different and could not possibly work. I contacted Catalina. They were stellar, especially Len in parts. I was going to ship them my old muffler so they could match it. Three problems. It was going to cost ~ $300Cdn to ship it. It was going to take weeks, and I would not be able to use the boat. So I worked up detailed drawings/pictures of the old muffler and emailed them to CY, and I put the old muffler back in and used the boat. With Len's help they built me a new muffler exactly the same as my old one. They had it ready and shipped in a week. It fit perfectly and works great. And best of all they did not charge me anything additional to my original purchase.? And notably all of the smells are gone.
>>
>> One note. I installed the new muffler with self adhesive marine weather strips in the bottom edge of the muffler, where otherwise fibreglass meets fibreglass. I believe this will reduce the vibration that may wear these mufflers out. Also the engine seems much quieter. And not a drop in the bilge!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Greg
>> Hoop Dancer #1076
>> Sidney, BC
>>
>>> On Aug 15, 2016, at 1:08 PM, Graeme Clark <cg at skyflyer.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> After the engine has been running we notice a diesel-y exhaust-y smell in aft cabin and also under the galley sink when you open the door or a drawer
>>>
>>> I know the exhaust is not leaking this side of the muffler. Could it be a water leak from muffler or the actual exhaust hose? This would run down to bilges past the galley area I think
>>>
>>> Does "exhaust cooling water" pick up the smell like this?
>>>
>>> Or are all boats the same?
>>>
>>> Graeme
>>> #366 Jaskar
>>>
>>> Sent from mobile: please excuse typos etc.!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 08:43:11 -0600 (MDT)
> From: Greg Flanagan <greg.flanagan at shaw.ca>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Diesel/exhaust smell in odd places
> Message-ID: <524AF34B-983D-4C0F-B649-B6940CED7BFF at shaw.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi Ted,
>
> Yes I used 4 screws to secure the muffler. The old one only used two (aft). The muffler was predrilled for four. The forward two were tricky. I modified a drill bit to fit a spade bit extension to get by everything.
>
> I did not change the drain.
>
> I would be happy to provide my drawn over pictures. However, the process is probably more useful.
>
> Here is the main problem. 320s were built in California in a plant now closed. They kept no documents regarding muffler production. Now everything including parts is done out of Florida. Virtually every 320 has a one-off custom muffler, depending on a number of factors including the particular engine they installed. CY provided me confidentially 6 proprietary diagrams of replacement 320 mufflers. Not one was even close to mine, even though they look substantially the same.
>
> So the process:
> I removed the old muffler and labelled it on top and on each side A, F, P, & S. I took a picture of the top for orientation. On a bench I took a photo of each side as square to it that I could. Then in Word I inserted these photos. Using a tape measure, 2 squares, and an angle tool I measured all of the dimensions, overall height and width, the location of the holes including the centre distance from the base and each side. This needs judgement as these holes come out at angles. I then measured the angle of the input and output tubes both vertically and horizontally. Finally I stuck my tape in the tubes and measured their overall length and the revealed length. I then added all these measurements onto the photos in my word document using dimension lines and text box.
>
> I would NOT recommend choosing a muffler by "looks" from photos. My first effort resulted in a muffler that looked just like mine. But it could not be installed as the input/output tubes were not even close to mine. I would have had to reconfigure by bed deck and sleep with the outlet tube between my knees. Even worse-the outlet tube was overall only 6" (~3" inside) where mine is 13". This would have resulted in a muffler completely full of water all of the time.
>
> Cheers ,
>
> Greg
> Hoop Dancer #1076
> Sidney, BC
>
>
>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:09 AM, pat reynolds <lorasalum at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ted, When I replaced my muffler, Catalina Parts Dept. emailed me several photos of mufflers they made and I was able to pick the replacement out
>>
>> On Monday, August 15, 2016 9:32 PM, Ted Harrison <tharrison at innovations-plus.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Greg, I have a couple of questions.
>>
>> Would you be willing to share your diagrams and pictures sent to CY? If so please send.
>>
>> Did you put screws in the four corners ?
>>
>> Did you change the location of the drain?
>>
>> Thanks Ted
>>
>>
>>
>> Ted Harrison
>>
>>> On Aug 15, 2016, at 9:42 PM, Greg Flanagan <greg.flanagan at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have some experience to add on this topic. I just finished replacing my muffler after using the leaking one for all of last season and the start of this one. I had water leaking and all of the smells that Graeme has noted. I did not want to put my boat out of commission last year for the sailing season and ordered a new muffler from Catalina Yachts and had it aboard if things got too severe.
>>>
>>> First I stopped the auto bilge pump so I could see how much water was coming in and then pumped it out in manual. The amount of water per day gradually increased. Second, I got a carbon monoxide detector for the aft cabin. Although the smell was there the alarm was never triggered.
>>>
>>> This Spring I went to install the new muffler. Although it looked the same it was substantially different and could not possibly work. I contacted Catalina. They were stellar, especially Len in parts. I was going to ship them my old muffler so they could match it. Three problems. It was going to cost ~ $300Cdn to ship it. It was going to take weeks, and I would not be able to use the boat. So I worked up detailed drawings/pictures of the old muffler and emailed them to CY, and I put the old muffler back in and used the boat. With Len's help they built me a new muffler exactly the same as my old one. They had it ready and shipped in a week. It fit perfectly and works great. And best of all they did not charge me anything additional to my original purchase. And notably all of the smells are gone.
>>>
>>> One note. I installed the new muffler with self adhesive marine weather strips in the bottom edge of the muffler, where otherwise fibreglass meets fibreglass. I believe this will reduce the vibration that may wear these mufflers out. Also the engine seems much quieter. And not a drop in the bilge!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Greg
>>> Hoop Dancer #1076
>>> Sidney, BC
>>>
>>>> On Aug 15, 2016, at 1:08 PM, Graeme Clark <cg at skyflyer.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> After the engine has been running we notice a diesel-y exhaust-y smell in aft cabin and also under the galley sink when you open the door or a drawer
>>>>
>>>> I know the exhaust is not leaking this side of the muffler. Could it be a water leak from muffler or the actual exhaust hose? This would run down to bilges past the galley area I think
>>>>
>>>> Does "exhaust cooling water" pick up the smell like this?
>>>>
>>>> Or are all boats the same?
>>>>
>>>> Graeme
>>>> #366 Jaskar
>>>>
>>>> Sent from mobile: please excuse typos etc.!
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 13:27:56 -0500
> From: "Kaare Wold" <sailor3952 at charter.net>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Refrigerator drain
> Message-ID: <920D8D91E98943849B30DFF789B6E683 at WoldPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Under the head sink there is a diverter valve that you can select to pump
> out the shower drain sump or switch it to pump out the refrigerator sump.
> Turn the valve to the refrigerator side and use the pump switch located on
> the front of the head sink cabinet. Be sure to energize the panel board
> breaker for this particular pump.
> Kaare & Mary Wold
> Sheet Music #945
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Art" <Artstree at aol.com>
> To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 5:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Refrigerator drain
>
>
>> Does anyone know how to access the drain on the refrigerator? I would like
>> to capture it and pump it overboard. Even with the cold plate we use some
>> ice, so we always have some water draining through to the bilge.
>>
>> Art Harden
>> Tortuga -Catalina 320 #243
>> 937-477-5544
>
>
>
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