[C320-list] All 4D batteries are not the same

[Warren Updike]

Tom, I don't mean to intentionally rain on your parade; but, on the
assumption that the search for truth is always a worthy endeavor, read this:
http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/deep_cycle_battery 
This is not to say that you won't get good service out of your batteries. It
is a matter of how you use them and care for them.

Warren and Pattie Updike
1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62
Middle River, Chesapeake Bay

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Talling [mailto:ttalling at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:38 PM
To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 2658, Issue 2

Just bought new 4 d batteries for $120 each.  Last set like these lasted 7
years. 

http://www.pascobattery.com/precision-group-4d-1050-cca-1350-ca-12v-hd

Regards,

Tom Talling
215-262-1427
Ttalling at comcast.net

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>   1. Re: Perkins M30 Starter: follow-up (sailorlew at aol.com)
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> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 14:42:33 -0400
> From: sailorlew at aol.com
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> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Perkins M30 Starter: follow-up
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> I have a friend who has a Perkins M30 on his Beneteau. He wants to change
the fuel filters. Do you have any diagrams of where the bleed points are &
tips on how to do this.
> tx
> Lew
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
> To: C320-List <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 29, 2016 12:47 pm
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Perkins M30 Starter: follow-up
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> We have two 4D batteries in parallel for the house load and an auto
starting battery of about 550CCA. The 4Ds cost about $200 each. Your
requirements depend largely on how you use the boat and DC power. If you are
a weekend sailor, racer, and don't spend overnights on the boat or use the
refer heavily, then 4Ds are probably overkill. A separate starting battery
is more a backup issue not a requirement. 
> 
> The 4Ds (wired in parallel,) provide +/- 400 amp/hrs, enough for two
nights and a day at anchor without charging and without running batteries
below 50% SOC. This has happened to us a number of times due mostly to
weather while on extended cruises. Once, we were stuck in Solomon Is., MD
for 6 nights on a mooring. Then, we had to recharge every other day. 
> 
> Assess your usage and calculate the DC power load, then decide how to
provide that power.
> 
> Warren and Pattie Updike
> 1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62
> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Louis Spitz [mailto:aronella at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 11:18 AM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Perkins M30 Starter: follow-up
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> Can you tell me what battery yo uare using? I have enormous 4Ds, and they
are still servicible; when they needreplacement, I don?t want,to spend a
fortune. I could live 
> with $100!
> Thanks,
> Lou Spitz
> # 195 Merry Chase
> Nyack, NY
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>> On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Michael E. Mitch
<michael.eastwind at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Always a pleasure to listen to Warren
>>> On Jun 27, 2016 12:06 PM, "Warren Updike" <wupdike at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is a follow-up to my post of 5/29 re. Perkins M30 Starter.
>>> 
>>> I have to admit to another bone-headed oversight, my second this year.
>>> 
>>> It turns out, after removing the starter and having it serviced and
>>> reinstalling it, the real problem was. a dead starting battery. Why did
I
>>> not know this at the start? Because, I violated one of the most
fundamental
>>> rules in testing a battery: only test battery voltage when the battery
is
>>> at
>>> rest, meaning no charge or load for at least several hours, preferably
24.
>>> Of course, the fact that the battery was 9 years old didn't enter my
addled
>>> mind. So, each time I started the engine in our slip (connected to shore
>>> power, of course,) it started right up. After a few hours sailing, nada.
>>> 
>>> I'll make this short. There are two bolts holding the starter. I had to
>>> have
>>> a mechanic cut the head off one bolt as it wouldn't budge and became
>>> galled.
>>> Then, to actually remove it, a coolant hose had to be pulled as well as
the
>>> alternator. Space is tight, but got it done.
>>> 
>>> As a bonus, I got all the connections in the starting circuit
cleaned-up,
>>> and some needed cleaning.
>>> 
>>> I really don't regret pulling the starter as it is 22 years old. At
least I
>>> won't be losing sleep over that part for a while.
>>> 
>>> Total cost, about $150 service and parts, plus $100 for new battery.
Cheap
>>> as boat projects go.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for listening.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Warren and Pattie Updike
>>> 
>>> 1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62
>>> 
>>> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
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