[C320-list] Wash down pump

[jbrown5093 at yahoo.com]

I forgot to mention that a put in a strainer between the thru hull and the pump.
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> On Jul 20, 2016, at 9:09 PM, Jbrown5093 <jbrown5093 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> I used the clear "plastic" nylon reinforced hose like used for the sink drains. Not sure I'd trust whale fittings with all that pressure. Besides
> I know that the whale fittings are supposed to quick disconnect- but I guess for everybody but me.
> 
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>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 5:51 PM, Angus Henderson <rathlyn1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thx Jim. I appreciate your comments and advice. As a matter of interest did you use the plastic hose and whale fittings found elsewhere on the boat or just generic rubber hose.
>> 
>> Angus
>> Hull 999
>> 
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>>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:39 PM, jbrown5093 at yahoo.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not on the boat right now but I believe the pump is a Jabsco specifically advertised for wash down applications. It's going on 10 years now so I'm sure the model number has changed.  It's still working. It was placed pretty much where the macerator pump was located. I think half inch hose ran forward through both starboard lockers and then through the stb. bulkhead into the Stb. compartment in the forward cabin. From there it snakes by the water tank into the anchor locker where the wires to the windless are. You need to remove the piece above the shelf in the cabin to get access to that space.  Good time to check on the anchor motor connections. The faucet is just a small faucet with a garden hose connection. I use a short piece of hose with a high pressure nozzle.  So it's a pretty straight forward at least on hull 973
>>> 
>>> Couple of tips. Put in a way to drain the system easily at the pump. A bad head like smell in the v berth turned out to be stagnant foul water in the hose after only a couple of weeks. Double clamp everything even above the waterline at the faucet. I didn't do that one and it blew the first time I used it-lots of water from that pump-but the bilge pump worked. When a long hose wraps around the windless a couple of times you'll also get a short piece dedicated to wash down only! I also use only a plastic hose nozzle so I can just drop in on deck when I need to.
>>> 
>>> Since moving to NC I now have a new thru hull and pump both in the forward stb. Locker and re-plumed the tank with the macerator in the original location. Just in case I find us out 3miles.
>>> 
>>> Jim Brown
>>> 
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>>>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 2:30 PM, Angus Henderson <rathlyn1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Jim, I was thinking of doing the same thing with the mascerator thu hull. Being on Georgian Bay I have no need for it. I was wondering where you located the water pump and how you routed the piping to the anchor locker. 
>>>> 
>>>> Angus
>>>> Hull #999
>>>> 
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>>>>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 2:14 PM, jbrown5093 at yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> When our boat was on Lake Ontario we actually removed the macerator and plugged the holding tank outlet. We then used the thru hull for a wash down pump that came in handy. Easy to convert back if you move the boat. The wash down faucet is above the water line in the anchor locker.
>>>>> Jim Brown
>>>>> Desafinado
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>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 9:17 AM, Gary Magnuson <gary.magnuson at frontier.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello Karre, and Mary,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Glad to her that you have decided to close the macerator through hull. Since you boat on the great lakes, the Macerator and through hull is illegal to use.  You should have a placard  on board stating it is illegal to dump sewage anywhere in the great lakes. When I do Vessel Safety checks, that is one of the items on the check list. That thru hull should be closed and locked or have the handle removed such that it cannot be opened.  The DNR or the Coasties will be very very angry with you if they find it open or operable.   Just a "Heads Up".
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Gary Magnuson
>>>>>> Time A Weigh 205, Bayfield, WI
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 7/19/2016 9:29 PM, sailor3952 at charter.net wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks Jeff and others for your informative wisdom. I will simply
>>>>>>> keep the thruhull for the macerator CLOSED. End of problem. Your
>>>>>>> comments and advise have been most helpful. This group is awesome!
>>>>>>> Wish all of you were in the same marina! Thanks
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Kaare & Mary
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----------------------------------------From: "Jeff Hare"
>>>>>>> To:
>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>> Sent: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 21:11:04 -0400
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Holding Tank Flooding
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Nope I don't believe so. That anti-siphon is only for the head hoses
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> come from the thru-hull under the sink. There's no anti-siphon
>>>>>>> between the
>>>>>>> macerator pump and the holding tank. There's no check valve either,
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> only the macerator pump impeller that slows the water into the
>>>>>>> holding tank
>>>>>>> unless the macerator pump happens to be above the water line, don't
>>>>>>> know for
>>>>>>> sure.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Jeff
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of jbrown5093 at yahoo.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:45 PM
>>>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Holding Tank Flooding
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Wouldn't the anti siphon loop in the head cabinet prevent siphoning
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> either directions?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jim Brown
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Jeff Hare  wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I would not be surprised if you could sink your boat this way
>>>>>>> depending on
>>>>>>> how the hose leading from the head to the tank is routed and how good
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> head's duckbill is. If you pump out with the macerator thru-hull open
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> the head vent is at all clogged, the vacuum will pull seawater in
>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>> the macerator pump and water out of the head and could set up a
>>>>>>> siphon and
>>>>>>> will likely slowly fill your tank to the water line. I presume but
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>> know whether the rim of the head is above the water line. If not, the
>>>>>>> boat
>>>>>>> can be sunk this way.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Bottom line is that the macerator line does not have a vacuum
>>>>>>> breaker in
>>>>>>> it, so it can never be left open. When your tank is being pumped out
>>>>>>> through the deck fitting, I believe you always want that valve closed
>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -Jeff
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On
>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Kaare Wold
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 4:25 PM
>>>>>>>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: [C320-list] Holding Tank Flooding
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Skippers, Recently we noticed that our holding tank fills with
>>>>>>> water when
>>>>>>> at rest at the dock. At first, thought our dock attendants failed to
>>>>>>> pump
>>>>>>> out. We have an AccuGage digital monitor on all tanks. Love that
>>>>>>> setup!
>>>>>>>> We had the tank pumped, while we were present, and as the tank was
>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>> pumped out, I could see the AccuGage digital level drop from 3/4 to
>>>>>>> 1/2 down
>>>>>>> to empty. A couple days later, it was back to 3/4 full without any
>>>>>>> personal
>>>>>>> use whatsoever. The macerator thruhull had been open all the time,
>>>>>>> although
>>>>>>> we never use that device. All thruhull are opened for winter layup
>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>> never closed it after spring launch. I now closed the thruhull, had
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> tank pumped out again and.....bingo..., the tank remained empty. Any
>>>>>>> ideas
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> from our knowledgeable group??? Could there be a check valve in the
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> macerator pump that is leaking? Looking for some suggestions or
>>>>>>> comments
>>>>>>>> from someone that may have experienced the same problem. Thanks to
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> for your comments.
>>>>>>>> Kaare & Mary Wold
>>>>>>>> Sheet Music, #945 Sturgeon Bay, WI
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