[C320-list] heater problems
David Birken
davebirken at hotmail.com
Thu Jul 21 10:52:03 PDT 2016
Not remembering much about AC circuits but could I put my multimeter across the terminals of the circuit breaker and measure current (carefully) that way???
Any idea what current i should expect for normal or not???
Dave
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1. Heater problems part 2 (David Birken)
2. Re: Heater problems part 2 (John Frost)
3. Re: Heater problems part 2 (John Frost)
4. Re: Xantrex TRUEcharge2 40-amp chargers - experiences?
(Utility Email)
5. Re: 320 for sale (John Frost)
6. Re: 320 for sale (John Frost)
7. Companion way doors vs. boards- looking for options
(Scott Westwood)
8. Companion way doors vs. boards- looking for options (Planning
a winter project) (Scott Westwood)
9. Re: Xantrex TRUEcharge2 40-amp chargers - experiences?
(Angus Henderson)
10. Junk Mail (Bill Lowe)
11. Lewmar port leaks (Jamie Pett)
12. Re: Lewmar port leaks (tharrison at innovations-plus.com)
13. Re: Lewmar port leaks (Troy Dunn)
14. Re: Companion way doors vs. boards- looking for options
(Planning a winter project) (jbrown5093 at yahoo.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 23:04:02 +0000
From: David Birken <davebirken at hotmail.com>
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Subject: [C320-list] Heater problems part 2
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Circuit breaker keeps blowing on fresh water heater.
After 4 hours trying to free old heating element , I finally removed it and replaced it with new one. Unfortunately, breaker continues to blow after heater starts after about 15 seconds.
Any ideas how to approach? Thermostat?
Thanks, Dave
341
Santa Barbara CA
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:35:22 +0200
From: John Frost <john at frostnet.net>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Cc: "c320-list at lists.catalina320.com"
<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Heater problems part 2
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Either the circuit is drawing too much current or the circuit breaker is defective. Suggest clamping an AC current meter around the wire out of the circuit breaker and compare the load with the heater running to the breaker rating. My guess is the breaker is tripping at less than rated load
Sent from my iPhone
Currently On a Riverboat in Amsterdam
John Frost
> On Jul 17, 2016, at 1:04 AM, David Birken <davebirken at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Circuit breaker keeps blowing on fresh water heater.
> After 4 hours trying to free old heating element , I finally removed it and replaced it with new one. Unfortunately, breaker continues to blow after heater starts after about 15 seconds.
>
> Any ideas how to approach? Thermostat?
> Thanks, Dave
> 341
> Santa Barbara CA
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:35:22 +0200
From: John Frost <john at frostnet.net>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Cc: "c320-list at lists.catalina320.com"
<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Heater problems part 2
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Either the circuit is drawing too much current or the circuit breaker is defective. Suggest clamping an AC current meter around the wire out of the circuit breaker and compare the load with the heater running to the breaker rating. My guess is the breaker is tripping at less than rated load
Sent from my iPhone
Currently On a Riverboat in Amsterdam
John Frost
> On Jul 17, 2016, at 1:04 AM, David Birken <davebirken at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Circuit breaker keeps blowing on fresh water heater.
> After 4 hours trying to free old heating element , I finally removed it and replaced it with new one. Unfortunately, breaker continues to blow after heater starts after about 15 seconds.
>
> Any ideas how to approach? Thermostat?
> Thanks, Dave
> 341
> Santa Barbara CA
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 01:17:08 -0700
From: Utility Email <kswanson123 at comcast.net>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Xantrex TRUEcharge2 40-amp chargers -
experiences?
Message-ID: <C2A63D1E-0D9B-497B-A006-A0C75A1F31AE at comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> I replaced my OEM Charles 30A Charger with a new 40A Sterling Charger per recommendations by Compass Marine.
>
> I also replaced my 2 stock 4D batteries with 4-6V Trojan T105 Batteries along with a new flexible Solbian CP125 solar panel with Genasun MPPT charge controller. The solar panel stows under the aft bunk when I am not using it and attaches to the top of our bimini with Tenax fasteners when we deploy it. I couldn't be happier. We now have 450Ah of batteries, a very fast and smart charger, and on a sunny day, our single 125W panel keeps up with our main refrigerator. We can stay away from a marina plug in for weeks now! I?ll post some pictures of our new charger, battery and solar panel setup in my owners photos directory on the C320IA website.
>
> Dave
>
> S/V Emily Ann
> 2007 C320 MK II, No. 1107
> Mukilteo, Washington
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Jon Vez <Jonvez at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Bruce,
>> The original Xantrex were great chargers and the older ones are probably still ticking. However, several years ago they were bought and their quality and customer service went downhill. I think that's why you see the mix of terrible reviews and those that are happy with them. I put one of the original Xantrex on my 320 and it was awesome.
>> My current boat has a Charles and I don't particularly care for it for a few reasons--no equalization option, to change battery chemistry settings you have to remove the unit as they are on the back and use dip switches. Finally no battery temp sensing. The temp is internally regulated on the charger.
>> The factory has since switched to the Pronautic, which along with Sterling would be my choices.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, B. Stumpp <bstumpp at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I replaced my working Guest 2-stage charger with a new Xantrex 3-stage 40
>>> amp charger and the remote panel. After only four years the Xantrex just
>>> failed. The Xantrex tech said these cannot be repaired. Although I was not
>>> happy with only getting four years out of the charger, a friend has one that
>>> so far has lasted 10 years. So I decided to get another Xantrex since it
>>> should be a relatively easy replacement and I already had the remote panel
>>> for the charger. That was until I started reading reviews of the charger on
>>> Westmarine.com.they are not stellar.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So, before looking for alternatives I would like to hear the experiences -
>>> positive and negative - of others on this forum who have installed a Xantrex
>>> charger. Anyone?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruce Stumpp
>>>
>>> Adventure, #647
>>>
>>> Frog Mortar Creek, Maryland
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 11:11:42 +0200
From: John Frost <john at frostnet.net>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Cc: "c320-list at lists.catalina320.com"
<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] 320 for sale
Message-ID: <3B2FD068-B0A1-4E96-81EC-D825036D8453 at frostnet.net>
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I was in touch with Barb when she had this boat outfitted and can vouch that is very well equipped.
Sent from my iPhone
John Frost
> On Jul 14, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Bob and Barb Uhlman <uhlman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Hi, gang,
> Our 2008 Catalina 320 is still for sale. It is presently located in Palmetto (Bradenton), FL. If you know of anyone looking for a boat, it's in beautiful shape. My husband is too ill to help me sail it.
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2008/Catalina-320-MkII-2931787/Palmetto/FL/United-States#.V4f35TVy4W0
> Barb UhlmanWhisper, 1158
>
>
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 11:11:42 +0200
From: John Frost <john at frostnet.net>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Cc: "c320-list at lists.catalina320.com"
<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] 320 for sale
Message-ID: <3B2FD068-B0A1-4E96-81EC-D825036D8453 at frostnet.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I was in touch with Barb when she had this boat outfitted and can vouch that is very well equipped.
Sent from my iPhone
John Frost
> On Jul 14, 2016, at 10:47 PM, Bob and Barb Uhlman <uhlman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Hi, gang,
> Our 2008 Catalina 320 is still for sale. It is presently located in Palmetto (Bradenton), FL. If you know of anyone looking for a boat, it's in beautiful shape. My husband is too ill to help me sail it.
> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2008/Catalina-320-MkII-2931787/Palmetto/FL/United-States#.V4f35TVy4W0
> Barb UhlmanWhisper, 1158
>
>
>
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 14:08:07 +0000 (UTC)
From: Scott Westwood <scottwestwood at bellsouth.net>
To: C320 List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
Subject: [C320-list] Companion way doors vs. boards- looking for
options
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<1615669976.527249.1468764487128.JavaMail.yahoo at mail.yahoo.com>
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Does anybody have pics of how they built/replaced the 3 boards with doors?? I see some pics on the website?of final results but not how-to's.
Looks simple enough but I'm lazy and want to plagiarize and not re-invent the wheel.
Thanks,
Scott Westwood?scottwestwood at bellsouth.net H (919)-362-8538??? C (919)-618-7185
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 14:12:02 +0000 (UTC)
From: Scott Westwood <scottwestwood at bellsouth.net>
To: "c320-list at lists.catalina320.com"
<c320-list at lists.catalina320.com>
Subject: [C320-list] Companion way doors vs. boards- looking for
options (Planning a winter project)
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?Does anybody have pics of how they built/replaced the 3 boards with doors?? I see some pics on the website?of final results but not how-to's.
Looks simple enough but I'm lazy and want to plagiarize and not re-invent the wheel.
Thanks,
Scott Westwood?scottwestwood at bellsouth.net H (919)-362-8538??? C (919)-618-7185
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 10:23:38 -0400
From: Angus Henderson <rathlyn1 at gmail.com>
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Xantrex TRUEcharge2 40-amp chargers -
experiences?
Message-ID: <7F4BDCA6-2E9C-41B3-8C76-BE041A3178CD at gmail.com>
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All sounds good Dave. I have recently done a similar thing I terms of replacing the 4D's with GC batteries and adding solar panels except that I used a fixed panel on the davits.
I was wondering whether you added a digital battery monitoring system and if so what type. I have just added a Victron BMV 702 but have not got it to work properly yet.
Angus
Hull#999
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 17, 2016, at 4:17 AM, Utility Email <kswanson123 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>> I replaced my OEM Charles 30A Charger with a new 40A Sterling Charger per recommendations by Compass Marine.
>>
>> I also replaced my 2 stock 4D batteries with 4-6V Trojan T105 Batteries along with a new flexible Solbian CP125 solar panel with Genasun MPPT charge controller. The solar panel stows under the aft bunk when I am not using it and attaches to the top of our bimini with Tenax fasteners when we deploy it. I couldn't be happier. We now have 450Ah of batteries, a very fast and smart charger, and on a sunny day, our single 125W panel keeps up with our main refrigerator. We can stay away from a marina plug in for weeks now! I?ll post some pictures of our new charger, battery and solar panel setup in my owners photos directory on the C320IA website.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> S/V Emily Ann
>> 2007 C320 MK II, No. 1107
>> Mukilteo, Washington
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Jon Vez <Jonvez at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bruce,
>>> The original Xantrex were great chargers and the older ones are probably still ticking. However, several years ago they were bought and their quality and customer service went downhill. I think that's why you see the mix of terrible reviews and those that are happy with them. I put one of the original Xantrex on my 320 and it was awesome.
>>> My current boat has a Charles and I don't particularly care for it for a few reasons--no equalization option, to change battery chemistry settings you have to remove the unit as they are on the back and use dip switches. Finally no battery temp sensing. The temp is internally regulated on the charger.
>>> The factory has since switched to the Pronautic, which along with Sterling would be my choices.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 11:24 AM, B. Stumpp <bstumpp at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I replaced my working Guest 2-stage charger with a new Xantrex 3-stage 40
>>>> amp charger and the remote panel. After only four years the Xantrex just
>>>> failed. The Xantrex tech said these cannot be repaired. Although I was not
>>>> happy with only getting four years out of the charger, a friend has one that
>>>> so far has lasted 10 years. So I decided to get another Xantrex since it
>>>> should be a relatively easy replacement and I already had the remote panel
>>>> for the charger. That was until I started reading reviews of the charger on
>>>> Westmarine.com.they are not stellar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, before looking for alternatives I would like to hear the experiences -
>>>> positive and negative - of others on this forum who have installed a Xantrex
>>>> charger. Anyone?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bruce Stumpp
>>>>
>>>> Adventure, #647
>>>>
>>>> Frog Mortar Creek, Maryland
>
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 10:53:32 -0400
From: Bill Lowe <wflowe3 at aim.com>
To: c320-list at catalina320.com
Subject: [C320-list] Junk Mail
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Has the site been hacked? I'm getting junk mail ads that didn't used to show up!
Bill Lowe
wflowe3 at aim.com
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 17:58:09 +0000
From: Jamie Pett <JPett at jp2architects.com>
To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: [C320-list] Lewmar port leaks
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Help! I know there are a number of posts and I read as many as I could find re the operable ports leaking. I have thoroughly cleaned the glass and cleaned the seals with Armoural.
I have re-caulked the exterior small horizontal seams in the frames.
I have removed the inner plastic frame covers and tightened all the mounting screws.
My port side remains leaking, mostly the aft port light.
The leaks seem to be right at the dog or bolt that holds the port light closed. The dog seems tight and secure and I cannot figure out even how to remove it and check it further.
Any insight is appreciated. It rained hard last night and I got easily a pint of water through this light, soaked the port settee, the locker cover etc.
Thanks - Jamie
Bella Luna # 614
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 14:02:07 -0400
From: <tharrison at innovations-plus.com>
To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Lewmar port leaks
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I had the same problem and Jeff provided my answer.
Did you remove the gasket between the two half window frame. I pull this out
and sealed with 4200 and not a leak this year at all.
Ted
Hull 424 1997
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Of Jamie Pett
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 1:58 PM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: [C320-list] Lewmar port leaks
Help! I know there are a number of posts and I read as many as I could find
re the operable ports leaking. I have thoroughly cleaned the glass and
cleaned the seals with Armoural.
I have re-caulked the exterior small horizontal seams in the frames.
I have removed the inner plastic frame covers and tightened all the
mounting screws.
My port side remains leaking, mostly the aft port light.
The leaks seem to be right at the dog or bolt that holds the port light
closed. The dog seems tight and secure and I cannot figure out even how to
remove it and check it further.
Any insight is appreciated. It rained hard last night and I got easily a
pint of water through this light, soaked the port settee, the locker cover
etc.
Thanks - Jamie
Bella Luna # 614
Sent from my iPad
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 14:32:52 -0400
From: Troy Dunn <troutwarrior at gmail.com>
To: "C320-List at catalina320.com" <C320-List at catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Lewmar port leaks
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Jamie
Kinda new to the 320, so recognize this is a newbie opinion.
The old port design really was kinda... dumb. Putting that seam on the
sides of the frame really was asking for eventual trouble. Do you
actually know where the moisture is coming from? If it is the outer frame
I would reccomended at a minimum pulling the portlight, completely and
thoroughly cleaning the frame and then rebedding the portlight with Bed It
brand butyl tape. If you aren't sure you can mess around with replacing
orings and seals on the old port light, For my money and time, it was
easier to buy a new portlight for $200 and not have to hassle with trying
to rejuvenate an old poorly designed portlight. The new portlight design
puts the seam on the bottom of the window, and it looks so nice compared to
the old ones. I will replace the other three cabin top portlights this
fall once the boat is on the hard. Funny thing, if you multiply the number
of cabin top windows by $200 and add the butyl tape it comes out to about a
thousand dollars after tax...I guess the old saying is actually true.
Also, since the cabin top has balsa core, you really need to check and see
what is going in the cut out for the portlight, a pint of water coming
through seems like a lot to me.
Just my 0.02.
Troy and Kim Dunn
Hull #514
On Sunday, July 17, 2016, <tharrison at innovations-plus.com> wrote:
> I had the same problem and Jeff provided my answer.
>
> Did you remove the gasket between the two half window frame. I pull this
> out
> and sealed with 4200 and not a leak this year at all.
>
> Ted
> Hull 424 1997
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com
> <javascript:;>] On Behalf
> Of Jamie Pett
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2016 1:58 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Lewmar port leaks
>
> Help! I know there are a number of posts and I read as many as I could find
> re the operable ports leaking. I have thoroughly cleaned the glass and
> cleaned the seals with Armoural.
>
> I have re-caulked the exterior small horizontal seams in the frames.
>
> I have removed the inner plastic frame covers and tightened all the
> mounting screws.
>
> My port side remains leaking, mostly the aft port light.
>
> The leaks seem to be right at the dog or bolt that holds the port light
> closed. The dog seems tight and secure and I cannot figure out even how to
> remove it and check it further.
>
> Any insight is appreciated. It rained hard last night and I got easily a
> pint of water through this light, soaked the port settee, the locker cover
> etc.
>
> Thanks - Jamie
> Bella Luna # 614
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 14:37:53 -0400
From: jbrown5093 at yahoo.com
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Companion way doors vs. boards- looking for
options (Planning a winter project)
Message-ID: <9FF436CD-2640-4B0C-B67A-6CEB8D6EF500 at yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Don't know if this helps Scott, but on the 320 site under the Gallery section and technical photos there are pictures of companionway doors and some build info.
Jim Brown
Desafinado 973
Sent from my iPad
> On Jul 17, 2016, at 10:12 AM, Scott Westwood <scottwestwood at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Does anybody have pics of how they built/replaced the 3 boards with doors? I see some pics on the website of final results but not how-to's.
> Looks simple enough but I'm lazy and want to plagiarize and not re-invent the wheel.
> Thanks,
> Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.net H (919)-362-8538 C (919)-618-7185
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