[C320-list] Boat insurance question

[Allan S Field]

In looking at my policy, it shows as issued through BoatUS Marine Insurance
(agent) with the company being Geico.  The switch in companies over the
years was from Continental (CNA) to National Liability &Fire Insurance
Company (2013) and now to Geico.  But again, since 1988, I have never dealt
with anyone else other than the folks at BoatUS.  I think what may have
changed is the invoicing as that was always done through BoatUS but now
Geico does their own invoicing.  I never got an invoice from either CNA or
National over the years.

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Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 3:08 PM
To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Boat insurance question

I am not certain I am speaking to a BoatUS employee about insurance. When I
paid the last bill, the receipt for the payment came from Geico. 

Diane



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> On May 19, 2017, at 1:22 PM, Allan S Field <allan.field at verizon.net>
wrote:
> 
> Onat - I have been with Boat/US since 1988 and have never thought of
changing, even when they went with GEICO.  I have several reasons for
sticking with Boat/US. And they all make sense to me!  For any insurance
folks I offend by what follows, I at least hope we can still remain
friendly!
> 
> Insurance companies go through business cycles - good years and bad years.
During the good years, they are able to compete by lowering premiums to
"buy" business from a competitor.  But eventually, their reserves fall
behind and they have to increase their premiums to keep up.  Generally,
their business cycle is about 3-5 years.  So I might be able to get a great
rate today with another company that is on the upside of their business
cycle but also know that rate won't last.  So my thinking is it's better to
stay with one company through the business cycles and at least have a good
history with that company.
> 
> With healthcare insurance, which I am most familiar with, the insurance
companies generally work for percent of premium or what we call PMPM (per
member per month) based on the amount of claims paid.  In neither scenario
is there an economic advantage to the insurance company to keep premiums
and/or expenses low, other than to "buy" business from competitors during
their competitor's downside years.  But since health insurance companies are
also exempt from knowing the rates their competitors pay to their providers
(which would be an antitrust violation in any other industry), they can
"shadow price" their competitors.  I am unsure if boat insurance works the
same way but assume until proven otherwise that working through a broker,
who probably is paid on a percent of premium basis, probably is not in my
long term best interests.  But I do know if I call a broker, that broker is
going to ask me what my coverage is from the other company, what I am paying
for the levels of coverage purchased, then find companies in their upside
cycles and place the policy with the company that is in the best interests
of the broker (with some consideration for my interests also; I just believe
in the axiom, "Show me the incentive, and I'll predict the behavior every
time."  That's they super-cynic in me!).  So another reason I stick with
Boat/US is they don't sell through brokers, at least to my knowledge.  When
I call Boat/US, I think I am getting a Boat/US employee.  And no one at
Boat/US has ever tried to sell me home, auto, life, personal umbrella or
health insurance - they just do boats (I believe).
> 
> In summary, yes, I can probably achieve short term savings year after year
by shopping my boat insurance.  It just seems to me that my
insurance-shopping history is going to bite me in the rear should I ever
have a claim.  And if that concern is valid, that's a risk I am just not
willing to take!
> 
> Hope this helps!
> 
> Allan S. Field
> Sea Shadow - C387, #103
> Columbia, MD
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: C320-list [mailto:c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf
Of Onat Dogruer
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 9:09 AM
> To: Catalina List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] Boat insurance question
> 
> Hello all,
> I have been with BoatUS for 8 years for our coverage; never made a claim.
This year they are switching me to Geico as well. With our recent move, I
had just Chesapeake bay in the previous plan and now being forced to switch
back to "Coastal and Inland Waters of the US and Canada" hence increase in
premium. I find it very strange for them to force everyone to shift to this
as cruising limit. The underwriters I spoke with at BoatUS haven't been very
helpful and told me that there is no more just a Chesapeake limited
coverage. 
> 
> I wanted to get your thoughts and experience if you heard the same.
Alternatively, which insurance companies do you use?
> 
> Thanks,
> OnatS/V Kittiwake1998, #546
>