[C320-list] Water in Bilge

[Irving Grunes]

I think the relief Val e is a pressure relief valve.
We lost our heater because of a kink in the hose
Irving Grunes
Formerly 851

On Sep 8, 2017 07:02, "Warren Updike" <wupdike at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Myron and Dave, you may have a problem with the pressure release valve. It
> may be faulty or have a bit of debris stuck in the seat. The valve is
> designed to open at (I think) 200F, so if you find it leaking without
> having run the engine sufficiently to heat the water that is likely the
> problem.
> First try operating the valve manually a few times. If that doesn't
> correct the leak, you may need a new valve. You can purchase the valve from
> the manufacturer, or likely source locally or online as I seem to remember
> that the valve is commonly available from places like Granger, etc.
>
> Warren and Pattie Updike
> 1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62
> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Welch, Myron D [mailto:myron-welch at uiowa.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 11:00 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Water in Bilge
>
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for the good suggestion of a possible leak. I installed the tube
> and bottle on the water heater pressure relief valve many years ago. It
> works well and I would recommend it to anyone.
>
> Myron
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 6, 2017, at 9:46 PM, Utility Email <kswanson123 at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > This may be related.
> >
> > I have a 2007 C320 MK II, so I don't have the same issues with a shallow
> bilge and getting water under the liner, but I did find a "leak of sorts."
> >
> > The water heater leaks about a pint of water through the pressure relief
> valve when it heats up.  This is due to heated water expanding from cold
> within the confined water tank.
> >
> > To solve the problem of this fresh water draining across the hull liner
> to the bilge, I installed a longer flexible hose to the outlet side of the
> pressure relieve valve and have it drain directly into a 16 ounce soda
> bottle that I keep wedged between the hot water tank and the cabinet wall.
> I just empty this bottle when I close my sink through hill drain before we
> leave the boat.
> >
> > Dry bilge ever since.
> >
> > Anyway, for your information.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > Dave Swanson
> > S/V Emily Ann
> > 2007 C320 MK II, No. 1107
> > Mukilteo, WA
> >
> >
> > David B. Swanson, P.E., S.E.
> > Principal, LEED AP, F. SEI
> > Director, Structural Engineering
> >
> > Reid Middleton, Inc.
> > (425) 741-3800 office
> > (425) 741-5011 direct
> > (425) 508-7971 mobile
> >
> > www.reidmiddleton.com
> >
> >> On Sep 6, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Scott Lagerquist <lgrqst at aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Warren,
> >>
> >> I had the same experience on #39 with the hose under the head sink.  I
> chose to get a couple of brass fitting from the hardware store that allow
> me to replace the shower/sink hose with a standard stainless flex hose from
> Home Depot or Amazon.  Mine also only leaked when on but all is good now.
> My shower drain was rigged into the bilge pump line which had a one way
> valve (wasn't working).  I put in a shower drain box with its own pump and
> float and routed the drain hose overboard through a thru hull fitting and
> removed the one way valve in the bilge pump.  Long story short, we have a
> dry bilge.
> >>
> >> Good luck Myron.  I'm confident you'll find the source.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Scott Lagerquist
> >> Sea Esta
> >> 1994, #39
> >> San Diego CA
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Oh, Myron, I feel for you. I went through a very similar experience
> for the first few years after we bought our #62 for different reasons. All
> of the water was fresh so I had a clue of where to look; but, after fixing
> a couple of faults, I still found more water. At some point, I had reason
> to have my head under the head sink, and yes, you have to remove the drawer
> cabinet to do anything in there. I found that the sink hose would leak at a
> connection, but only when the water was on. I spent hours trying to find a
> replacement hose and finally did someplace in FL. After buying the hose and
> installing it, I found myself, one day, in our marina store and there on
> the wall were 3 units of the hose I spent hours looking for. Too soon oldt,
> un too late schmart. Once all the faults were corrected, I had a mostly dry
> bilge. There is more to this story, but we'll leave that for another day.
> >>>
> >>> Warren and Pattie Updike
> >>> 1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62
> >>> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Welch, Myron D [mailto:myron-welch at uiowa.edu]
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 2:42 PM
> >>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> >>> Subject: [C320-list] Water in Bilge
> >>>
> >>> After several years of a dry bilge, I was surprised to find water
> beneath the liner, under the engine and in the three center bilge grids
> when winterizing the boat for haulout last week. Some observations were
> easy.  The muffler is again leaking (for the third time) and after two
> repairs, I think it is time for a new one.  Also, I found a slight drip
> from the water heater drain as I did not have it closed tightly.  I
> replaced the water heater about 10 years ago and am very careful when
> winterizing; I don’t believe the water heater is leaking.
> >>>
> >>> The big mystery is the water found in that difficult to access
> inspection hole when I had the floor boards pulled for cleaning all the
> bilge area.  I vacuumed and dryed all the water I could, then left that
> floorboard loose so could check for water again.  The next day I cleaned
> the floor in the head and used the shower sump to drain the soapy water.
> We have never used the shower and only run the sump when cleaning.  I
> closed the shower thru hull and a few minutes later about a pint of fresh
> water had backed up from the drain onto the shower floor.  I had to open
> the thru hull and run the pump two more times and then mop up the small
> excess before the water stopped seeping back up.
> >>>
> >>> The next day I again found more water under the inspection hole.  When
> I vacuumed it out, I was surprised to find soapy water.  Could this be from
> the water pumped out after cleaning the head floor?  Is it possible that
> the pump connections are leaking or that the drain reservoir is
> cracked/leaking?  Do I access that area by removing the closet insert in
> the stateroom?
> >>>
> >>> I plan to go back to the boat next week, remove the muffler and look
> for the mysterious water intrusion possibilities.  Thanks in advance for
> any insight.
> >>>
> >>> Myron Welch
> >>> Wind Instrument #238 (1995)
> >>> Iowa City, Iowa
> >>> Grace Memorial Harbor
> >>> Elk Rapids, Michigan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> P.S.  FYI, Ken Roy, our contact from the Catalina parts department,
> has retired.  His replacement is Len Keller.
> >>
>