[C320-list] Water in Bilge

[Marek Fluder]

Hi all,
I also have the experience of relief valve "dumping" some water when the
heater gets up to high temperature (long motoring or electrical heat on).
Plastic jar does the trick for me.
I still however have one source of water in the bilge left and do not know
of any remedy: my in-mast furling system have a fairly large opening at
furling line gear therefore with heavy rain being pushed from the right
direction I have water going down to the bilge.
Has anyone come up with some remedy for this?

Kind regards,
Marek
#1028



On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Irv, the manual calls it a "Temperature/Pressure Valve." I think you'll
> find the trigger stamped on the valve rated in degrees-Fahrenheit. If I
> remember correctly, ours is 200 deg.
>
> Internal pressure is, of course, a function of water temperature. Seems
> the intent is to prevent generation of steam. That wouldn't be good.
>
> Warren and Pattie Updike
> 1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62
> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Irving Grunes [mailto:igrunes at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2017 9:39 AM
> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Water in Bilge
>
> I think the relief Val e is a pressure relief valve.
> We lost our heater because of a kink in the hose
> Irving Grunes
> Formerly 851
>
> On Sep 8, 2017 07:02, "Warren Updike" <wupdike at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Myron and Dave, you may have a problem with the pressure release valve.
> It
> > may be faulty or have a bit of debris stuck in the seat. The valve is
> > designed to open at (I think) 200F, so if you find it leaking without
> > having run the engine sufficiently to heat the water that is likely the
> > problem.
> > First try operating the valve manually a few times. If that doesn't
> > correct the leak, you may need a new valve. You can purchase the valve
> from
> > the manufacturer, or likely source locally or online as I seem to
> remember
> > that the valve is commonly available from places like Granger, etc.
> >
> > Warren and Pattie Updike
> > 1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62
> > Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Welch, Myron D [mailto:myron-welch at uiowa.edu]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 11:00 PM
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Water in Bilge
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > Thanks for the good suggestion of a possible leak. I installed the tube
> > and bottle on the water heater pressure relief valve many years ago. It
> > works well and I would recommend it to anyone.
> >
> > Myron
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Sep 6, 2017, at 9:46 PM, Utility Email <kswanson123 at comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > This may be related.
> > >
> > > I have a 2007 C320 MK II, so I don't have the same issues with a
> shallow
> > bilge and getting water under the liner, but I did find a "leak of
> sorts."
> > >
> > > The water heater leaks about a pint of water through the pressure
> relief
> > valve when it heats up.  This is due to heated water expanding from cold
> > within the confined water tank.
> > >
> > > To solve the problem of this fresh water draining across the hull liner
> > to the bilge, I installed a longer flexible hose to the outlet side of
> the
> > pressure relieve valve and have it drain directly into a 16 ounce soda
> > bottle that I keep wedged between the hot water tank and the cabinet
> wall.
> > I just empty this bottle when I close my sink through hill drain before
> we
> > leave the boat.
> > >
> > > Dry bilge ever since.
> > >
> > > Anyway, for your information.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > Dave Swanson
> > > S/V Emily Ann
> > > 2007 C320 MK II, No. 1107
> > > Mukilteo, WA
> > >
> > >
> > > David B. Swanson, P.E., S.E.
> > > Principal, LEED AP, F. SEI
> > > Director, Structural Engineering
> > >
> > > Reid Middleton, Inc.
> > > (425) 741-3800 office
> > > (425) 741-5011 direct
> > > (425) 508-7971 mobile
> > >
> > > www.reidmiddleton.com
> > >
> > >> On Sep 6, 2017, at 5:55 PM, Scott Lagerquist <lgrqst at aol.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Warren,
> > >>
> > >> I had the same experience on #39 with the hose under the head sink.  I
> > chose to get a couple of brass fitting from the hardware store that allow
> > me to replace the shower/sink hose with a standard stainless flex hose
> from
> > Home Depot or Amazon.  Mine also only leaked when on but all is good now.
> > My shower drain was rigged into the bilge pump line which had a one way
> > valve (wasn't working).  I put in a shower drain box with its own pump
> and
> > float and routed the drain hose overboard through a thru hull fitting and
> > removed the one way valve in the bilge pump.  Long story short, we have a
> > dry bilge.
> > >>
> > >> Good luck Myron.  I'm confident you'll find the source.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Scott Lagerquist
> > >> Sea Esta
> > >> 1994, #39
> > >> San Diego CA
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPad
> > >>
> > >>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Warren Updike <wupdike at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Oh, Myron, I feel for you. I went through a very similar experience
> > for the first few years after we bought our #62 for different reasons.
> All
> > of the water was fresh so I had a clue of where to look; but, after
> fixing
> > a couple of faults, I still found more water. At some point, I had reason
> > to have my head under the head sink, and yes, you have to remove the
> drawer
> > cabinet to do anything in there. I found that the sink hose would leak
> at a
> > connection, but only when the water was on. I spent hours trying to find
> a
> > replacement hose and finally did someplace in FL. After buying the hose
> and
> > installing it, I found myself, one day, in our marina store and there on
> > the wall were 3 units of the hose I spent hours looking for. Too soon
> oldt,
> > un too late schmart. Once all the faults were corrected, I had a mostly
> dry
> > bilge. There is more to this story, but we'll leave that for another day.
> > >>>
> > >>> Warren and Pattie Updike
> > >>> 1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62
> > >>> Middle River, Chesapeake Bay
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Welch, Myron D [mailto:myron-welch at uiowa.edu]
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 2:42 PM
> > >>> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > >>> Subject: [C320-list] Water in Bilge
> > >>>
> > >>> After several years of a dry bilge, I was surprised to find water
> > beneath the liner, under the engine and in the three center bilge grids
> > when winterizing the boat for haulout last week. Some observations were
> > easy.  The muffler is again leaking (for the third time) and after two
> > repairs, I think it is time for a new one.  Also, I found a slight drip
> > from the water heater drain as I did not have it closed tightly.  I
> > replaced the water heater about 10 years ago and am very careful when
> > winterizing; I don’t believe the water heater is leaking.
> > >>>
> > >>> The big mystery is the water found in that difficult to access
> > inspection hole when I had the floor boards pulled for cleaning all the
> > bilge area.  I vacuumed and dryed all the water I could, then left that
> > floorboard loose so could check for water again.  The next day I cleaned
> > the floor in the head and used the shower sump to drain the soapy water.
> > We have never used the shower and only run the sump when cleaning.  I
> > closed the shower thru hull and a few minutes later about a pint of fresh
> > water had backed up from the drain onto the shower floor.  I had to open
> > the thru hull and run the pump two more times and then mop up the small
> > excess before the water stopped seeping back up.
> > >>>
> > >>> The next day I again found more water under the inspection hole.
> When
> > I vacuumed it out, I was surprised to find soapy water.  Could this be
> from
> > the water pumped out after cleaning the head floor?  Is it possible that
> > the pump connections are leaking or that the drain reservoir is
> > cracked/leaking?  Do I access that area by removing the closet insert in
> > the stateroom?
> > >>>
> > >>> I plan to go back to the boat next week, remove the muffler and look
> > for the mysterious water intrusion possibilities.  Thanks in advance for
> > any insight.
> > >>>
> > >>> Myron Welch
> > >>> Wind Instrument #238 (1995)
> > >>> Iowa City, Iowa
> > >>> Grace Memorial Harbor
> > >>> Elk Rapids, Michigan
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> P.S.  FYI, Ken Roy, our contact from the Catalina parts department,
> > has retired.  His replacement is Len Keller.
> > >>
> >
>
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