[C320-list] VW10 windlass
Gene Helfman
genehelfman at gmail.com
Sun Nov 4 09:47:19 PST 2018
The 5/16th inch chain does not skip when hauling. We don't try dropping
using the gypsy because it requires too many fine adjustments to the brake
as more goes out and the weight increases. Lowering is a slow slip through
very heavy rubber gloves.
On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 1:10 AM Gene Gammon <captaingene at msn.com> wrote:
> Does your chain size and type match your gypsy ? If not a match the chain
> can skip as it is not a tight fit in the gypsy cutouts.
>
>
> Gene Gammon, Capt.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of
> Dave <daw_sgb at kos.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2018 11:57 PM
> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> Subject: [C320-list] VW10 windlass
>
>
> Jeff
> I installed one last spring. It’s not a drop in but still easy enough.
> I used a Rotozip to enlarge the hole for the shaft and bought a right
> angle attachment to drill new bolt holes.
>
> Strangely enough every thing fit perfectly.
>
> The #4 negative cable from the vc500 was still good for the new
> installation and I mounted the rely on the v-berth bulkhead over the shelf
> after reinstalling it.
>
> I also installed a wired remote up/ down. Just follow the instructions.
>
> One big problem. The chain skips every time we start to lower the anchor.
> I tried hanging the anchor off the bow so that it wouldn’t lift the chain
> when the shank went over the roller, but still no joy.
>
> Any solutions would be appreciated.
>
> Dave Weaver
> Pipe Dream
> Hull#443
>
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> > 1. Re: Perkins M30 Lift Pump, or .... (amshd2 at aol.com)
> > 2. Looking to setup temporary 12v supply while batteries are
> > removed? (Scott Westwood)
> > 3. Re: Looking to setup temporary 12v supply while batteries are
> > removed? (Jeff Hare)
> > 4. Re: Looking to setup temporary 12v supply while batteries are
> > removed? (Joe Luciano)
> > 5. Re: Looking to setup temporary 12v supply while batteries are
> > removed? (John morrison)
> > 6. Re: Windlass replacement (Jeff Hare)
> > 7. Re: Looking to setup temporary 12v supply while batteries are
> > removed? (Scott Westwood)
> > 8. Re: Perkins M30 Lift Pump, or .... (mmellon at cruzio.com)
> > 9. Re: Windlass replacement (Gene Helfman)
> > 10. Fresh Water System Winterizie (islgirl3 at aol.com)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 18:21:23 -0400
> > From: amshd2 at aol.com
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Perkins M30 Lift Pump, or ....
> > Message-ID: <166bcc47350-1ec2-5140 at webjas-vab008.srv.aolmail.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > I had similar symptoms a few years ago with my Perkins. Would start
> fine. Needed to idle around 1300 to 1500 RPMs which was too fast. If
> under load at idle would stall repeatable which ( made docking
> interesting). Also she would really vibrate when moving at idle under power.
> >
> >
> > Turned out to be a combinations of things. Started with testing fuel
> injectors. Went one step at a time.
> >
> >
> > Fuel Injectors: Pop tested the fuel injectors they failed had to
> rebuilt 2 and replaced one.
> >
> >
> > Fuel Injection Pump: The fuel injection pump needed to be rebuilt.
> >
> >
> > Replaced Governor assembly lever and springs. This sits on the front
> side of the fuel injection pump.
> >
> >
> > Also I had a bad value that need to be replaced and value seat redone.
> >
> >
> > The fuel lift pump was fine.
> >
> >
> > That was summer 2016. Running great since then. I had teh guys at
> bay Shore Marine in Annapolis do a the testing and rebuild work.
> >
> >
> >
> > Vr
> >
> >
> > Tony
> > Chica Caliente
> > Hull #30
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Seyler <mseyler at cox.net>
> > To: C320-List <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > Sent: Sun, Oct 28, 2018 12:15 am
> > Subject: [C320-list] Perkins M30 Lift Pump, or ....
> >
> > The Perkins M30 on my 1995 #232 has started stalling at idle, running
> rough up to around 1500rpm, and blowing light gray or white smoke out of
> the exhaust. My first thought was to change the Racor and secondary
> filters, but that didn?t help. And when I was bleeding the system after
> changing the filters, it didn?t seem as though the manual lever on the
> mechanical lift pump was moving as much fuel as I expected. (I used the
> piston pump on top of the racor instead.)
> > I?m wondering if the lift pump could be the source of the stalling and
> smoke. The engine starts quickly if I give it a little throttle, even after
> a stall. So I?m assuming it?s not loss of compression from the valves or
> rings.
> > Does anyone have any other suggestions about diagnosing the possible
> cause, or advice about changing the lift pump? I never had a Diesel engine
> until I bought my C320.
> >
> > Mark Seyler
> > S/V Reality
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 11:21:41 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Scott Westwood <scottwestwood at bellsouth.net>
> > To: Catalina List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> > Subject: [C320-list] Looking to setup temporary 12v supply while
> > batteries are removed?
> > Message-ID: <877382105.650963.1540812101591 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > I want to remove my batteries and provide a "temporary" 12v supply only
> to run the bilge pump over the winter.
> > My batteries are dying. Plans are in the works to replace both LA with
> AGMs before spring.
> > Concern: Shore power charger cooking the last dying battery and
> releasing caustic fumes and possible fire?? The charger dried up (boiled)
> the other/second battery and the fumes were real bad.
> > I want to remove the last battery and shut off the battery charger and
> run a 12v power supply if/when the bilge pump would need to run.? Right now
> the bilge is dry and no water leaking in but you never know.
> > I have one of those rolling battery charger/starter for cars and I can
> maybe turn it on "always on" and leave it hooked up in place of the
> batteries???? As long as I have shore power then the boat would have 12v
> (if needed).? I am not near the boat now but it is a Jabsco pump in the
> port cabin seat near chart table. Can't be more than 5-8 amps??
> > High end related second question:? ?Is there a permanent? battery
> charger that can also provide emergency crank/starting current when
> connected to shore power - if batteries are dead?? I know you can have a
> dedicated start battery but it seems silly to not have the capacity to use
> shore power as an emergency start power.? Asking too much?? Overkill??
> > Thanks,
> > Scott Westwood?scottwestwood at bellsouth.net H (919)-362-8538??? C
> (919)-618-7185
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:54:01 -0400
> > From: "Jeff Hare" <Catalina at thehares.com>
> > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Looking to setup temporary 12v supply while
> > batteries are removed?
> > Message-ID: <015a01d46f97$3b293c50$b17bb4f0$@thehares.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Hi Scott,
> >
> > Don't do the battery charger thing. It doesn't work like you're
> thinking it works.
> >
> > Chargers are not usually fixed voltage devices. They vary their supply
> voltage in order to hit a target 13.8v across a connected battery and
> monitor the current flow to determine state of charge. Say the battery is
> at 12.5v. A car battery charger hooked to that battery will increase it's
> supply voltage (across the battery clamps) in order to induce enough
> current flow so that the battery now reads 13.8v across its terminals.
> It'll continue to vary the actually voltage needed to induce the amount of
> current needed to keep it at 13.8 volts until the battery itself is near
> 13.8v (which can be calculated by the battery drawing very low amount of
> current at this point). This is when a car battery is considered charged.
> (essentially) I'm not being super precise, here, just conveying the
> concept.
> >
> > When there's no battery hooked to a charger, battery chargers won't know
> what voltage to produce on the output since even if it went to 200v, there
> wouldn't be any current draw. So it will simply think it's not hooked to a
> battery. Suddenly putting a non-battery load on it will provide a
> completely unregulated voltage on the load and the current will be all over
> the map. It probably just won't work, or could damage the load depending
> on your car charger.
> >
> > A 12v supply, like used for Ham radio gear, etc. is designed to produce
> and hold a fixed REGULATED voltage and supply whatever current the load
> needs up to the rating of the power supply. Totally different process.
> When you hook a charger to a battery, the battery "regulates" or smooths
> out the (usually) modified sine wave voltage the load will see.
> >
> > So, I wouldn't don't it on my boat. ? Buy an inexpensive AGM Car or
> Lawn tractor battery, hook up a trickle charger and your bilge pump. Or
> use your starting battery for this with a trickle charger/maintainer
> plugged in.
> >
> > My $.02
> > -Jeff Hare
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of
> Scott Westwood
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 7:22 AM
> > To: Catalina List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> > Subject: [C320-list] Looking to setup temporary 12v supply while
> batteries are removed?
> >
> > I want to remove my batteries and provide a "temporary" 12v supply only
> to run the bilge pump over the winter.
> > My batteries are dying. Plans are in the works to replace both LA with
> AGMs before spring.
> > Concern: Shore power charger cooking the last dying battery and
> releasing caustic fumes and possible fire? The charger dried up (boiled)
> the other/second battery and the fumes were real bad.
> > I want to remove the last battery and shut off the battery charger and
> run a 12v power supply if/when the bilge pump would need to run. Right now
> the bilge is dry and no water leaking in but you never know.
> > I have one of those rolling battery charger/starter for cars and I can
> maybe turn it on "always on" and leave it hooked up in place of the
> batteries??? As long as I have shore power then the boat would have 12v
> (if needed). I am not near the boat now but it is a Jabsco pump in the
> port cabin seat near chart table. Can't be more than 5-8 amps??
> > High end related second question: Is there a permanent battery
> charger that can also provide emergency crank/starting current when
> connected to shore power - if batteries are dead? I know you can have a
> dedicated start battery but it seems silly to not have the capacity to use
> shore power as an emergency start power. Asking too much? Overkill?
> Thanks, Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.net H (919)-362-8538 C
> (919)-618-7185
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 09:12:43 -0600
> > From: Joe Luciano <jnluciano at comcast.net>
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Looking to setup temporary 12v supply while
> > batteries are removed?
> > Message-ID: <F71CA1BB-F6B4-4F19-A1DB-D6D4267F44DB at comcast.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > Also, until you fix the problem with the current permanent battery
> charger in the boat, you will suffer early battery death on any new
> batteries you?ve purchased in the spring. Your investment should include a
> reliable boat shore power battery charger along with new batteries. With
> the need to invest in both, LA batteries are the more economical choice. I
> just replaced mine after 12 years and have the Charles battery charger that
> Catalina used in boats of my vintage.
> >
> > Joe Luciano
> > Second Wind
> > 2005 Catalina 320
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:54 AM, Jeff Hare <Catalina at thehares.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Scott,
> >>
> >> Don't do the battery charger thing. It doesn't work like you're
> thinking it works.
> >>
> >> Chargers are not usually fixed voltage devices. They vary their supply
> voltage in order to hit a target 13.8v across a connected battery and
> monitor the current flow to determine state of charge. Say the battery is
> at 12.5v. A car battery charger hooked to that battery will increase it's
> supply voltage (across the battery clamps) in order to induce enough
> current flow so that the battery now reads 13.8v across its terminals.
> It'll continue to vary the actually voltage needed to induce the amount of
> current needed to keep it at 13.8 volts until the battery itself is near
> 13.8v (which can be calculated by the battery drawing very low amount of
> current at this point). This is when a car battery is considered charged.
> (essentially) I'm not being super precise, here, just conveying the
> concept.
> >>
> >> When there's no battery hooked to a charger, battery chargers won't
> know what voltage to produce on the output since even if it went to 200v,
> there wouldn't be any current draw. So it will simply think it's not hooked
> to a battery. Suddenly putting a non-battery load on it will provide a
> completely unregulated voltage on the load and the current will be all over
> the map. It probably just won't work, or could damage the load depending
> on your car charger.
> >>
> >> A 12v supply, like used for Ham radio gear, etc. is designed to produce
> and hold a fixed REGULATED voltage and supply whatever current the load
> needs up to the rating of the power supply. Totally different process.
> When you hook a charger to a battery, the battery "regulates" or smooths
> out the (usually) modified sine wave voltage the load will see.
> >>
> >> So, I wouldn't don't it on my boat. ? Buy an inexpensive AGM Car or
> Lawn tractor battery, hook up a trickle charger and your bilge pump. Or
> use your starting battery for this with a trickle charger/maintainer
> plugged in.
> >>
> >> My $.02
> >> -Jeff Hare
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of
> Scott Westwood
> >> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 7:22 AM
> >> To: Catalina List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> >> Subject: [C320-list] Looking to setup temporary 12v supply while
> batteries are removed?
> >>
> >> I want to remove my batteries and provide a "temporary" 12v supply only
> to run the bilge pump over the winter.
> >> My batteries are dying. Plans are in the works to replace both LA with
> AGMs before spring.
> >> Concern: Shore power charger cooking the last dying battery and
> releasing caustic fumes and possible fire? The charger dried up (boiled)
> the other/second battery and the fumes were real bad.
> >> I want to remove the last battery and shut off the battery charger and
> run a 12v power supply if/when the bilge pump would need to run. Right now
> the bilge is dry and no water leaking in but you never know.
> >> I have one of those rolling battery charger/starter for cars and I can
> maybe turn it on "always on" and leave it hooked up in place of the
> batteries??? As long as I have shore power then the boat would have 12v
> (if needed). I am not near the boat now but it is a Jabsco pump in the
> port cabin seat near chart table. Can't be more than 5-8 amps??
> >> High end related second question: Is there a permanent battery
> charger that can also provide emergency crank/starting current when
> connected to shore power - if batteries are dead? I know you can have a
> dedicated start battery but it seems silly to not have the capacity to use
> shore power as an emergency start power. Asking too much? Overkill?
> Thanks, Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.net H (919)-362-8538 C
> (919)-618-7185
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 11:23:57 -0400
> > From: John morrison <sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Looking to setup temporary 12v supply while
> > batteries are removed?
> > Message-ID: <B79C3F68-A20D-44EF-9D03-B027007443C1 at sympatico.ca>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > If you are insisting on the expensive AGM batteries suggest you sus out
> our website and look at stuff there which gives the pros and cons of AGM,
> if you haven?t already done so. There has been a lot written on the subject.
> > JEM
> > 1999#574
> >
> >> On Oct 29, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Joe Luciano <jnluciano at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Also, until you fix the problem with the current permanent battery
> charger in the boat, you will suffer early battery death on any new
> batteries you?ve purchased in the spring. Your investment should include a
> reliable boat shore power battery charger along with new batteries. With
> the need to invest in both, LA batteries are the more economical choice. I
> just replaced mine after 12 years and have the Charles battery charger that
> Catalina used in boats of my vintage.
> >>
> >> Joe Luciano
> >> Second Wind
> >> 2005 Catalina 320
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:54 AM, Jeff Hare <Catalina at thehares.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Scott,
> >>>
> >>> Don't do the battery charger thing. It doesn't work like you're
> thinking it works.
> >>>
> >>> Chargers are not usually fixed voltage devices. They vary their
> supply voltage in order to hit a target 13.8v across a connected battery
> and monitor the current flow to determine state of charge. Say the
> battery is at 12.5v. A car battery charger hooked to that battery will
> increase it's supply voltage (across the battery clamps) in order to induce
> enough current flow so that the battery now reads 13.8v across its
> terminals. It'll continue to vary the actually voltage needed to induce
> the amount of current needed to keep it at 13.8 volts until the battery
> itself is near 13.8v (which can be calculated by the battery drawing very
> low amount of current at this point). This is when a car battery is
> considered charged. (essentially) I'm not being super precise, here, just
> conveying the concept.
> >>>
> >>> When there's no battery hooked to a charger, battery chargers won't
> know what voltage to produce on the output since even if it went to 200v,
> there wouldn't be any current draw. So it will simply think it's not hooked
> to a battery. Suddenly putting a non-battery load on it will provide a
> completely unregulated voltage on the load and the current will be all over
> the map. It probably just won't work, or could damage the load depending
> on your car charger.
> >>>
> >>> A 12v supply, like used for Ham radio gear, etc. is designed to
> produce and hold a fixed REGULATED voltage and supply whatever current the
> load needs up to the rating of the power supply. Totally different
> process. When you hook a charger to a battery, the battery "regulates" or
> smooths out the (usually) modified sine wave voltage the load will see.
> >>>
> >>> So, I wouldn't don't it on my boat. ? Buy an inexpensive AGM Car or
> Lawn tractor battery, hook up a trickle charger and your bilge pump. Or
> use your starting battery for this with a trickle charger/maintainer
> plugged in.
> >>>
> >>> My $.02
> >>> -Jeff Hare
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf
> Of Scott Westwood
> >>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 7:22 AM
> >>> To: Catalina List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> >>> Subject: [C320-list] Looking to setup temporary 12v supply while
> batteries are removed?
> >>>
> >>> I want to remove my batteries and provide a "temporary" 12v supply
> only to run the bilge pump over the winter.
> >>> My batteries are dying. Plans are in the works to replace both LA with
> AGMs before spring.
> >>> Concern: Shore power charger cooking the last dying battery and
> releasing caustic fumes and possible fire? The charger dried up (boiled)
> the other/second battery and the fumes were real bad.
> >>> I want to remove the last battery and shut off the battery charger and
> run a 12v power supply if/when the bilge pump would need to run. Right now
> the bilge is dry and no water leaking in but you never know.
> >>> I have one of those rolling battery charger/starter for cars and I can
> maybe turn it on "always on" and leave it hooked up in place of the
> batteries??? As long as I have shore power then the boat would have 12v
> (if needed). I am not near the boat now but it is a Jabsco pump in the
> port cabin seat near chart table. Can't be more than 5-8 amps??
> >>> High end related second question: Is there a permanent battery
> charger that can also provide emergency crank/starting current when
> connected to shore power - if batteries are dead? I know you can have a
> dedicated start battery but it seems silly to not have the capacity to use
> shore power as an emergency start power. Asking too much? Overkill?
> Thanks, Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.net H (919)-362-8538 C
> (919)-618-7185
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 11:36:43 -0400
> > From: "Jeff Hare" <Catalina at thehares.com>
> > To: <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Windlass replacement
> > Message-ID: <016001d46f9d$327e3eb0$977abc10$@thehares.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > I know this is an old thread, but I wonder if replacing the VC500 with
> the newer VW10 model would be close to a drop in replacement. It is
> specified for use in either vertical or horizontal positions.
> >
> > Specifically, I'm curious if the bolt holes and such are compatible.
> I'm sure Maxwell could answer those questions.
> >
> > Pat Tormey was wondering if anyone has upgraded their windlass controls
> for both power up & down?
> >
> > -Jeff Hare
> > #809
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of
> Doug Treff
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 9:58 AM
> > To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Windlass replacement
> >
> > Thanks Chris - I'm really looking for a better arrangement, and I'd like
> something with a proper chain gypsy that can handle a rope-chain splice.
> >
> > --
> > Doug Treff
> > doug at treff.us
> >
> >> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017, at 09:42 AM, Chris Burti wrote:
> >> Doug,
> >> It sounds as if you may be decided on replacing the windlass for an
> >> upgrade but if not , I offer a couple suggestions.
> >> If the gears are not broken and problem is the motor, look at Karl
> >> Mielenhausen?s article on maintenance of it, use that as guide to
> >> remove the motor and then carry it to an alternator and starter repair
> >> shop for a rebuild.
> >> Second, if you cut off a couple of three inch sections of bicycle tube
> >> and slip them over the drum, it will handle chain fairly well Best
> >> Regards, Chris Burti
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Oct 4, 2017, at 8:23 AM, Doug Treff <doug at treff.us> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> All,
> >>>
> >>> I'd like to hear from any of you who may have replaced their VC500
> >>> windlass. Mine is done. It no longer works, and I'm replacing all my
> >>> rode this year. Seems like a good time to revisit the windlass
> >>> situation as well. I've read a lot about the Maxwell windlasses.
> >>> Seems that this one is a vertical windlass mounted horizontally.
> >>> I've considered replacing the windlass with another Maxwell VW
> >>> series that has the chain gypsy but I have heard of problems with
> >>> the chain jumping off the gypsy due to the small amount of engagement
> of the chain in the gypsy.
> >>> If any of you have made the switch to another make and/or model of
> >>> windlass, I'd love to hear what you found regarding usability,
> >>> installation (what models will fit in the 320), etc...
> >>> I'm a blank slate. Since my windlass does not handle chain, is
> >>> broken, and the retrofit kit is discontinued, it's time to replace.
> >>> Bonus points if you have pictures to share!
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Doug Treff
> >>> 1996 - Hull 350 - September Song
> >>> doug at treff.us
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 16:31:53 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Scott Westwood <scottwestwood at bellsouth.net>
> > To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Looking to setup temporary 12v supply while
> > batteries are removed?
> > Message-ID: <1712087117.825734.1540830713370 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Thanks for all your thoughts.
> > Yes plan by spring is to?1. Replace 2 LAs with 2 AGM batteries (Deciding
> West Marine @400+/- ea or Lifeline @ 700+/- ea.? We can get discount on
> WM.? I would prefer Lifeline.? They sound like more robust batteries (Only
> AGM that can take Equalize- if needed) but Lifeline's would cost twice as
> much as WM/Exide so not sure worth extra cost)2. External Regulator from
> Alternator3. Solar panel(s) and Controllers to keep Batteries topped4.
> Battery monitor shunt version (Comes with Solar Controllers)4. Start
> Battery (Likely but not firm yet).5. All possible temp sensors on all
> equipment/batteries6. LED light replacement where possible (Especially
> Anchor but also Running and some Cabin)
> > 7. down the road is portable generator for longer anchorages.
> > Goal here is to be able to anchor for? at least 2-3+ days without going
> to shore except for Water and fuel.? We don't use much power.? We don't
> have music going etc...? Big use for us if Refrig and anchor light and
> charging phones/PCs.
> > Lots of options/ideas.?
> > Thanks,
> > Scott Westwood?scottwestwood at bellsouth.net H (919)-362-8538??? C
> (919)-618-7185
> >
> > From: John morrison <sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 11:24 AM
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Looking to setup temporary 12v supply while
> batteries are removed?
> >
> > If you are insisting on the expensive AGM batteries suggest you sus out
> our website and look at stuff there which gives the pros and cons of AGM,
> if you haven?t already done so. There has been a lot written on the subject.
> > JEM
> > 1999#574
> >
> >> On Oct 29, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Joe Luciano <jnluciano at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Also, until you fix the problem with the current permanent battery
> charger in the boat, you will suffer early battery death on any new
> batteries you?ve purchased in the spring.? Your investment should include a
> reliable boat shore power battery charger along with new batteries.? With
> the need to invest in both, LA batteries are the more economical choice.? I
> just replaced mine after 12 years and have the Charles battery charger that
> Catalina used in boats of my vintage.
> >>
> >> Joe Luciano
> >> Second Wind
> >> 2005 Catalina 320
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 8:54 AM, Jeff Hare <Catalina at thehares.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Scott,
> >>>
> >>> Don't do the battery charger thing.? It doesn't work like you're
> thinking it works.?
> >>>
> >>> Chargers are not usually fixed voltage devices.? They vary their
> supply voltage in order to hit a target 13.8v across a connected battery
> and monitor the current flow to determine state of charge.? Say the battery
> is at 12.5v.? A car battery charger hooked to that battery will increase
> it's supply voltage (across the battery clamps) in order to induce enough
> current flow so that the battery now reads 13.8v across its terminals.?
> It'll continue to vary the actually voltage needed to induce the amount of
> current needed to keep it at 13.8 volts until the battery itself is near
> 13.8v (which can be calculated by the battery drawing very low amount of
> current at this point).? This is when a car battery is considered charged.
> (essentially)? I'm not being super precise, here, just conveying the
> concept.
> >>>
> >>> When there's no battery hooked to a charger, battery chargers won't
> know what voltage to produce on the output since even if it went to 200v,
> there wouldn't be any current draw. So it will simply think it's not hooked
> to a battery.? Suddenly putting a non-battery load on it will provide a
> completely unregulated voltage on the load and the current will be all over
> the map.? It probably just won't work, or could damage the load depending
> on your car charger.
> >>>
> >>> A 12v supply, like used for Ham radio gear, etc. is designed to
> produce and hold a fixed REGULATED voltage and supply whatever current the
> load needs up to the rating of the power supply.? Totally different
> process.? When you hook a charger to a battery, the battery "regulates" or
> smooths out the (usually) modified sine wave voltage the load will see.
> >>>
> >>> So, I wouldn't don't it on my boat.? ?? Buy an inexpensive AGM Car or
> Lawn tractor battery, hook up a trickle charger and your bilge pump.? Or
> use your starting battery for this with a trickle charger/maintainer
> plugged in.
> >>>
> >>> My $.02
> >>> -Jeff Hare
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf
> Of Scott Westwood
> >>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 7:22 AM
> >>> To: Catalina List <c320-list at catalina320.com>
> >>> Subject: [C320-list] Looking to setup temporary 12v supply while
> batteries are removed?
> >>>
> >>> I want to remove my batteries and provide a "temporary" 12v supply
> only to run the bilge pump over the winter.
> >>> My batteries are dying. Plans are in the works to replace both LA with
> AGMs before spring.
> >>> Concern: Shore power charger cooking the last dying battery and
> releasing caustic fumes and possible fire?? The charger dried up (boiled)
> the other/second battery and the fumes were real bad.
> >>> I want to remove the last battery and shut off the battery charger and
> run a 12v power supply if/when the bilge pump would need to run.? Right now
> the bilge is dry and no water leaking in but you never know.
> >>> I have one of those rolling battery charger/starter for cars and I can
> maybe turn it on "always on" and leave it hooked up in place of the
> batteries???? As long as I have shore power then the boat would have 12v
> (if needed).? I am not near the boat now but it is a Jabsco pump in the
> port cabin seat near chart table. Can't be more than 5-8 amps??
> >>> High end related second question:? Is there a permanent? battery
> charger that can also provide emergency crank/starting current when
> connected to shore power - if batteries are dead?? I know you can have a
> dedicated start battery but it seems silly to not have the capacity to use
> shore power as an emergency start power.? Asking too much?? Overkill?
> Thanks, Scott Westwood scottwestwood at bellsouth.net H (919)-362-8538? ? C
> (919)-618-7185
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 09:58:48 -0700
> > From: mmellon at cruzio.com
> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Perkins M30 Lift Pump, or ....
> > Message-ID: <a36b487eb55a6ad3c8ab2fd289866b85 at cruzio.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> >
> > Mark, I have experienced air leakage problems with the Racor primary
> > filter priming pump. The seals on the piston pump can fail. Teflon
> > tape proved a temporary fix, but it needs to be replaced or rebuilt.
> > Until we discovered this problem, the engine (Westerbeke 30B) would
> > start momentarily but not run due to air in the fuel lines. And as
> > mentioned below, the electric fuel pump will not operate to clear the
> > air out if the oil pressure switch is indicating low pressure - the
> > solution to that is to have a separatel switch to activate the electric
> > fuel pump when needed.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > LaVida #324 1996
> >
> >> On 2018-10-28 04:26, Elizabeth Schwartz wrote:
> >>
> >> Ahoy.... Had similar issues on #245, with westerbeke......lift pump
> wired thru oil pressure switch...and thru key switch in glow plug on
> position......my fixes involved changing pressure switch on engine, and
> solenoid and electric breaker......good luck on Perkins......Joe
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 12:15 AM, Mark Seyler wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The Perkins M30 on my 1995 #232 has started stalling at idle, running
> rough up to around 1500rpm, and blowing light gray or white smoke out of
> the exhaust. My first thought was to change the Racor and secondary
> filters, but that didn't help. And when I was bleeding the system after
> changing the filters, it didn't seem as though the manual lever on the
> mechanical lift pump was moving as much fuel as I expected. (I used the
> piston pump on top of the racor instead.)
> >>> I'm wondering if the lift pump could be the source of the stalling and
> smoke. The engine starts quickly if I give it a little throttle, even after
> a stall. So I'm assuming it's not loss of compression from the valves or
> rings. Does anyone have any other suggestions about diagnosing the possible
> cause, or advice about changing the lift pump? I never had a Diesel engine
> until I bought my C320.
> >>> Mark Seyler
> >>> S/V Reality
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 10:13:26 -0700
> > From: Gene Helfman <genehelfman at gmail.com>
> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Windlass replacement
> > Message-ID:
> > <CAG63oPNhvb8NiCLutfzPSYyvTciG892tZ7iZz0zJuFvMwuzN1A at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > A year later after close to two months cruising and many, many ups and
> down
> > with the VW10 and I remain very happy with it's performance in all
> regards.
> > No problems of chain slippage on the gypsy. However I (and my back) are
> > regretting not doing the rope to chain splice because if we anchor in
> more
> > than 50 ft (which isn't unusual when cruising in B.C.) at some point you
> > are lifting in excess of 50 lbs while trying to switch from rope to chain
> > over the gypsy. Sounds simple but it's on a boat. We are seriously
> > thinking of biting the bullet and switching to all chain.
> >
> >> On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 8:36 AM Jeff Hare <Catalina at thehares.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I know this is an old thread, but I wonder if replacing the VC500 with
> the
> >> newer VW10 model would be close to a drop in replacement. It is
> specified
> >> for use in either vertical or horizontal positions.
> >>
> >> Specifically, I'm curious if the bolt holes and such are compatible.
> I'm
> >> sure Maxwell could answer those questions.
> >>
> >> Pat Tormey was wondering if anyone has upgraded their windlass controls
> >> for both power up & down?
> >>
> >> -Jeff Hare
> >> #809
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: C320-list <c320-list-bounces at lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of
> >> Doug Treff
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2017 9:58 AM
> >> To: c320-list at lists.catalina320.com
> >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Windlass replacement
> >>
> >> Thanks Chris - I'm really looking for a better arrangement, and I'd like
> >> something with a proper chain gypsy that can handle a rope-chain splice.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Doug Treff
> >> doug at treff.us
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017, at 09:42 AM, Chris Burti wrote:
> >>> Doug,
> >>> It sounds as if you may be decided on replacing the windlass for an
> >>> upgrade but if not , I offer a couple suggestions.
> >>> If the gears are not broken and problem is the motor, look at Karl
> >>> Mielenhausen?s article on maintenance of it, use that as guide to
> >>> remove the motor and then carry it to an alternator and starter repair
> >>> shop for a rebuild.
> >>> Second, if you cut off a couple of three inch sections of bicycle tube
> >>> and slip them over the drum, it will handle chain fairly well Best
> >>> Regards, Chris Burti
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Oct 4, 2017, at 8:23 AM, Doug Treff <doug at treff.us> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> All,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd like to hear from any of you who may have replaced their VC500
> >>>> windlass. Mine is done. It no longer works, and I'm replacing all my
> >>>> rode this year. Seems like a good time to revisit the windlass
> >>>> situation as well. I've read a lot about the Maxwell windlasses.
> >>>> Seems that this one is a vertical windlass mounted horizontally.
> >>>> I've considered replacing the windlass with another Maxwell VW
> >>>> series that has the chain gypsy but I have heard of problems with
> >>>> the chain jumping off the gypsy due to the small amount of engagement
> >> of the chain in the gypsy.
> >>>> If any of you have made the switch to another make and/or model of
> >>>> windlass, I'd love to hear what you found regarding usability,
> >>>> installation (what models will fit in the 320), etc...
> >>>> I'm a blank slate. Since my windlass does not handle chain, is
> >>>> broken, and the retrofit kit is discontinued, it's time to replace.
> >>>> Bonus points if you have pictures to share!
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Doug Treff
> >>>> 1996 - Hull 350 - September Song
> >>>> doug at treff.us
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Gene Helfman, Professor Emeritus
> > Odum School of Ecology, University of Georgia
> > PERMANENT address:
> > 498 Shoreland Dr., Lopez Is., WA 98261
> > (360) 468-2136
> > genehelfman at gmail.com
> >
> > *Zero tolerance is great for building airplanes but not for running
> > countries.*
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2018 17:50:18 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: <islgirl3 at aol.com>
> > To: c320-list at catalina320.com
> > Subject: [C320-list] Fresh Water System Winterizie
> > Message-ID: <1863743094.866036.1540835418094 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Can anyone explain the procedure for using compressed air to blow out
> fresh water system? Including water heater?
> > Thank You,
> > Rich Nuzzolo#897
> >
> >
> > End of C320-list Digest, Vol 3317, Issue 1
> > ******************************************
>
>
--
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PERMANENT address:
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