[C320-list] Water in the Bilge

Doug Treff doug at treff.us
Wed Jan 30 02:21:34 PST 2019


Check the bedding around the emergency tiller port.

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Doug Treff
doug at treff.us

On Tue, Jan 29, 2019, at 1:25 PM, pclaytor at tampabay.rr.com wrote:
> I too thought my water was coming from the mast and laid out paper
> towels around the mast and sides of the bilge. Nope! Seem the water is
> coming in from somewhere in the stern area. 
> Patricia #736 Knot HomeRiverview, FL
> 
> 	-----------------------------------------From: "Michael Leschisin" 
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Cc: 
> Sent: Monday January 28 2019 4:47:23PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Water in the Bilge
> 
> Thanks Graeme,
> 
>  I’ll have to give the boat a good testing this spring and see if I
> have water entering from any of those areas. I like Jack’s idea of
> using the chalk. (That sounds like a good plan of action.Thanks Jack)
> 
>  The reason I’m kind of obsessing over the mast base is that I had
> about a quart and a half of solid ice only in the forward of the three
> bilge compartments, none in the other compartments, no ice under the
> floorboards on the edges of the bilge. The ice was frozen above the
> antifreeze, not mixed with it, as though water had come slowly into
> the front of the bilge and froze on contact with the antifreeze that
> would have been below 32 degrees at the time. Don’t know if thats
> right, but the only explanation I can come up with for a pretty weird
> ice set…… 
> 
>  Not sure which is more fun, chasing water leaks or chasing electrical
> shorts!
> 
>  Michael
> 
>  Michael Leschisin
>  #995, Wild Blue Yonder
>  Menominee, MI
> 
>  > On Jan 28, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Graeme Clark  wrote:
>  > 
>  > Disassembled mast step photos are available on the main site under
> technical photos here (see Mast Step Project)
>  > 
>  > https://c320.org/mediagallery/album.php?aid=4&sort=0&page=8
>  /> > 
>  > I would bet $10 to 10c that your bilge water isn't coming through
> the mast step at all though but arriving between the hull and the
> liner through leaks at the base of the stanchions, pulpit, and
> pushpin.
>  > Also if the cockpit and lazaretto lockers get deluged and the
> gutters aren't kept clean water can overflow into the hull, as it also
> can through the joint of the hinge on the port cockpit locker.
>  > 
>  > How do i know? I completely waterproofed my mast-step when I
> replaced the standing rigging and I still get water in the bilge!
>  > 
>  > Graeme
>  > 1996, #366
>  > 
>  >> On 28 Jan 2019, at 21:00, John Meyers  wrote:
>  >> 
>  >> Michael,
>  >> 
>  >> It is cold here in Muskegon Michigan too but we can thank that big
> lake we
>  >> sail on to keep us several degrees warmer than those on the west
> side. On
>  >> the other hand we get a LOT of lake effect snow too.
>  >> 
>  >> I sort of remember (but cannot verify as I don't have water in my
> bilge
>  >> from the mast) that there may be a hole in the step that allows
> water to
>  >> drain out. But that hole may be plugged with goop or some sort.
> Use a wire
>  >> and poke around the step. If not maybe you could drill a very
> small hole in
>  >> the mast to drain the water onto the deck.
>  >> 
>  >> John Meyers
>  >> Wind Chime #406
>  >> Muskegon, MI
>  >> 
>  >> 
>  >> 
>  >> 
>  >> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 10:11 AM Michael Leschisin <
>  >> mleschisin at imagestudios.com> wrote:
>  >> 
>  >>> Hey Guy,
>  >>> 
>  >>> Thanks for all the info regarding water in the bilge.
>  >>> 
>  >>> Just as a follow up to last week in case anyone is experiencing
> similar
>  >>> issues….I called Catalina technical services last week and
> their answer to
>  >>> my question about water entering the bilge through the mast base
> was that
>  >>> yes, there is a opening where the mast wiring enters the cabin
> top/mast
>  >>> base and runs through the compression post and into the bilge.
> They also
>  >>> said there is a two inch standpipe inside the mast on top of this
> hole to
>  >>> deter water from entering and that many dealers, when setting up
> the boat,
>  >>> will fill this with silicon to close it off. Apparently mine
> didn’t, so
>  >>> I’ll check that out next time I unstep the mast. Does anyone
> presently
>  >>> have their mast unstepped and are able to confirm this
> arraignment?
>  >>> 
>  >>> My guess is that I have water entering via the halyard openings
> as it runs
>  >>> down the mast, since I had ice blocked up primarily in the front
> of the
>  >>> bilge. I dug out about a gallon and a half of slushy somewhat
> diluted
>  >>> antifreeze from bilge in minus 10 degree weather this weekend and
> replaced
>  >>> it with fresh minus one hundred. We’re headed for a low of -23
> with a 50
>  >>> below windchill Wednesday night and then 38 degrees and a chance
> of rain
>  >>> again on Sunday! Guess I’ll see how many holes in the mast I
> can stop up
>  >>> on Saturday.
>  >>> 
>  >>> 
>  >>> Michael
>  >>> 
>  >>> Michael Leschisin
>  >>> #995, Wild Blue Yonder
>  >>> Menominee, MI
>  >>> 
>  >>> 
>  >>> 
>  >>> 
>  >>> 
>  >>>> On Jan 25, 2019, at 10:49 AM, Gerald Rouillard 
>  >>> wrote:
>  >>>> 
>  >>>> Mike,
>  >>>> After I replaced all my leaking portlights, I was able to dry
> out my
>  >>> bilge and get it painted. That helped me find what was still
> leaking, and
>  >>> I've pretty much pinned it down to the starboard stanchion that
> serves as
>  >>> the forward gate-post for the cockpit. Not a big leak, and it
> only shows
>  >>> up after a heavy rain - or wash job - so I know it's not below
> the
>  >>> waterline.
>  >>>> 
>  >>>> Interesting how long it took for me to realize my old standard,
> the salt
>  >>> water "taste test" didn't have any relevance for a boat sitting
> in fresh
>  >>> water!
>  >>>> 
>  >>>> Sailor Jerry,
>  >>>> Wind Song, #283
>  >>>> 
>  >>>> Sent from my iPad
>  >>>> 
>  >>>>> On Jan 24, 2019, at 3:29 PM, Joe Luciano  wrote:
>  >>>>> 
>  >>>>> I typically have a dry bilge on my 320, but I don’t think
> it’s likely
>  >>> that the mast wiring is bringing it in unless you see moisture
> right where
>  >>> the wiring comes in from above the deck. I’ve seen water get to
> the bilge
>  >>> from strange places on boats that I have owned. One method I’ve
> used to
>  >>> see where the water is coming from is to take pieces of paper
> towel and
>  >>> place them in areas above the low point in the bilge to get an
> idea of the
>  >>> direction the water is coming from. Then I try to trace it back
> to the
>  >>> source. You could have a leak through a stanchion connection to
> the deck,
>  >>> window, the chain plate areas, or elsewhere from plumbing. These
> can be
>  >>> very difficult to pinpoint with relatively small amounts of
> water. The
>  >>> other method when all else fails involves pressurizing the cabin
> slightly
>  >>> with air pressure and soaping various connections to look for
> bubbles on
>  >>> the outside of the deck. I’ve seen that done in a boat yard,
> but have
>  >>> never had to do it myself. Best of Luck!
>  >>>>> 
>  >>>>> Joe Luciano
>  >>>>> Second Wind
>  >>>>> 2005 Catalina 320
>  >>>>> Anacortes, WA
>  >>>>> 
>  >>>>>> On Jan 24, 2019, at 3:14 PM, Bob Hoyt  wrote:
>  >>>>>> 
>  >>>>>> I don’t see any after a rain storm but want to hear from
> others
>  >>>>>> Bob Hoyt
>  >>>>>> Ikigai
>  >>>>>> #58
>  >>>>>> Pensacola Fl
>  >>>>>> 
>  >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 4:43 PM Michael Leschisin <
>  >>>>>> mleschisin at imagestudios.com> wrote:
>  >>>>>> 
>  >>>>>>> For anyone who’s willing to provide some feedback,
>  >>>>>>> 
>  >>>>>>> I’m wondering how much water is normal to find in the bilge
> following
>  >>> a
>  >>>>>>> good rainstorm. My wife and I purchased our 320 a little over
> a year
>  >>> ago
>  >>>>>>> and I typically find about a pint or two of water in the
> bilge after a
>  >>>>>>> healthy rainstorm. I’m guessing this is normal and coming
> in via the
>  >>> mast
>  >>>>>>> and compression post since there seems to be a drain hole in
> the
>  >>> bilge just
>  >>>>>>> under the compression post base near where the mast and radar
> wiring
>  >>> exits
>  >>>>>>> the post.
>  >>>>>>> 
>  >>>>>>> Earlier this week I went up to the boat, which is on the hard
> for the
>  >>>>>>> winter, and much to my horror, found about a quart and a half
> of
>  >>> frozen
>  >>>>>>> water in the front of the three bilge compartments. (But only
> in the
>  >>>>>>> forward compartment) Fortunately, the water floated above the
> -100
>  >>>>>>> antifreeze I had in the bilge before it froze, so none of the
> keel
>  >>> bolts or
>  >>>>>>> the pump were affected, but scary none the less. We had a
> fair
>  >>> amount of
>  >>>>>>> rain this fall and even in early January, but this seems like
> a lot of
>  >>>>>>> water, especially for a boat that is under a winter cover
> with no way
>  >>> for
>  >>>>>>> water to hit the decks, cockpit, port lights, hatches, etc.
>  >>>>>>> 
>  >>>>>>> I’m wondering if this amount is a normal compilation of
> this season’s
>  >>>>>>> rainfall or if I need to trouble shoot some other problem.
>  >>>>>>> 
>  >>>>>>> 
>  >>>>>>> Thanks for the help,
>  >>>>>>> 
>  >>>>>>> 
>  >>>>>>> 
>  >>>>>>> Michael Leschisin
>  >>>>>>> #995, Wild Blue Yonder
>  >>>>>>> Menominee, MI
>  >>>>>>> 
>  >>>>>>> --
>  >>>>>> 
>  >>>>>> *Robert (Bob) Hoyt MD FACP*
>  >>>>>> 
>  >>>>>> *CAPT (Ret) USN*
>  >>>>>> 
>  >>>>>> *Associate Clinical Professor, Department of Internal
> Medicine*
>  >>>>>> 
>  >>>>>> *Virginia Commonwealth University*
>  >>>>>> 
>  >>>>>> *Richmond, VA*
>  >>>>>> 
>  >>>>>> 
>  >>>
> *---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*
>  >>>>>> 
>  >>>>>> *Adjunct Associate Professor, College of Allied Health
> Professions*
>  >>>>>> 
>  >>>>>> *University of Nebraska Medical Center*
>  >>>>>> 
>  >>>>>> *Omaha, NE*
>  >>>>>> 
>  >>>>>> *Diplomate, Clinical Informatics*
>  >>>>>> 
>  >>>>>> InformaticsEducation.org >>>>> rehoyt at gmail.com
>  >>>>>> 
>  >>>>>> robert.hoyt at unmc.edu 
>  >>>>>> 
>  >>>>>> Cell: 850-384-5235
>  >>>>> 
>  >>>> 
>  >>> 
>  >>> 
>  > 
> 
>  
> 
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