[C320-list] Water in the Bilge
Doug Treff
doug at treff.us
Wed Jan 30 02:21:34 PST 2019
Check the bedding around the emergency tiller port.
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Doug Treff
doug at treff.us
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019, at 1:25 PM, pclaytor at tampabay.rr.com wrote:
> I too thought my water was coming from the mast and laid out paper
> towels around the mast and sides of the bilge. Nope! Seem the water is
> coming in from somewhere in the stern area.
> Patricia #736 Knot HomeRiverview, FL
>
> -----------------------------------------From: "Michael Leschisin"
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Cc:
> Sent: Monday January 28 2019 4:47:23PM
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Water in the Bilge
>
> Thanks Graeme,
>
> I’ll have to give the boat a good testing this spring and see if I
> have water entering from any of those areas. I like Jack’s idea of
> using the chalk. (That sounds like a good plan of action.Thanks Jack)
>
> The reason I’m kind of obsessing over the mast base is that I had
> about a quart and a half of solid ice only in the forward of the three
> bilge compartments, none in the other compartments, no ice under the
> floorboards on the edges of the bilge. The ice was frozen above the
> antifreeze, not mixed with it, as though water had come slowly into
> the front of the bilge and froze on contact with the antifreeze that
> would have been below 32 degrees at the time. Don’t know if thats
> right, but the only explanation I can come up with for a pretty weird
> ice set……
>
> Not sure which is more fun, chasing water leaks or chasing electrical
> shorts!
>
> Michael
>
> Michael Leschisin
> #995, Wild Blue Yonder
> Menominee, MI
>
> > On Jan 28, 2019, at 3:11 PM, Graeme Clark wrote:
> >
> > Disassembled mast step photos are available on the main site under
> technical photos here (see Mast Step Project)
> >
> > https://c320.org/mediagallery/album.php?aid=4&sort=0&page=8
> /> >
> > I would bet $10 to 10c that your bilge water isn't coming through
> the mast step at all though but arriving between the hull and the
> liner through leaks at the base of the stanchions, pulpit, and
> pushpin.
> > Also if the cockpit and lazaretto lockers get deluged and the
> gutters aren't kept clean water can overflow into the hull, as it also
> can through the joint of the hinge on the port cockpit locker.
> >
> > How do i know? I completely waterproofed my mast-step when I
> replaced the standing rigging and I still get water in the bilge!
> >
> > Graeme
> > 1996, #366
> >
> >> On 28 Jan 2019, at 21:00, John Meyers wrote:
> >>
> >> Michael,
> >>
> >> It is cold here in Muskegon Michigan too but we can thank that big
> lake we
> >> sail on to keep us several degrees warmer than those on the west
> side. On
> >> the other hand we get a LOT of lake effect snow too.
> >>
> >> I sort of remember (but cannot verify as I don't have water in my
> bilge
> >> from the mast) that there may be a hole in the step that allows
> water to
> >> drain out. But that hole may be plugged with goop or some sort.
> Use a wire
> >> and poke around the step. If not maybe you could drill a very
> small hole in
> >> the mast to drain the water onto the deck.
> >>
> >> John Meyers
> >> Wind Chime #406
> >> Muskegon, MI
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 10:11 AM Michael Leschisin <
> >> mleschisin at imagestudios.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hey Guy,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for all the info regarding water in the bilge.
> >>>
> >>> Just as a follow up to last week in case anyone is experiencing
> similar
> >>> issues….I called Catalina technical services last week and
> their answer to
> >>> my question about water entering the bilge through the mast base
> was that
> >>> yes, there is a opening where the mast wiring enters the cabin
> top/mast
> >>> base and runs through the compression post and into the bilge.
> They also
> >>> said there is a two inch standpipe inside the mast on top of this
> hole to
> >>> deter water from entering and that many dealers, when setting up
> the boat,
> >>> will fill this with silicon to close it off. Apparently mine
> didn’t, so
> >>> I’ll check that out next time I unstep the mast. Does anyone
> presently
> >>> have their mast unstepped and are able to confirm this
> arraignment?
> >>>
> >>> My guess is that I have water entering via the halyard openings
> as it runs
> >>> down the mast, since I had ice blocked up primarily in the front
> of the
> >>> bilge. I dug out about a gallon and a half of slushy somewhat
> diluted
> >>> antifreeze from bilge in minus 10 degree weather this weekend and
> replaced
> >>> it with fresh minus one hundred. We’re headed for a low of -23
> with a 50
> >>> below windchill Wednesday night and then 38 degrees and a chance
> of rain
> >>> again on Sunday! Guess I’ll see how many holes in the mast I
> can stop up
> >>> on Saturday.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Michael
> >>>
> >>> Michael Leschisin
> >>> #995, Wild Blue Yonder
> >>> Menominee, MI
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Jan 25, 2019, at 10:49 AM, Gerald Rouillard
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike,
> >>>> After I replaced all my leaking portlights, I was able to dry
> out my
> >>> bilge and get it painted. That helped me find what was still
> leaking, and
> >>> I've pretty much pinned it down to the starboard stanchion that
> serves as
> >>> the forward gate-post for the cockpit. Not a big leak, and it
> only shows
> >>> up after a heavy rain - or wash job - so I know it's not below
> the
> >>> waterline.
> >>>>
> >>>> Interesting how long it took for me to realize my old standard,
> the salt
> >>> water "taste test" didn't have any relevance for a boat sitting
> in fresh
> >>> water!
> >>>>
> >>>> Sailor Jerry,
> >>>> Wind Song, #283
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jan 24, 2019, at 3:29 PM, Joe Luciano wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I typically have a dry bilge on my 320, but I don’t think
> it’s likely
> >>> that the mast wiring is bringing it in unless you see moisture
> right where
> >>> the wiring comes in from above the deck. I’ve seen water get to
> the bilge
> >>> from strange places on boats that I have owned. One method I’ve
> used to
> >>> see where the water is coming from is to take pieces of paper
> towel and
> >>> place them in areas above the low point in the bilge to get an
> idea of the
> >>> direction the water is coming from. Then I try to trace it back
> to the
> >>> source. You could have a leak through a stanchion connection to
> the deck,
> >>> window, the chain plate areas, or elsewhere from plumbing. These
> can be
> >>> very difficult to pinpoint with relatively small amounts of
> water. The
> >>> other method when all else fails involves pressurizing the cabin
> slightly
> >>> with air pressure and soaping various connections to look for
> bubbles on
> >>> the outside of the deck. I’ve seen that done in a boat yard,
> but have
> >>> never had to do it myself. Best of Luck!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Joe Luciano
> >>>>> Second Wind
> >>>>> 2005 Catalina 320
> >>>>> Anacortes, WA
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jan 24, 2019, at 3:14 PM, Bob Hoyt wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don’t see any after a rain storm but want to hear from
> others
> >>>>>> Bob Hoyt
> >>>>>> Ikigai
> >>>>>> #58
> >>>>>> Pensacola Fl
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 4:43 PM Michael Leschisin <
> >>>>>> mleschisin at imagestudios.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> For anyone who’s willing to provide some feedback,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I’m wondering how much water is normal to find in the bilge
> following
> >>> a
> >>>>>>> good rainstorm. My wife and I purchased our 320 a little over
> a year
> >>> ago
> >>>>>>> and I typically find about a pint or two of water in the
> bilge after a
> >>>>>>> healthy rainstorm. I’m guessing this is normal and coming
> in via the
> >>> mast
> >>>>>>> and compression post since there seems to be a drain hole in
> the
> >>> bilge just
> >>>>>>> under the compression post base near where the mast and radar
> wiring
> >>> exits
> >>>>>>> the post.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Earlier this week I went up to the boat, which is on the hard
> for the
> >>>>>>> winter, and much to my horror, found about a quart and a half
> of
> >>> frozen
> >>>>>>> water in the front of the three bilge compartments. (But only
> in the
> >>>>>>> forward compartment) Fortunately, the water floated above the
> -100
> >>>>>>> antifreeze I had in the bilge before it froze, so none of the
> keel
> >>> bolts or
> >>>>>>> the pump were affected, but scary none the less. We had a
> fair
> >>> amount of
> >>>>>>> rain this fall and even in early January, but this seems like
> a lot of
> >>>>>>> water, especially for a boat that is under a winter cover
> with no way
> >>> for
> >>>>>>> water to hit the decks, cockpit, port lights, hatches, etc.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I’m wondering if this amount is a normal compilation of
> this season’s
> >>>>>>> rainfall or if I need to trouble shoot some other problem.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks for the help,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Michael Leschisin
> >>>>>>> #995, Wild Blue Yonder
> >>>>>>> Menominee, MI
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *Robert (Bob) Hoyt MD FACP*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *CAPT (Ret) USN*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *Associate Clinical Professor, Department of Internal
> Medicine*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *Virginia Commonwealth University*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *Richmond, VA*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>
> *---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *Adjunct Associate Professor, College of Allied Health
> Professions*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *University of Nebraska Medical Center*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *Omaha, NE*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> *Diplomate, Clinical Informatics*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> InformaticsEducation.org >>>>> rehoyt at gmail.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> robert.hoyt at unmc.edu
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cell: 850-384-5235
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>
>
>
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