[C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 3704, Issue 2

Sat Apr 25 07:49:33 PDT 2020

One thing to be aware of when using the Jiggler Siphon Hose is that the
container one is draining *from *must be higher than the container one is
draining *to*.  For the purpose we wanted this for, that was a
showstopper.  Otherwise, it's a super gadget - no sucking to get the flow
started!

Allan S. Field
Sea Shadow - C387 (formerly C320)
Columbia, MD

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 6:01 PM <upwego at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> You may want to check this device out.  I attended a seminar last December
> at the St Pete Boat Show and the speaker has a website with a variety of
> interesting gear and information for cruising sailors.  One of the items he
> mentions is a device called a Jiggler Siphon Hose. I bought two, one for
> fuel and one for water.  His website is: thebookofsail.com.
>
>
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>
> Jack F
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>   1. Re: Fuel Tank Replacement (John morrison)
>   2. Re: Fuel Tank Replacement (Jack Brennan)
>   3. Re: Fuel Tank Replacement (John morrison)
>   4. Re: Fuel Tank Replacement (Pat Tormey)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:10:51 -0400
> From: John morrison <sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fuel Tank Replacement
> Message-ID: <B0D10749-37B7-4F3A-9AC8-0FAB80CA4A59 at sympatico.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I can?t imagine what an experienced seaman would be doing refuelling in
> 4foot seas, unless in the middle of the Atlantic. The 24gal tank in the
> 320?s will take you a very long way. I?ve witnessed more than one emergency
> call on Lake Ontario ?I?m out of gas?!. The rule of thumb for fuel on boats
> is, 1/3 out, 1/3 back, 1/3 reserve. I?ve never refuelled away from a dock.
> My position anyways.
> JohnM
> 1999#574
> > On Apr 24, 2020, at 8:27 AM, Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > I use an aircraft filter funnel, to keep dirt and water out of the tank,
> in addition to a siphon hose.
> >
> > A siphon hose is much, much easier than wielding a 40-pound diesel
> container in four-foot seas when you?re trying to refuel. You hold the
> filter with one hand and the siphon hose in the other. If you need to,
> strap the container to the stern seat.
> >
> > The filter holds an ounce or two of diesel/water/dirt in the bottom when
> filling is done. A disposable shop rag at the funnel bottom will keep it
> from dripping out. I pour it back in the container and, every once in a
> while, properly dispose of the dregs.
> >
> > Siphoning is very, very easy once you get the hang of it. Someone who is
> squeamish can use a paper towel around the hose to protect their lips.
> >
> > Jack Brennan
> > Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
> > Tierra Verde, Fl.
> > Dolphin Cruising Club of Tampa Bay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> >
> > From: Dennis Cookson
> > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 4:45 AM
> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fuel Tank Replacement
> >
> > Err - what's wrong with using a funnel? No sucking required!
> >
> > Dennis Cookson
> > #577
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On 23 Apr 2020, at 19:45, Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?I do it all the time! I fill my tank by placing a five-gallon diesel
> jug on the stern rail seat and siphoning the diesel into the tank.
> >>
> >> The trick is to have a long hose. That way, you can get your mouth off
> it when the diesel is hallway through. It only takes one mouthful to learn ?
> >>
> >> Jack Brennan
> >> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
> >> Tierra Verde, Fl.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 13:03:34 -0400
> From: Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fuel Tank Replacement
> Message-ID:
>     <
> mailman.2.1587758481.31156.c320-list-catalina320.com at lists.catalina320.com
> >
>
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>
> Hi John:
>
> If you ever do any long-distance sailing off the Florida coast, you will
> have to refuel at sea. Going to a fuel dock on the Intracoastal adds hours
> to your trip.
>
> An average sea along the east coast of Florida, where I sailed for many
> years, is two to five feet. This is because the Gulfstream runs only a few
> miles from shore.
>
> Anyone who ventures far from home will eventually encounter eight- to
> 10-foot seas, as I have with a Bristol 30,  because inlets are far apart
> and treacherous to run in bad weather. You don?t have any choice but to
> carry on to a major port when the weather unexpectedly turns bad.
>
> Now we live on the west coast of Florida. We do a fair amount of multi-day
> or multi-week sailing that can entail refueling underway, especially when
> the sailing gods discover where we are going and shift the wind directly
> onto our nose.
>
> When the wind kicks up into the 20s in the Gulf of Mexico and through the
> Keys, you get two- to four-foot seas much closer together, which arguably
> can be more stomach-churning than the larger waves along the east coast for
> a flat-bottomed sailboat such as the 320.
>
> The good news is that the 320 handles fairly well in bad conditions,
> except when you motor into a strong wind directly on your nose. Last year,
> heading from Key West to Boot Key Harbor, unexpected four-foot-seas almost
> stopped us dead. We were doing two knots wide open trying to get to the
> next harbor.
>
> Jack Brennan
> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
> Tierra Verde, Fl.
> Dolphin Cruising Club of Tampa Bay
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: John morrison
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 12:11 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fuel Tank Replacement
>
> I can?t imagine what an experienced seaman would be doing refuelling in
> 4foot seas, unless in the middle of the Atlantic. The 24gal tank in the
> 320?s will take you a very long way. I?ve witnessed more than one emergency
> call on Lake Ontario ?I?m out of gas?!. The rule of thumb for fuel on boats
> is, 1/3 out, 1/3 back, 1/3 reserve. I?ve never refuelled away from a dock.
> My position anyways.
> JohnM
> 1999#574
> > On Apr 24, 2020, at 8:27 AM, Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > I use an aircraft filter funnel, to keep dirt and water out of the tank,
> in addition to a siphon hose.
> >
> > A siphon hose is much, much easier than wielding a 40-pound diesel
> container in four-foot seas when you?re trying to refuel. You hold the
> filter with one hand and the siphon hose in the other. If you need to,
> strap the container to the stern seat.
> >
> > The filter holds an ounce or two of diesel/water/dirt in the bottom when
> filling is done. A disposable shop rag at the funnel bottom will keep it
> from dripping out. I pour it back in the container and, every once in a
> while, properly dispose of the dregs.
> >
> > Siphoning is very, very easy once you get the hang of it. Someone who is
> squeamish can use a paper towel around the hose to protect their lips.
> >
> > Jack Brennan
> > Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
> > Tierra Verde, Fl.
> > Dolphin Cruising Club of Tampa Bay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> >
> > From: Dennis Cookson
> > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 4:45 AM
> > To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fuel Tank Replacement
> >
> > Err - what's wrong with using a funnel? No sucking required!
> >
> > Dennis Cookson
> > #577
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On 23 Apr 2020, at 19:45, Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?I do it all the time! I fill my tank by placing a five-gallon diesel
> jug on the stern rail seat and siphoning the diesel into the tank.
> >>
> >> The trick is to have a long hose. That way, you can get your mouth off
> it when the diesel is hallway through. It only takes one mouthful to learn ?
> >>
> >> Jack Brennan
> >> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
> >> Tierra Verde, Fl.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 13:17:02 -0400
> From: John morrison <sail-ability at sympatico.ca>
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fuel Tank Replacement
> Message-ID: <6DFB6391-25AE-487E-90B3-E6BE02454176 at sympatico.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> So I guess ?local knowledge? as you?ve so clearly indicated, is also an
> important factor in route planning. I crewed on a sailboat  from Nova
> Scotia down the Eastern Seaboard and up to Oswego (36? C&C), we only
> refuelled once at sea, in the Gulf of Maine, flat calm.
> JohnM
> 1999#574
> > On Apr 24, 2020, at 1:03 PM, Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi John:
> >
> > If you ever do any long-distance sailing off the Florida coast, you will
> have to refuel at sea. Going to a fuel dock on the Intracoastal adds hours
> to your trip.
> >
> > An average sea along the east coast of Florida, where I sailed for many
> years, is two to five feet. This is because the Gulfstream runs only a few
> miles from shore.
> >
> > Anyone who ventures far from home will eventually encounter eight- to
> 10-foot seas, as I have with a Bristol 30,  because inlets are far apart
> and treacherous to run in bad weather. You don?t have any choice but to
> carry on to a major port when the weather unexpectedly turns bad.
> >
> > Now we live on the west coast of Florida. We do a fair amount of
> multi-day or multi-week sailing that can entail refueling underway,
> especially when the sailing gods discover where we are going and shift the
> wind directly onto our nose.
> >
> > When the wind kicks up into the 20s in the Gulf of Mexico and through
> the Keys, you get two- to four-foot seas much closer together, which
> arguably can be more stomach-churning than the larger waves along the east
> coast for a flat-bottomed sailboat such as the 320.
> >
> > The good news is that the 320 handles fairly well in bad conditions,
> except when you motor into a strong wind directly on your nose. Last year,
> heading from Key West to Boot Key Harbor, unexpected four-foot-seas almost
> stopped us dead. We were doing two knots wide open trying to get to the
> next harbor.
> >
> > Jack Brennan
> > Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
> > Tierra Verde, Fl.
> > Dolphin Cruising Club of Tampa Bay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> >
> > From: John morrison
> > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 12:11 PM
> > To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> > Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fuel Tank Replacement
> >
> > I can?t imagine what an experienced seaman would be doing refuelling in
> 4foot seas, unless in the middle of the Atlantic. The 24gal tank in the
> 320?s will take you a very long way. I?ve witnessed more than one emergency
> call on Lake Ontario ?I?m out of gas?!. The rule of thumb for fuel on boats
> is, 1/3 out, 1/3 back, 1/3 reserve. I?ve never refuelled away from a dock.
> My position anyways.
> > JohnM
> > 1999#574
> >> On Apr 24, 2020, at 8:27 AM, Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I use an aircraft filter funnel, to keep dirt and water out of the
> tank, in addition to a siphon hose.
> >>
> >> A siphon hose is much, much easier than wielding a 40-pound diesel
> container in four-foot seas when you?re trying to refuel. You hold the
> filter with one hand and the siphon hose in the other. If you need to,
> strap the container to the stern seat.
> >>
> >> The filter holds an ounce or two of diesel/water/dirt in the bottom
> when filling is done. A disposable shop rag at the funnel bottom will keep
> it from dripping out. I pour it back in the container and, every once in a
> while, properly dispose of the dregs.
> >>
> >> Siphoning is very, very easy once you get the hang of it. Someone who
> is squeamish can use a paper towel around the hose to protect their lips.
> >>
> >> Jack Brennan
> >> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
> >> Tierra Verde, Fl.
> >> Dolphin Cruising Club of Tampa Bay
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> >>
> >> From: Dennis Cookson
> >> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 4:45 AM
> >> To: C320-List at catalina320.com
> >> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fuel Tank Replacement
> >>
> >> Err - what's wrong with using a funnel? No sucking required!
> >>
> >> Dennis Cookson
> >> #577
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On 23 Apr 2020, at 19:45, Jack Brennan <jackbrennan at bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?I do it all the time! I fill my tank by placing a five-gallon diesel
> jug on the stern rail seat and siphoning the diesel into the tank.
> >>>
> >>> The trick is to have a long hose. That way, you can get your mouth off
> it when the diesel is hallway through. It only takes one mouthful to learn ?
> >>>
> >>> Jack Brennan
> >>> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
> >>> Tierra Verde, Fl.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 14:24:30 -0400
> From: Pat Tormey <ptormey at 4square.net>
> To: "C320-List at Catalina320.com" <C320-List at Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fuel Tank Replacement
> Message-ID:
>     <
> mailman.3.1587758481.31156.c320-list-catalina320.com at lists.catalina320.com
> >
>
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>
> > I can?t imagine what an experienced seaman would be doing refuelling in
> 4foot seas
>
> I?m not sure I?d deliberately refuel in 4? seas but IF I had to I?d
> definitely need the shaker siphon.
>
> When I sail Newport to Solomon MD I have 4 5 gal jerry cans on deck and
> full tank. I always use the one over the fuel filer first and rotate the
> next one into place.  I top off everything each refueling.
>
> It gives me the freedom to decide when to refuel without having to plan
> stops just for fuel. There is a long run between Sandy Hook NJ and Cape May
> with no place to refuel except Atlantic City. (Anybody know anything on the
> Jersey coast?)
>
> Of course, I don?t motor the whole way so many times it?s just a
> precaution, but when I?ve promised the crew a great meal in a favorite town
> I don?t wanna stop short.
>
>
> Pat
>
> Pat Tormey
> s/v Blue Skies
>
> From: John morrison
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 12:11 PM
> To: C320-List at Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fuel Tank Replacement
>
> I can?t imagine what an experienced seaman would be doing refuelling in
> 4foot seas, unless in the middle of the Atlantic. The 24gal
>
>
>
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